Becoming The Product

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My “Becoming the Product Podcast" is an APVA-nominated show about my journey into product management. I share my experiences and insights in a diary-style format, documenting the highs and lows of my journey. This podcast is for aspiring product managers and anyone interested in product management. Whether you're just starting or looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. New episodes are released every Monday, offering valuable insights and firsthand experiences.

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November 10, 2025Episode 206 min

You Are the Product: A New Kind of Résumé

Not every résumé fits on paper.In this reflective episode, Naya explores how proof, process, and storytelling form the foundation of your modern résumé one that evolves with every lesson, pivot, and product you build.Because in the end, you are the product.Timestamps00:00 – 00:30 — Introduction: “You are the product.”00:30 – 01:00 — The story of being laid off and discovering the power of documentation.01:00 – 02:00 — Point 1: Your proof is your portfolio.02:00 – 02:30 — Point 2: Your process is your brand.02:30 – 03:30 — Point 3: Your story is your strategy.03:30 – 05:00 — Product thinking as iteration, not restarting.05:00 – End — Closing reflections + call to action to audit your proof.Key TakeawaysYour résumé isn’t a document; it’s your proof in motion.Proof builds trust faster than credentials.Your process — how you communicate, plan, and execute — is your real brand.Storytelling helps you connect your past to your next pivot.You’re not behind; you’re just iterating.Key Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Free Smart PM Career Roadmap⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Build Without Permission – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Side Hustle Stories – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Proof & Practice BundleSubscribe to the newsletterDM me on LinkedIn about PMaaS

November 5, 2025Episode 197 min

Is It Too Late to Pivot? (No.)

This week, Naya shares her story of pivoting from banking to tech, and the three truths that helped her rebuild with clarity. If you’ve ever wondered if it’s too late to start again, this one’s for you. Spoiler: It’s not. You’re not behind, you’re just iterating.Timestamps:0:00 – 1:00 — Intro: What inspired this episode and the myth of “too late.”1:00 – 1:30 — My layoff story: From banking to blank slate.1:30 – 2:30 — Discovering tech and realizing I’d been doing “product thinking” all along.2:30 – 4:30 — Three truths about pivoting: redeeming your past, choosing curiosity, and building clarity through action.4:30 – 6:00 — Encouragement for anyone feeling behind.6:00 – End — Call to action and community invites.Key Takeaways:Your past experience is data, not detour.Curiosity can be a valid reason to change direction.Start small; clarity comes from doing.You’re not late. You’re iterating.Key Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Free Smart PM Career Roadmap⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Build Without Permission – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Side Hustle Stories – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Proof & Practice BundleSubscribe to the newsletterDM me on LinkedIn about PMaaS

October 28, 2025Episode 187 min

Branding as a PM: Less Logos, More Proof

Summary:In this episode, Naya redefines what personal branding means for product managers and creatives. It’s not about logos or aesthetics — it’s about proof. She shares how documenting in real time, building in public, and aligning every creative outlet to a purpose has shaped her brand as a product builder.Key Takeaways:Branding = the proof you leave behind.Progress > perfection.Build a brand that functions, not just exists.Every piece of work you share is a micro-proof.Timestamps:00:00 – 01:10 → The question: “If your brand disappeared tomorrow, what proof would remain?”01:10 – 02:45 → Why branding isn’t design, it’s data.02:45 – 03:20 → Early lessons from documenting in public.03:20 – 04:15 → Proof is the new branding.04:15 – 05:30 → Build in public: why people connect with progress.05:30 – 05:45 → Make your brand functional.05:45 – 06:30 → You don’t need a rebrand, you need a record.06:30 – 07:00 → Final thoughts + CTA.

October 20, 2025Episode 178 min

From Idea to Offering: How I Built a Service from My Skillset

In this episode, Naya breaks down how she transformed her product management experience into structured offerings like PMaaS and Side Hustle Stories. She shares how small acts of documentation became data, how structure created clarity, and why proof always comes before scale.Key Takeaways:You don’t start by building a business — you start by building proof.Your patterns reveal your first offer.Structure creates clarity and scale.Test in public — feedback builds confidence.Your experience is your data.Timestamps00:00 – 02:30 | The surprising start — how documentation turned into a product journey02:30 – 05:30 | Story: From podcast reflections to building proof05:30 – 06:00 | Point 1: Start by naming what’s working06:00 – 06:30 | Point 2: Build structure around your skill06:30 – 07:00 | Point 3: Show proof before you scale07:00 – 07:45 | Wrap-up & final reminder: Proof becomes your product07:45 – 08:30 | CTA: Newsletter, Side Hustle Stories, Dive Africa

October 13, 2025Episode 1610 min

What Founders Teach Me About Product Thinking

In this reflective episode, Naya shares what working with startup founders taught her about real-world product thinking. Beyond frameworks and templates, founders taught her the value of clarity, prioritization, storytelling, and scrappy validation. She connects these lessons to her own journey building PMaaS and preparing for Dive 2025 — Africa’s biggest tech and product conference.Key Takeaways:Clarity is a discipline, not an end goal.Prioritize what matters now — not everything at once.Storytelling is a product strategy.Build with what you have, not what you wish you had.Validation always beats perfection.Timestamps:00:00 – 01:10 | Founders move fast — intro to today’s topic01:10 – 03:50 | Observing early-stage founders: from chaos to clarity03:50 – 05:20 | Lesson 1: Clarity isn’t an outcome, it’s a discipline05:20 – 06:50 | Lesson 2: Prioritize what matters right now06:50 – 07:40 | Lesson 3: Storytelling as strategy07:40 – 08:00 | Lesson 4: Build with what you have08:00 – 09:00 | Lessons I’ve applied to PMaaS09:00 – 09:30 | Dive 2025 mention & reflections on community09:30 – 10:00 | Wrap-up & CTAsKey Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Free Smart PM Career Roadmap⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Build Without Permission – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Side Hustle Stories – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Proof & Practice BundleSubscribe to the newsletterDM me on LinkedIn about PMaaSThe Dive 2025

