Working Wealth Podcast

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Join us, Haley and Patrick Rogers, for genuine conversation on turning dreams into reality and how we help people gain clarity about developing their wealth. We will be unraveling the chapters of our personal journey in business, why we got into the wealth management industry and, why we love helping others. It's personal, raw, and relatable. But this isn't just about us—it's about you.

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August 18, 202630 min

Is Inflation Really the Biggest Risk to Your Retirement?

Inflation is often described as one of the greatest threats to retirement. But does rising inflation affect every retiree in the same way? In this episode of Working Wealth, Patrick and Trevor debate whether inflation is truly the biggest risk to your retirement and explain why the answer depends heavily on your spending, assets, housing costs, and overall financial plan. They discuss: How inflation is measured through the Consumer Price Index Why your personal inflation rate may differ from the headline number Which retirement expenses are most vulnerable to rising prices How paying off a home can change your exposure to inflation Why owning appreciating assets may help offset higher costs The role of stocks, real estate, and productive businesses How lifestyle and spending decisions affect retirement income needs Why a flexible retirement plan matters more than predicting prices Inflation is real, and it should be included in any responsible retirement projection. But it does not affect every household equally, and it does not automatically have to derail your financial future. The goal is not to predict exactly what everything will cost decades from now. It is to build a plan with enough flexibility, growth, and margin to adapt as life changes. Subscribe for more practical conversations about retirement planning, investing, taxes, and building long-term wealth. Discussions in this show are for entertainment and educational purposes only and should not be construed as specific recommendations or investment advice. Always consult with your investment professional before making important financial decisions.

August 4, 202634 min

A 50% Government Retirement Match? Here’s the Catch

A new federal retirement savings program could give eligible Americans a 50% match on their contributions, up to $1,000. But is the so-called “Trump IRA” actually a valuable wealth-building tool, or is it simply repackaging options that already exist? In this episode of Working Wealth, Patrick and Trevor break down the proposed Trump IRA platform and the new Federal Saver’s Match expected to replace the current Saver’s Credit beginning in 2027. They discuss: How the Federal Saver’s Match is expected to work Who may qualify for the government contribution How Trump IRA accounts compare with traditional and Roth IRAs The potential benefits of receiving a 50% retirement match The restrictions, limitations, and unanswered questions Why financial education matters more than creating another account How to decide whether a new financial program actually fits your plan Every financial tool may have a place, but “free money” should never replace thoughtful planning. Before opening a new account, it is important to understand who benefits, what restrictions apply, and how it supports your larger retirement strategy. Subscribe for practical conversations about retirement planning, investing, taxes, and building wealth with greater intention. Discussions in this show are for entertainment and educational purposes only and should not be construed as specific recommendations or investment advice. Always consult with your investment professional before making important financial decisions.

July 13, 202632 min

The S&P 500 Isn't as Diversified as You Think

For many investors, the S&P 500 has become the default answer. Open social media, browse investing forums, or listen to financial influencers, and you'll hear the same message over and over: "Just buy the S&P 500." But is it really that simple? In this episode of the Working Wealth Podcast, Patrick Rogers and Trevor Rasmussen break down what the S&P 500 actually is, why it's become so popular, and whether investing exclusively in the index is truly as diversified as many people believe. They discuss concentration risk, market-cap weighting, large-cap dominance, international diversification, small-cap investing, and the tradeoffs between simplicity and portfolio construction. The goal isn't to criticize the S&P 500. It's to help investors better understand what they own and how different pieces of a portfolio work together. Topics Covered: What is the S&P 500? · Market-cap weighting · Diversification explained · Large-cap stocks · International investing · Small-cap stocks · Portfolio construction · Concentration risk · Index fund investing · Long-term investing · Asset allocation

June 29, 202645 min

The 3 Tax Buckets Every Investor Should Know

Most people spend a lot of time deciding what to invest in. Very few spend enough time thinking about where those investments should live. In this episode of the Working Wealth Podcast, Patrick Rogers and Trevor Rasmussen break down the three major tax buckets that make up most financial plans: pretax accounts, Roth accounts, and taxable brokerage accounts. They explain how each bucket works, the tradeoffs of each approach, and why understanding tax treatment may be just as important as choosing the right investments. The conversation covers traditional 401(k)s, IRAs, Roth accounts, tax-deferred growth, tax-free growth, Roth conversions, retirement income planning, inheritance considerations, and the role taxable accounts can play in creating flexibility.

