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As the CEO of Kit, Nathan Barry has a front row seat to what’s working in the most successful creator businesses. On The Nathan Barry Show, he interviews top creators and dives into the inner workings of their businesses in his live coaching sessions. You get unique insight into how creator businesses work and what you can do to increase results in your own business. One of the things Nathan is passionate about is helping you create leverage. Creator Flywheels let you create many copies of yourself so you don’t get bogged down with the little things in your business. Flywheels will help you reach a place where you can focus on revenue instead of busywork. Tune in weekly for new episodes with ideas and tips for growing your business. You’ll hear discussions around building an audience, earning a living as a creator, and Nathan’s insights on scaling a software company to $100M. Learn how to get more results with less effort and: Grow faster over time. Work less hard over time. Make more money over time.

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September 10, 2026Episode 1451 hr 17 min

$100M YouTube Lawyer Reveals How to Protect Your Channel in 2026 | Tyler Chou | 145

What does it take to turn a YouTube channel into a valuable, sellable business? That's what I wanted to explore with this week’s guest, Tyler Chou (aka The Creators' Attorney). Having spent 20 years as an entertainment attorney at giants like Disney and BuzzFeed, Tyler now represents some of YouTube's biggest channels, helping them navigate exits and build sustainable enterprises. In this episode, Tyler pulls back the curtain on the legal mistakes creators often make, the crucial steps to take to protect your assets, and why sometimes, a creator doesn't need to sell at all - they just need a sabbatical. Tyler shares insights on how to build a business that can eventually sell for 8 or 9 figures, and what investors are really looking for beyond just views. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:09 Private equity looks to buy YouTube channels 03:52 Creator burnout 04:52 Protecting your IP and avoiding mistakes 08:20 Diversifying revenue beyond AdSense and brand deals 10:43 Avoiding misclassification lawsuits 12:46 The problem with reaction channels 17:45 Why buyers love recurring revenue and technical products 23:11 The power of artificial scarcity 28:20 How to make your brand less dependent on the creator 37:48 Should creators sell their business? 43:49 You might need a sabbatical, not an exit 45:00 How to protect yourself from predatory buyers 51:08 Hiring operators to run products 54:19 The power of angel investors on your cap table 56:29 The value of books for creators 1:11:08 Building a network of channels 1:14:10 Where to find Tyler If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://kit.com Follow Tyler: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheCreatorsAttorney LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thecreatorsattorney Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecreatorsattorney Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com Highlights: 01:38 - Why private equity is buying YouTube channels 07:50 - The power of building independent revenue streams 12:58 - Why reaction channels are worthless to buyers 38:00 - The surprising downsides of taking an exit 59:20 - The power of books for creator credibility

September 3, 2026Episode 1441 hr 18 min

How to ACTUALLY Sell a Creator Business | Pat Flynn & Liz Wilcox | 144

What does it actually take to sell a creator business? That’s what I wanted to get into with Pat Flynn and Liz Wilcox, who sat down with me to share some big news. After 18 years of building Smart Passive Income, Pat has officially sold the business - and Liz is the new owner. In this episode, Pat and Liz take us through the entire process, from why Pat decided it was time to let go, to how they valued and structured the deal, why Liz was the right person to take over, and how they planned the transition to make sure the audience felt supported. We also get into what makes a creator business sellable, including building systems, community, recurring revenue, and a brand that can thrive beyond its founder. If you're building a creator business and want to understand how to make it more valuable, transferable, and ultimately sellable, I think you'll get a lot out of this conversation. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:15 Pat's big announcement 02:48 Liz's journey to acquiring SPI 04:30 How SPI became a sellable business 06:27 Pat's massive success with Pokemon 08:21 The impact of SPI's community 10:47 Why Pat let go of SPI 12:38 Prioritizing community over profit 14:10 The financial aspects of the deal 16:15 The future of Smart Passive Income: Team WIN 18:30 What makes a business sellable 20:00 Merging Liz's brand into SPI 21:23 10x is easier than 2x 22:50 The challenge of selling a personal brand 24:50 The intentional transition process If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://kit.com Follow Pat: X: https://twitter.com/PatFlynn Website: https://patflynn.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@patflynn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patflynn Follow Liz: Website: https://www.lizwilcox.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thelizwilcox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liz-wilcox-58740b1b0 Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com Smart Passive Income: https://www.smartpassiveincome.com Built to Sell: https://builtosell.com Will It Fly?: https://patflynn.com/book/will-it-fly The Virtual Campground: https://thevirtualcampground.com Highlights: 01:15 - The big announcement 07:12 - Liz's personal mission for SPI 14:32 - The Pokémon channel's incredible growth 25:27 - The profound impact of communities 35:40 - Negotiating and structuring a business sale