October 6, 2025Episode 158 min

Why I’m Excited for Product Dive 2025

In this episode, I talk about Product Dive 2025, Africa’s biggest tech and product conference, my role as an ambassador, and what the Becoming the Product community can gain from it. I share why this event is special to me, what to expect, and how to plug in ahead of December.Timestamps:00:00 – Intro: Something big is happening in December01:30 – What Product Dive 2025 is all about04:00 – My role as an ambassador07:00 – Why this matters to me personally10:00 – What you can get out of it13:00 – CTAs + Wrap upKey Takeaways:Product Dive is the #1 tech/product event on the continent.Ambassador roles can be more than promotion — they can be storytelling bridges.This is a prime opportunity to learn, connect, and grow within Africa’s product ecosystem.Key Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Free Smart PM Career Roadmap⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Build Without Permission – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Side Hustle Stories – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Proof & Practice BundleSubscribe to the newsletterDM me on LinkedIn about PMaaSproductdive.com/the-dive-2025-conference

October 5, 2025Episode 146 min

My Most Underrated Career Move: Working in Incubation

In this reflective episode, Naya shares why stepping into incubation was one of her smartest career moves — even if it didn’t look like it at first. She unpacks how working with founders sharpened her product thinking, inspired PMaaS, and gave her strategic positioning that a traditional PM role couldn’t.Key Takeaways:Unconventional pivots can sharpen unique skills and perspectives.Incubation offers deep exposure to multiple products and founders.Acting as a “fractional PM” builds operational clarity and mentorship muscles.Quiet moves often become powerful leverage points later on.Episode 14: My Most Underrated Career Move — Working in Incubation00:00 – 01:30 | Intro: Bold moves that don’t look bold at first01:30 – 02:00 | Story: Becoming an incubation manager02:00 – 03:00 | Point 1: Ecosystem exposure03:00 – 04:00 | Point 2: Operational clarity & mentorship04:00 – 05:00 | Point 3: Strategic positioning for PMaaS05:00 – 06:00 | Wrap-up & reflectionsKey Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Free Smart PM Career Roadmap⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Build Without Permission – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Side Hustle Stories – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Proof & Practice BundleSubscribe to the newsletterDM me on LinkedIn about PMaaS

October 5, 2025Episode 136 min

Quiet Building as strategy

In this reflective solo episode, Naya shares why not every season of building needs to be loud. She breaks down her Q3 “quiet season,” the mindset shifts that came with it, and practical ways to document and build intentionally when visibility is low.Key Takeaways:Quiet seasons are powerful for strategy and foundation workValue doesn’t disappear just because it’s not visibleDocument your journey quietly now — share later when the time is rightSilence can be strategy, not stagnationEpisode 13: The Quiet Build — Why Not Every Season is Loud00:00 – 01:30 | Intro: Why quiet seasons matter01:30 – 02:00 | Story: My unplanned Q3 pause02:00 – 03:00 | Point 1: Quiet seasons build foundations03:00 – 04:00 | Point 2: Visibility ≠ value05:00 – 06:00 | Point 3: Document quietly, share later6:00 – 6:05 | Wrap up & remindersKey Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Free Smart PM Career Roadmap⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Build Without Permission – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Side Hustle Stories – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Proof & Practice BundleSubscribe to the newsletterDM me on LinkedIn about PMaaS

October 4, 2025Episode 128 min

How I Use Notion to Run 3 Hustles

In this practical solo episode, Naya shares her Notion system for managing a full portfolio career without a team. From holistic goal planning to project management across multiple hustles, and even using Notion as a website, this is the behind-the-scenes look at her real operating system.Episode 12: How I Use Notion to Run 3 Hustles00:00 – 00:38 | Introduction: How I manage multiple hustles solo00:38 – 01:21 | Life before Notion: scattered docs, sticky notes, chaos01:21 – 03:38 | Building my 2025 dashboard — holistic planning03:38 – 05:40 | Master Task Database across podcast, PMaaS, content05:40 – 07:14 | Turning Notion into backend + frontend07:14 – 08:09 | Why Notion is my COOKey Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Free Smart PM Career Roadmap⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Build Without Permission – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Side Hustle Stories – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Proof & Practice BundleSubscribe to the newsletterDM me on LinkedIn about PMaaS

October 4, 2025Episode 1112 min

Protecting Peace While Building Ambition

In this reflective solo episode, Naya opens up about the quieter side of ambition, the overwhelm that can come from juggling multiple creative and professional pursuits. She shares three lessons she’s applying this season to protect her peace while continuing to build intentionally: recognizing overload early, creating clear boundaries, and protecting rest and joy.Episode 11: Protecting Peace While Building Ambition00:00 – 01:03 | Introduction: Ambition can chip away at your peace if unchecked01:03 – 02:11 | Q3 reality check — overwhelm, disconnect, and hitting pause02:11 – 05:18 | Lesson 1: Recognizing overload early and identifying signals05:18 – 07:23 | Lesson 2: Creating containers and boundaries to focus energy07:23 – 09:55 | Lesson 3: Protecting joy and rest intentionally09:55 – 11:39 | Reframing expectations & designing sustainable systems11:39 – 12:31 | Final reminder: Your peace is not optionalKey Links:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Free Smart PM Career Roadmap⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Build Without Permission – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Side Hustle Stories – Mini Course⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Proof & Practice BundleSubscribe to the newsletterDM me on LinkedIn about PMaaS