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November 13, 2026Episode 1321 hr 5 min
#132 Dave at 50: a red dot, a pinstripe suit and two jobs she told him to turn down
Dave at 50 "no one else owns that shit other than me" Dave turns 50 on Monday, so Debbie sat him down and went through it, decade by decade. At 14, ME took four and a half years and nearly put him underground. What got him out was a red dot on a canvas sheet and the decision to stop fighting. In his twenties, a scratch on his toe became septicaemia, and two questions on a hospital ward changed everything that came after. In his thirties, a coaching company put him in a pinstripe suit. Debbie had something to say about that. In his 3rd decade, he turned down two jobs where he could name his own salary, came back from Ironman and let long-term relationships end, and found the word that became his life’s work: thealism. Along the way there’s a sales meeting where a tree grows in the air behind a client’s head, and a 2am alarm set for dictionary.com. There’s an apology to a boy he’d laughed at on the school bus, who crossed the street. and there’s at least one moment where you’ll hear exactly what it’s like to run a business with your husband. “You don’t need to experience the shit to learn the lesson.” Leadership, leadershit, leadershift. Fifty years of all three, and he owns every one of them. Season 8 of the and. podcast, brought to you by mood. moodapp.io
November 6, 2026Episode 1311 hr 6 min
#131 AI without losing your soul
AI is moving faster than most businesses can think, and this conversation explains how to use it without losing your brand, your judgment, or your soul. You will also experience some of Debbie's cynicism of AI and Dave's thinking on how ethics is key in AI. and is always human first and this discussion is a one that could go on and on and on... Kevin Lyons from ROAR labs breaks down the shift he sees from prompting to operating to orchestrating, and shows why the real winners will be the people who know how to stay human while AI handles the friction. Dave Evans and Debbie Halls Evans bring Kevin into a frank, practical conversation about what AI is actually doing inside organizations right now from shadow AI dirty data automated workflows, trust, disclosure, and the hidden cost of momentum. Kevin also shares how he helps businesses identify what to delegate, what to automate, and what must stay human, using a clear friction test that reveals where time is being lost.You'll discover: Why "powerful tools in weak systems speed up all the problems" The difference between prompting, operating, orchestrating, and fleet operations How to automate repeatable work without flattening your brand into AI slop Why disclosure matters if you want trust, especially in coaching, marketing, and healthcare How to reduce cognitive load without surrendering human command Kevin gives his real examples from the work he does with medical practices and nonprofits, including how he automates research-backed content while keeping a human in the loop for validation. Along the way, he explains why relying on one model is risky, why momentum has a cost, and why the goal is not to replace people but to return human capacity to the work that actually matters. If you're a founder, coach, leader, or operator wondering how to adopt AI without becoming generic, overwhelmed, or dependent on the latest tool, this episode is essential listening. It's sharp, practical, and honest about both the upside and the danger. Hot takeaways: AI needs to create room for better human work, not replace the human at the centre. The best use of automation is removing operational drag so people can focus on judgment, relationships, and their distinctive contribution. Automation magnifies whatever is already there. Good systems become more effective; weak processes, poor data, and unclear ownership becomemore damaging, faster. Brand voice cannot be delegated blindly. AI can support research, drafting, organisation, and follow-up, but human review protects trust, nuance, and personality. Sound bites: 00:00 Introduction to Kevin Lyons and his mission 02:24 Kevin's personal priorities and view on AI as a tool 04:15 The evolution of AI from novelty to business utility 05:13 Using AI to multiply human capacity without surrendering human command 06:40 From prompting to orchestrating and fleet operations in AI 07:50 Balancing creativity and AI: analog vs digital 11:03 The artistry of AI and generational shifts in creation 16:34 The importance of avoiding reliance on a single AI model 19:07 The impact of AI model disruptions and the collapse of time 22:21 Using AI in diverse client projects, including healthcare 29:37 Differentiating individual brands through tailored AI strategies 39:01 Ethics, disclosure, and trust in AI communication 45:12 The human element and the importance of authenticity 52:40 The potential dumbing down of society and critical thinking 01:02:29 The call to action: explore, learn, and lead with AI ----------------------------------------------- Find Kevin at https://roarlabs.io/ Work with us at and . www.andcoachme.com Want to be a guest email us and tell us why you are a fit? CLICK HERE
October 30, 2026Episode 1301 hr 2 min
#130 Everything's an experiment