August 27, 2026Episode 14359 min

How the Author of Atomic Habits ACTUALLY Makes Money | James Clear | 143

When James Clear last spoke on the Craft & Commerce stage, Atomic Habits hadn't even been released. Now, it's sold over 30 million copies worldwide. I was delighted to welcome James back to the same stage 8 years later to unpack what he’s learned from creating one of the bestselling books of the last decade. In this conversation, James shares his insights on how to create a timeless product, how he built an email list of over 4 million subscribers, and the revolutionary publishing model he’s building with Authors Equity. James also answers burning questions from the audience on simplifying complex ideas, building lasting entrepreneurial friendships, protecting your identity as a creator in public, and James’s personal mission in life. If you’ve ever wondered what goes into creating a bestselling book, I think you’ll get a lot out of this episode. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:07 Expectations for Atomic Habits' success 02:54 Selling 30M+ copies 04:48 Timeless marketing principles 07:18 Positioning for long-term book sales 09:39 Building the world's largest single-author newsletter 12:44 Current effective growth tactics 14:01 Cross-pollinating platforms for growth 16:51 The vision behind Authors Equity 20:51 The Atomic Habits tipping point 23:09 Why books are an underrated business model 24:48 Simplifying complex ideas 27:54 Cultivating lasting entrepreneur friendships 31:33 Protecting your identity as a public creator 35:30 Why choose traditional publishing over self-publishing? 39:17 Mining for stories and metaphors 43:24 What makes Authors Equity different? 48:50 Daily habits for rebuilding momentum 51:50 James’s life mission 54:24 Authors Equity: working with self-published authors 58:05 James's parting thoughts: 10-year and 1-hour timeframes If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://kit.com Follow James: Website: https://jamesclear.com Newsletter: https://jamesclear.com/3-2-1 X: https://twitter.com/jamesclear LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesclear Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jamesclear Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com Atomic Habits: https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habits Authors Equity: https://www.authorsequity.com Highlights: 02:10 - James's initial expectations for Atomic Habits 09:39 - How James built the world's largest single-author newsletter 23:09 - Why books are an underrated business model 48:50 - James’s daily habits for rebuilding momentum 51:50 - James’s life mission

August 20, 2026Episode 14253 min

How to Turn Your Creator Business Into an Empire | Ben Greenfield | 142

Many creators dream of building an empire, but how many actually pull it off while still making time for family and personal passions? That's what I wanted to dig into with Ben Greenfield. He’s been podcasting since 2008 and has built a massive personal brand around health and wellness. But what really fascinated me is how he's leveraged that brand to launch not just one, but two other businesses that are scaling to entirely different levels: a supplements company and a revolutionary health tech platform. I sat down with Ben to break down his entire revenue pie, his strategies for growing multiple companies, and how he keeps his personal brand from becoming the bottleneck in his rapidly expanding empire. If you've built a creator business and are wondering what it would take to turn it into something much bigger, I think you'll get a lot from this episode. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:12 The early days of podcasting 03:00 Early revenue and online ventures 04:15 The lightbulb moment: Scaling IP online 05:59 Mapping out Ben Greenfield Life revenue 06:33 Audience and platform scale 07:31 Podcast revenue breakdown 09:18 Coaching and its growth potential 11:03 Life Network and Life Market 12:16 Total personal brand revenue breakdown 13:19 Integrated ad packages and whitelisting 16:09 Affiliate revenue and long-term partnerships 17:27 Team structure for Ben Greenfield Life 20:29 Lessons for scaling content businesses 22:45 Lifestyle design and work-life balance 23:52 Launching Kion 28:44 Disentangling personal brand from Kion 31:32 Leveraging brand for launch, then scaling independently 35:44 The new venture 39:55 Life OS's rapid growth and scale 42:47 The power of recurring revenue models 44:31 Intentional scaling beyond personal brand 47:47 Building an empire vs. a lifestyle business 49:30 Ben's daily lifestyle and routine 52:16 Wrap-up and where to find Ben If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://kit.com Follow Ben: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bengreenfieldlife Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bengreenfieldfitness LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bengreenfield Website: https://bengreenfieldlife.com Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com Boundless: https://shopbengreenfieldlife.com/products/boundless-updated-revised Kion: https://getkion.com Highlights: 04:15 - The lightbulb moment: Scaling IP online 12:16 - Total personal brand revenue breakdown 20:29 - Lessons for scaling content businesses 31:29 - Don't let your brand be the bottleneck 47:47 - How to build both empire and lifestyle businesses