June 15, 202645 min

Term Life Beats Whole Life? Let's Talk About It

Life insurance is one of the most important financial tools available... and one of the most misunderstood. In this episode of the Working Wealth Podcast, Patrick Rogers and Trevor Rasmussen break down the major types of life insurance, including term life, whole life, universal life, indexed universal life (IUL), and variable life insurance. They discuss what life insurance is actually designed to do, why so many families are underinsured, and how different policy structures work in the real world. The conversation also explores the strengths and weaknesses of cash value policies, how life insurance pricing works, what makes someone uninsurable, and why many financial professionals recommend starting with term coverage before considering more complex strategies.

June 1, 202632 min

The Insurance Policies We Think Are a Waste of Money

Not all insurance is created equal. In Part 2 of our insurance series, Patrick Rogers and Trevor Rasmussen break down some of the most common insurance products consumers are sold and explain why many of them may not make sense for the average person. From credit life insurance and mortgage protection policies to supplemental coverages, the insurance marketplace is filled with products that sound helpful on the surface but may not provide the value many people expect. The goal of this episode isn't to tell you what to buy. It's to help you think critically about risk, coverage, and whether a policy actually solves a problem in your financial life. If you've ever wondered whether you're paying for insurance you don't really need, this episode will help you separate useful protection from expensive add-ons.

May 25, 202643 min

Most People Are Using Insurance Completely Wrong

Most people think about insurance backwards. In this episode of the Working World Podcast, Patrick Rogers and Trevor break down what insurance is actually designed to do, how it fits into a financial plan, and why so many people either overbuy the wrong coverage… or completely ignore the risks that matter most. From health insurance and disability coverage to homeowners, auto, umbrella, and long-term care policies, this episode explores how insurance functions as financial defense — not wealth building. They also discuss why medical debt remains one of the biggest financial risks in America, how liability coverage protects accumulated assets, and why many insurance products are marketed in ways that confuse consumers. If you’ve ever wondered: “What insurance do I actually need?” “How much coverage is enough?” “Is insurance an investment?” “What financial risks should I actually worry about?” …this episode is for you. Topics covered: What insurance is actually for · Insurance vs investing · Medical debt and financial risk · Disability insurance · Auto and homeowners coverage · Umbrella policies · Liability protection · Long-term care planning · Asset protection · Underinsurance risks · How insurance fits into a financial plan 00:00 – Intro & Podcast Disclaimer 00:37 – Why Insurance Confuses So Many People 01:15 – What Insurance Is ACTUALLY For 02:05 – Offense vs Defense in Financial Planning 03:20 – Why Protection Matters Before Growth 05:00 – Medical Debt & Financial Risk 07:15 – The Most Important Types of Insurance 09:30 – Disability Insurance Explained 12:00 – Health Insurance & Catastrophic Events 14:20 – Traditional vs Nontraditional Health Coverage 16:45 – Health Sharing Ministries & Alternatives 18:30 – What “Proper Coverage” Actually Means 20:00 – Auto Insurance Explained 22:10 – Liability Coverage & Lawsuits 24:45 – Why Umbrella Policies Matter 27:15 – Protecting Assets as Wealth Grows 29:40 – Cybersecurity & Identity Theft Risks 32:10 – Long-Term Care Insurance Basics 34:50 – Estate Planning & Insurance 36:40 – The Biggest Insurance Mistakes People Make 39:15 – Final Thoughts & Risk Management Philosophy