Everything’s an experiment: A better way to handle business uncertainty. This episode is full of laughs and some seriousness, literally the whole point of business and life all wrapped up in just under 61 minutes. Teresa Heath-Wareing shares her insights on leadership, mindset, and the power of letting go of control to achieve success. She discusses her personal journey, strategies for mental resilience, and practical tips for business growth. Juicy hot topics (some serious and some just downright off tangent, pure gold!) The importance of letting go of control in leadership How visualization influences success and mindset Strategies for managing negative self-talk and catastrophising The role of therapy and coaching in personal growth The concept of experiments in business and life The significance of routines and habits in mental health The impact of language and framing on perception The challenge of controlling the mind and emotions The importance of authenticity in business and leadership Practical tips for overcoming mental barriers The real takeaways ( I mean it all is of course these are little pockets of joy) Letting go of control can lead to unexpected success Visualization can manifest real outcomes when combined with action Routine and habits support mental resilience Language shapes perception and influences outcomes Experiments in business reduce stress and increase learning Therapy and coaching are vital for mental health Authenticity attracts the right clients and opportunities Managing negative self-talk is crucial for growth Surrendering outcomes allows energy to flow Focus on what you can control to reduce stress To impatient to listen then these little snippets of joy will definitely get you wanting to listen to it all: Teresa Heath-Wareing “Everything’s an experiment.” “I am going to give you my best advice based on my experience, but it’s still your business.” Dave Evans “The real skill is letting it become what it wants to be.” “You get to decide.” “Life is not theory. It’s actually doing shit. It’s doing stuff.” “Notice what you’re not noticing.” “The magic… is it’s real life daily practice.” Debbie Halls-Evans “The moment you surrender the outcome and let go of it, it’s where the energy comes.” “What are the lies that you tell yourself that you’re good or you’re bad at?” “I want to feel discomfort. I want to feel like, ‘My God, what don’t I know?’” “What in your business do you need to let go of and let the outcome serve itself?” Find your moment in a sound bites 00:00 Introduction to Teresa Heath-Wareing and episode overview 02:11 Teresa's personal journey and achievements 05:03 The importance of leadership and leadership coexistence 07:50 Managing mental health and routines 11:55 The power of visualisation and letting go 16:02 The role of language and framing in success 20:01 Overcoming mental barriers and catastrophising 24:54 The impact of fantasies and fears on mindset 30:07 Practical strategies for mental resilience 35:09 The significance of authenticity and self-awareness 39:47 Future plans and advice for listeners ----------------------------------------- Find Teresa here on instagram https://www.instagram.com/teresa_heathwareing and on her very lovely website https://teresaheathwareing.com/ her podcast https://teresaheathwareing.com/dream-business-podcast/ work with us at and. www.andcoachme.com be a guest on the podcast, tell us why you fit.. .CLICK HERE
October 26, 2026Episode 17 min
Season 8 intro: trailer, we are back
Here we go..we are back (Back story, we recorded the intro trailer in a power cut! If you didn't know we live remotely in the middle of a scottish highland glen, a storm hit and took down our power, so we are day two of no power when this was recorded !) Season 8, of our podcast. Dave and Debbie intro you to what's coming in season 8. The guests are as varied as always, difference is good. Same values, different energy, thoughts, thinking, habits, approach, perspective, some akin to what we know and lots of unlearning and relearning. That's and. Subscribe Share Comment Listen Let's make season 8 the most prolific of all our seasons. Year 7 of podcasting, raw unedited conversations as they are in real life. Join in with us. The more you support you can share, the more help we give to others to help them succeed , let's do it together. See you there. www.andcoachme.com Also want to help yourself succeed ( or others) share our and. leadership dna pattern finder, it's free and get loads of coaching from us to help you help others succeed. Go on you know you want to... get it here NOW www.andcoachme.com/welcome-to-and-leadership-dna
October 26, 2026Episode 12954 min
#129 Why high achievers burn out before they realize they need help
In this episode, Tamu Thomas shares insights on redefining leadership beyond traditional models, emphasizing human connection, self-awareness, and the importance of understanding our biology to foster genuine flourishing in organisations. We know we all say we know this stuff, yet we see leadershit show up all the time as so many ignore it. Join in and share your comments with us. Hot topics The true meaning of leadership beyond societal stereotypes, a juicy discussion. The impact of burnout and how to recognize it Understanding the autonomic nervous system and its role in stress The importance of human connection and safety in organizations Strategies for self-coaching and personal leadership The concept of flourishing versus happiness in the workplace The performance versus authenticity debate in leadership Practical ways to build better self-awareness and boundary setting Takeaways They may seem obvious and we know they get ignored. Leadership is an outcome of human connection and self-awareness. Burnout is a sign of ignoring our body's signals and needs. Understanding the autonomic nervous system helps in managing stress. Creating a safe environment fosters human flourishing and productivity. Self-coaching protocols can empower individuals to make better decisions. Sound bites 00:00 Introduction to the episode and guest 02:56 The hollow success of workaholism 05:54 Redefining leadership beyond outdated models 08:49 Understanding the nervous system and stress signals 12:10 The importance of pause and self-awareness 14:55 The myth of work-life balance and harmony 18:03 Practical steps for organizations to support human flourishing 21:11 How to recognise and respond to stress signs 24:04 Supporting employees through cycles and stress 26:57 The performance versus authenticity debate 29:47 The importance of seeking support and collaboration 33:05 Listening to your body's signals and signs of fatigue 36:11 Expanding our understanding of equity and inclusion 39:00 Nuance and maturity in leadership conversations 42:11 The impact of societal narratives on health and leadership 45:02 The role of language in transforming leadership paradigms 47:52 The need for compassion and understanding in leadership 51:00 The importance of pause and reflection 52:08 The analogy of the archer and grounding 52:45 Final thoughts and key messages ---------------------------------------------------- Find more about Tamu at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tamu.thomas Website https://the-elg.org/ Work with us at and. www.andcoachme.com Be a guest on the podcast Email us why you fit at coach@andcoachme.com