August 13, 2026Episode 1411 hr 10 min

The $10 Offer That Made $750,000 | Shawn Blanc | 141

I recently sat down with Shawn Blanc, a creator I've known for years, to talk about what it takes to keep reinventing yourself and your business over a long career. Shawn has spent the last 15 years building and evolving his business, from an ebook and sponsorships to his flagship Focus Course, masterminds, retreats, and eventually a completely new direction. In this episode we discuss what Shawn calls “the burden of opportunity”, how to decide which opportunities are worth pursuing, and what happens when you realize the thing holding your business back might actually be you. Shawn also shares how he knew it was time to move on from the business that had built his career, and how that decision ultimately led to one of the biggest breakthroughs his business has ever had. If you're building a creator business and thinking about what the next version of it should look like, you'll get a lot out of this conversation. Timestamps: 01:13 Early Days: From Apple Blogger to Product Creator 04:35 First Product Launch 13:00 The "Bling Ding": $100K in a Week 20:37 The Burden of Opportunity: How to Say No 30:00 Business Stagnation 35:45 The Power of Community 45:40 The Pivot 51:00 The Big Breakthrough 55:10 Biggest Lessons If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Follow Shawn: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shawnblanc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnblanc X: https://twitter.com/shawnblanc Website: https://shawnblanc.net Featured in this episode: The Focus Course: https://special.thefocuscourse.com Highlights: 20:37 The Burden of Opportunity: How to Say No 45:40 The Pivot 51:00 The Big Breakthrough

August 6, 2026Episode 1401 hr 1 min

$1M CEO: How to ACTUALLY Sell Online Courses in 2026 | Sam Vander Wielen | 140

Are online courses really dead? I recently sat down with attorney-turned-entrepreneur Sam Vander Wielen to discuss her latest course launch that generated over half a million dollars in just four days. In this episode, Sam shares the exact strategies she uses to consistently achieve massive success with her webinars and online courses, proving that these methods are far from "dead" in today's creator economy. We also discuss the power of personalized customer interactions, Sam’s genius email list strategy that keeps her audience engaged and growing, and how she tackles the challenges of AI while maintaining an authentic and profitable brand. If you have a course or are thinking of building one, you need to watch this entire episode. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction: Courses, Launches, & AI 01:20 Breaking Down a $500k Launch 02:49 Consistent Revenue Beyond Launches 04:48 Refilming with Kit Studios 06:17 Webinar Sign-ups & Email List Growth 14:00 The Weekly Lead Magnet Newsletter Strategy 20:30 The Unscalable Strategy: Personalized Videos 25:00 Unreasonable Hospitality & Handwritten Notes 31:00 The Impact of Podcasting on Business Growth 35:00 Order Bumps: Adding $100k to a Launch 36:00 AI and the Legal Industry 41:00 Financial Splurges: Cars & Property 44:00 Investing in Your Team If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://kit.com Follow Sam: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/samvanderwielen Website: https://www.samvanderwielen.com Podcast: https://www.samvanderwielen.com/podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samvanderwielen Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com Typeform: https://www.typeform.com Sam's book: https://www.samvanderwielen.com/book Highlights: 01:20 Breaking Down a $500k Launch 14:00 Newsletter Strategy 20:30 The Power of Personalized Videos