May 11, 202650 min

Most People Have No Idea How Their Health Insurance Works

Most people don't think about health insurance until they're forced to — and by then, it gets expensive fast. Patrick Rogers and Josh Crumley of HealthMarkets break down ACA marketplace plans, private coverage, Medicare, and the 2026 subsidy cliff. If you're self-employed, retiring before 65, or losing employer coverage, the rules just changed — and this episode explains what that means for your financial plan. Topics covered: ACA marketplace vs. private insurance · Health insurance before Medicare at 65 · The 2026 ACA subsidy cliff · Medicare planning basics · Deductibles and out-of-pocket costs · Healthcare costs in retirement · Health sharing ministries · COBRA and coverage gaps · Common insurance mistakes · How health insurance affects your overall financial plan. 00:00 – Intro & Podcast Disclaimer 00:38 – Meet Josh Crumley & Why Health Insurance Matters 01:28 – Why Health Insurance Feels So Complicated Today 02:45 – The Different “Buckets” of Insurance Plans 05:00 – Why Premiums Have Changed So Much 07:58 – ACA Plans vs Private Insurance 10:45 – Health Sharing Ministries & Alternative Options 13:40 – What People Need to Know About Coverage Limits 16:25 – Provider Networks Explained 19:15 – Understanding Deductibles, Copays & Out-of-Pocket Costs 22:05 – What Happens If You Don’t Have Coverage 24:50 – Emergency Care, Hospitals & Financial Risk 27:25 – Why Healthy People Still Need a Strategy 30:10 – Healthcare Costs & Retirement Planning 32:55 – Medicare Basics & Planning Ahead 35:30 – How the Industry Has Changed Over the Years 38:15 – The Biggest Mistakes People Make With Insurance 40:40 – Planning for Future Healthcare Expenses 43:40 – Long-Term Care & Aging Considerations 46:30 – Final Thoughts on Flexibility & Financial Planning 49:00 – Where to Learn More & Closing Thoughts

April 6, 202647 min

Why High Earners Still Feel Broke | Income, Lifestyle Creep & Creating Financial Margin

Many people believe making more money will solve their financial problems. But in reality, higher income often hides financial issues instead of fixing them. In this episode of The Working Wealth Podcast, Patrick Rogers and Trevor Rasmussen discuss why so many people earning strong incomes still feel financially stuck. They break down how lifestyle creep happens, why money can feel “spoken for” before it ever reaches your account, and how creating financial margin can dramatically change your financial future. The conversation also covers simple systems that help people regain control of their finances — including micro-goals, better cash-flow awareness, and structuring accounts intentionally. If you feel like you should be further ahead financially despite earning good money, this episode will help explain why — and what to do about it. To connect with Patrick, visit planwithpatrick.com or follow us on Instagram at @smartprogvl

March 23, 202654 min

Jonathan Godwin | Tax Season Is Here: Avoid These Costly Filing Mistakes (Small Business, W-4s & Overtime Changes)

Tax season is here — and most people are reacting instead of planning. In this episode, Patrick sits down with CPA Jonathan Godwin to break down what proactive tax planning actually looks like for small business owners and everyday W-2 earners. If you're filing taxes right now, this conversation may save you thousands. They cover: • Why tax planning should happen year-round — not just during tax season • How small business owners avoid surprise $40,000 tax bills • Why tax refunds are NOT “bonuses” — they’re math • The hidden danger of ignoring your W-4 and paycheck withholding • How being close to the next tax bracket creates planning opportunities • The truth about the new overtime deduction • Why “no tax on Social Security” was misunderstood • How upcoming sunset tax laws could change everything Most people only think about taxes for a few weeks every year. The people who build wealth plan for them all year long. If you're a business owner, overtime earner, retiree, or someone who simply wants fewer surprises this tax season — this conversation is for you. To connect with Patrick, visit planwithpatrick.com or follow on Instagram at @smartprogvl