February 24, 2026Episode 12845 min
#128 Stephanie Harrison The burden of helping in a world that won't help back
When the world demands you disconnect, what if helping others is the only way back to yourself? Stephanie Harrison returns to explore why New Happy feels more urgent than ever. In a world where systems don't have our best interests at heart, she argues that we have each other and that might be enough. The conversation moves through the challenge of holding ideals while knowing your actions feel inadequate, the weaponization of language to dehumanize versus elevate, and the power of unconditional acceptance even when it's uncomfortable. Stephanie shares her continued commitment to New Happy, rooted in personal proof and a profound responsibility to future generations. She introduces her next book, Feel, a guide to working with emotions for their intended purposes rather than suppressing them. The episode tackles how to navigate helping in an old happy world, why small acts matter when everyone participates, and how to stop dismissing the moments that actually make us feel better. It's a raw, emotional conversation about legacy, language, and what it means to be an anonymous person in the wave of history. Mic drops 🎤 "It feels more urgent and important than ever to me in a lot of ways." (01:35.8) "To be a helper in an old happy world in a way is asking you to shoulder the burdens of the world." (07:11.8) "If all of us just did our small part, then no one would have to carry a massive burden." (09:12.1) "I also want to be an anonymous person in the wave of history that hopefully helps"
February 9, 2026Episode 12743 min
#127 Jon Dutton : Chain Reaction, what British Cycling teaches us about leading when everyone’s watching
From Olympic podiums to local bike lanes, Jon Dutton unpacks the joy, pressure, and purpose behind leading a sport that half the UK now touches. In this episode of the and. Double D podcast, Dave Evans and Debbie Halls-Evans speak with Jon Dutton , CEO of British Cycling. With nearly half of the UK’s adult population riding a bike at least once last year, Jon shares what it really means to lead a sport that doubles as a lifestyle, form of travel, and source of national pride. From Olympic medals to mental health, from inclusivity to infrastructure, Jon offers no-nonsense reflections on leadership, pressure, purpose, and performance. He talks openly about transforming British Cycling’s culture, navigating change, and making cycling accessible for everyone not just the Lycra elite. Whether you ride, lead, or just want to make impact where it counts, this conversation will get your wheels turning. Mic drops “British Cycling is a sport, a life skill, and an active form of travel. That’s a hell of a privilege to lead.” (00:01:53) “We had to radically rethink who cycling is for. Because the answer must be: everyone.” (00:03:12) “We can’t just talk about inclusion. We have to reflect it in our culture and leadership.” (00:04:25) “Leadership is about pressure. But purpose makes that pressure mean something.” (00:05:31) “Sport can’t be in a bubble. It has to serve communities and be part of bigger conversations.” (00:07:43) “When you lead a national governing body, everyone has an opinion. The key is listening, not reacting.” (00:09:58)
January 5, 2026Episode 12649 min
#126 Dominic Colenso The Actor, The Algorithm, and The Awkward Presentation
In this episode of and. Double D , Dave and Debbie speak with actor-turned-communication-expert Dominic Colenso , exploring the journey from starring in Thunderbirds to becoming a renowned coach, speaker, and author of Cut Through . We discuss the power of performance skills beyond the stage, the neuroscience of communication, and how to reduce complexity to land messages with real impact. Dominic shares insights into human laziness, the distractions of AI, the danger of rushing, and how stopping, listening, and creating space is vital for effective communication. Expect vulnerability, storytelling, and moments of real clarity on what it means to lead and speak with purpose today. Mic 🎤 drops “The more time I spend looking out the window, the more able I am to articulate ideas and use them in a more impactful way.” (22:03) “We often think we have to tell people everything we know to show how brilliant we are. In reality, that’s just rubbish.” (19:36) “I didn’t tell anyone I was cast in Thunderbirds because I didn’t believe it was true.” (05:32) “When I was at drama school, we thought breathwork helped us project our voices. What we didn’t realise is we were regulating our nervous system.” (16:00) “I’m both delighted and petrified by AI.” (25:12) “She googled ‘sustainable Christmas poem’ and Google wrote one for her. Before she’d even thought, her creativity was benchmarked.” (26:34) “What’s the point of writing a book when ChatGPT can spit out 60,000 words on communication?” (30:09) “Leadership development should feel like a rehearsal room you pause, you rewind, you try again.” (14:13) “I was a very introverted performer. I’d blush going on stage. But there was something about being in front of a group that lit me up.” (03:10)