July 30, 2026Episode 1391 hr 10 min

Forget Courses, Launch This In 2026 To Double Your Revenue | Layla Pomper | 139

What does it take to build a $1.5M business with only a 20,000-person email list and a YouTube channel? I sat down with Layla Pomper, the founder of ProcessDriven, who has done exactly that. Layla built her business to 150,000 YouTube subscribers teaching small business owners how to systemize their operations. What I found particularly insightful was her journey from services to courses, and back to a hybrid model that's now allowed her to triple her income. She shares what she's seeing many creators miss, her unique approach to sales calls, and the "one weird trick" that made all the difference in her business. If you have a course or are thinking of building one, you need to watch this entire episode. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:16 Layla's revenue ceiling with courses 02:47 Layla's original course model 04:32 How Layla added services to break through the ceiling 06:45 Pricing model of Layla's services 08:15 Explanation of Layla's pricing structure 11:00 Layla's counterintuitive sales strategy 14:08 Key metrics Layla tracks in her business 17:13 Finding and fixing bottlenecks 20:44 The power of a small, engaged email list 23:19 Revenue per subscriber analysis 25:26 Simplifying complex business models 32:46 The best of products and services combined 40:15 Turning client questions into YouTube content 49:00 The value of customer conversations in services 57:24 The tailored productized service structure 1:01:36 Mistakes when adding services 1:03:07 The critical mistake of undercharging 1:04:09 Layla's lead generation strategy 1:07:08 YouTube content strategy and calls to action If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://kit.com Follow Layla: Website: https://www.processdriven.co YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LaylaPomper LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laylapomper Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com The Goal: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11128.The_Goal Built to Sell: https://builtosell.com SCORE: https://www.score.org Highlights: 01:29 – Breaking through the infamous revenue ceiling 12:07 – The powerful impact of listening in sales 30:30 – The circularity of business growth 43:10 – Creating content by answering real questions 55:18 – Giving customers what they actually want

July 23, 2026Episode 1381 hr 36 min

How To Stand Out as a Writer in the Age of AI (2026) | David Perell | 138

My conversation with David Perell, host of the "How I Write" podcast and a truly prolific creator, took my understanding to a whole new level. He's one of the few people who has consistently challenged my thinking on how we communicate ideas effectively. In this episode, I dove deep with David into critical questions like: Does writing still hold its weight in today's crowded digital landscape? What specific elements should creators prioritize to make their words resonate? And importantly, how do you stand out when everyone else is shouting? David shares his incredible insights into the craft of writing, the power of observation, and his unique philosophy on identifying and leveraging "currents" to amplify your message. This was easily one of my favorite conversations on the show. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:15 Obsessed with the Craft of Writing 02:45 The "Bit" as a Writing Concept 05:10 Why People Struggle with Writing 07:11 From Seeking Attention to Having Something to Say 10:40 The Discipline of Public Writing 13:58 Capturing and Curating Ideas 20:05 Riding Internet Currents 26:50 Identifying and Leveraging Currents 32:10 Tying Timeless Ideas to Timely Moments 39:15 Uncorrelated Sources of Inspiration 45:36 The "How I Write" Podcast 47:20 Production Value and Set Design 1:00:40 YouTube Growth and Packaging 1:04:40 The Guest Maximization Strategy 1:10:00 Creating "The Modern World" Series 1:16:00 The Modern Pollution of Man-Made Environment 1:19:30 Interplay of the Creator Economy and the Modern World 1:22:15 Creating the World You Want to Live In 1:29:26 Using Art and History to Hone Taste 1:34:00 The Soul-Stirring Work 1:35:40 Where to Find David If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://www.kit.com Follow David: X: https://twitter.com/david_perell Website: https://www.perell.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavidPerellChannel LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidperell Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com Modern World (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@TheModernWorld Building a Second Brain: https://www.buildingasecondbrain.com The Artist's Way: https://juliacameronlive.com/books/the-artists-way Highlights: 01:15 – The obsession with writing as a craft. 20:05 – Understanding and leveraging internet "currents" for content. 40:30 – Why consuming uncorrelated content elevates your work. 59:20 – The art of deep communication in interviewing. 1:29:26 – Cultivating taste by actively discerning what you love and hate.

