
234. Taking Space and Creating Space for Others While Leading
In this episode of the Women Emerging Podcast, Julia Middleton sits down with documentary filmmaker Justine to explore how the 4Es helped her find language for questions of existence, confidence and taking space. During the Brussels City Expedition, Justine began looking more closely at her essence and the influence of her maternal ancestors. Having grown up hearing herself described as an “unwanted child”, she had carried a fear of taking up too much space. A filmed conversation with her mother revealed a different story: the fear surrounding her birth was not about her right to exist, but about money—and belonged to a longer, inherited history of scarcity. Together, Julia and Justine explore how understanding this history enabled Justine to move away from seeing herself as a victim and begin recognising her own agency and power. They discuss why taking space sometimes requires disagreement, honesty and accepting that it is impossible to please everyone. Justine also reflects on the “motherness” she brings to filmmaking: creating an environment in which her crew feels safe, seen and able to offer their full selves. For her, leading requires a balance between care and control, and taking space herself enables her to create more space for others. This is a conversation about inherited fear, the right to exist and how the 4Es can give structure and language to emotions that are otherwise difficult to name. About the Guest: Justine Cappelle is a documentary filmmaker who takes her own existence as a “spiral child” as a starting point: conceived despite an IUD, against a very small chance of being here. From this paradox, she questions what it means to exist, why we are here and how we give meaning to the world around us. Her films turn toward people, stories and phenomena that often remain unseen, using documentary as a way to make space for other forms of presence and perspective. At the same time, she questions the documentary image itself: how we show, tell and construct reality, and what happens between what is visible and what remains hidden. Her practice searches for different ways of approaching truth, moving between observation, lived experience and interpretation. Her films have been presented at international festivals including IDFA, FIFA and Kassel Dokfest.