December 9, 2025Episode 1251 hr 7 min
# 125 Erin Fletter What if the mess is where the magic is?
Founder of Sticky Fingers Cooking® Erin Fletter serves up a deliciously honest conversation on failure, flavour, and feeding the future. What if leadership looked less like order and more like creativity, chaos, and courage? In this episode, Dave Evans and Debbie Halls-Evans stir things up with Erin Fletter , founder of Sticky Fingers Cooking®, a revolutionary US-based children's cooking school. We talk about the messy middle of growing a business, why mistakes are essential ingredients for success, and how cooking with kids teaches us more about leadership, connection, and life than any boardroom ever could. This isn’t a chat about KPIs or pitch decks. This is a conversation about doing the thing that matters , whether the kitchen’s on fire or not. It’s about vision, persistence, play, and why Erin believes in radical transparency with kids, with customers, and with herself. Mic Drop Quotes "I went door to door to schools and I went to a hundred schools and I got 97. You're, you're crazy. You're out of your mind. I got a 97 node. Because they didn't, there was no such thing." "How many people in the world today? Give up? Yeah, give up. At 20, at six, at 10, and before they even leave their house, you went to a hundred schools." "The harder you work, the more luck that you have." Why listen to this episode? You’re tired of the same leadership advice and want something real You’re curious about how building with kids can teach adults how to lead You want to create something that matters , but you're stuck in the perfection trap You’re in the messy middle and need a nudge forward You want permission to lead with flavour, fun, and failure not just formulas Find more about Sticky Fingers Cooking Erin Fletter (she/her) CEO, Founder & Food-Geek-in-Chief Sticky Fingers Cooking ® Core Values & Social Responsibility Cookbooks + Brand Information + Franchise Information
August 13, 2025Episode 12450 min
#124 Rudy Gestede Mediocre Career, Maximum Clarity?
He played in the Premier League. He calls his career mediocre. Now that’s leadership. Rudy Gestede went from global footballer to the boardroom with zero ego and a work ethic built on grit, faith, and no backup plan . He’s not here to impress you. He’s here to challenge everything you think leadership looks like. How do you lead when your body gives up before your ambition does? In this no-frills episode, former Premier League footballer turned Blackburn Rovers exec Rudy Gestede drops his playbook for leading with honesty, handling pressure without whining, and navigating elite sport, injury, and impostor syndrome without falling apart. No flashy philosophy. No “I always wanted to be a leader” narrative. Just straight-up lessons in ownership, discipline, and what happens when you stop blaming and start building. Why Listen to This Episode? Whether you’re leading in sport, business, or life this one’s for the people who don’t want a hype talk. They want the truth. You want leadership advice from someone who actually had to earn it You’re transitioning careers and feel like you’re making it up as you go You’ve failed, doubted yourself, or been lied to and want to do better anyway You’re tired of watching leaders fake it with charisma and crumble under pressure You want to build something without needing to shout, scheme, or show off ------------------------------------- Mic Drop Moments “Leadership? I’m still shit at it. But I’m learning every day.” Say hello to your new favorite truth bomb. “You don’t need to like everyone but you do need to respect them.” Basic human decency. Rare leadership strategy. “I opened a restaurant to learn how to manage people.” Imagine being this committed to not being mediocre. “I didn’t give myself options. I gave myself a goal.” Resilience 101: remove the escape hatch. “We had six managers in two years. I saw what good and bad looked like.” If you’ve survived a toxic org, you’ll feel this in your spine. “If you fake leadership, people will see it. Every time.” Truth has a weird way of showing up even if you hide behind buzzwords. “I lead by shaking hands with every person in the building.” Forget all-hands Zooms. Try human connection. “The worst leader I ever hired? That’s on me.” Accountability: often mentioned, rarely modelled.
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