July 16, 2026Episode 1371 hr 15 min

I Asked a Speaking Coach to Roast My Biggest Speech | Mike Pacchione | 137

I recently sat down with my speaking coach, Mike Pacchione, for this totally unprecedented episode where we dissect, minute by minute, my full keynote speech from this year's Craft + Commerce conference. We’re not holding anything back. Mike points out my flaws, celebrates my strengths, and reveals all the chaos that happens backstage that the audience never sees. If you've ever delivered a product launch, feared public speaking, or just want to understand the art of a compelling presentation, you'll learn so much from our candid conversation. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:03 Breaking Down the Keynote 02:22 The Chaos Before the Stage 04:02 The Missing Walk-Out Music 07:44 The "Be a Zero" Concept 09:47 Avoiding Speaker Voice 13:17 Building Tension and Specificity 19:19 The Stephen Colbert Joke 20:52 The Dad's Wisdom Story 28:16 The Challenge of Technical Terms 34:03 Debating Product Announcement Timing 40:35 The Elusive Applause Moment 48:29 Katie's Spotlighting an Audience Member 53:05 The Landing Page Humiliation Slide 01:01:00 The New York City Event Space Announcement 01:07:07 The Closing and Audience Reaction 01:12:00 Rehearsal Techniques and Speaker Notes If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://kit.com Follow Mike: Freebie: https://bestspeech.co/nathan Website: https://bestspeech.co LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpacchione Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mpacc X: https://x.com/mpacc Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com John Koenig - The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnkoenig The State Change Method - Wes Kao: https://weskao.com The Happiness Project - Gretchen Rubin: https://gretchenrubin.com/books/the-happiness-project Tim Urban TED Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/tim_urban_inside_the_mind_of_a_master_procrastinator Framer: https://www.framer.com Highlights: 01:03 – Mike critiques my keynote opening 11:50 – The secret behind my opening pause 25:06 – How real-world stories prove product value 31:09 – The unexpected success of a borrowed joke 53:10 – The power of a critical feedback slide

July 9, 2026Episode 13658 min

#1 Speaking Coach Explains How to Master Speaking (In Just 58 Minutes) | Mike Pacchione | 136

I've always brought Mike Pacchione in to coach every speaker at my Craft + Commerce conferences, including myself, because he has an uncanny ability to help people transform their talks from good to truly great. Mike's number one goal? For the audience to forget it's even a speech. In our conversation, Mike unpacks his framework for crafting compelling stories, why you should almost never tell them in chronological order, and his genius TED acronym for tension, editing for emotional impact, and the right details. He also shares invaluable insights on designing an ending that resonates and even how to strategically use humor (especially if you're not naturally funny). This episode is packed with lessons I've learned firsthand from Mike over the years. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 02:00 Making the audience forget it's a speech 04:06 Setting the room up for success 06:14 The power of stories in speeches 08:39 Story selection and placement 10:42 Why you don't need to tell stories in order 11:11 Mike's TED acronym for storytelling: Tension 14:55 Editing for emotional impact 20:02 Crafting an engaging middle of a speech 22:57 Asking questions to build tension 24:37 Describing people in vivid detail (loglines) 30:48 Crafting a powerful ending 33:09 The "one more thing" strategy 40:07 Controlling the emotional arc of a talk 40:50 Using humor effectively 44:09 The power of awkward silence and tension 45:53 Cueing the audience for laughs and applause 48:14 Leading the audience with your emotions 50:57 Mike's take on using AI for speeches 55:24 How to work with Mike Pacchione 56:47 Mike's free resource If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one. Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show Follow Nathan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow Website: https://nathanbarry.com Kit: https://www.kit.com Follow Mike: Freebie: https://bestspeech.co/nathan Website: https://bestspeech.co LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpacchione Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mpacc X: https://x.com/mpacc Featured in this episode: Kit: https://www.kit.com Duarte: https://www.duarte.com Atomic Habits: https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habits WP Engine: https://wpengine.com ConvertKit: https://convertkit.com Highlights: 02:01 – Getting the audience to forget it's a speech 15:30 – Ending your story in the middle for maximum impact 26:06 – Sarah: The person who eats quinoa for a cheat meal 37:05 – Why you should never end your talk on Q&A 53:02 – The point of a speech is to make an emotional connection