What's Your "And"?

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John Garrett's research involves asking professionals, "Who else are you beyond your job title?" Accountants, consultants, lawyers, engineers, and other professionals everywhere are doing hobbies and passions after they leave the office. We discuss why these outside-of-work interests matter and how they've impacted their career.

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June 3, 2026Episode 72726 min

727: Taryn Tigges is an Engineer & Dancer [podcast]

Taryn Tigges shares her lifelong passion for dance, which began at age four and carried her through years of ballet, tap, and competitive performances, including annual roles in The Nutcracker. She explains how dance was the only childhood activity she truly loved, drawn by its strong connection to music. Taryn describes the challenges of continuing with dance as an adult and her rediscovery of it through Impulse Dance and Fitness in her city, a studio for adults where she found a supportive community and rekindled her love for movement. She contrasts the childhood era of dance with the personal fulfillment and intentionality of dancing as an adult. Taryn reflects on the flow state and focus that dance offers, highlighting how it complements her professional life as an engineer. She encourages others not to suppress their passions, noting that sharing outside interests at work fosters connection and shows that everyone is more than their job title. Episode Highlights · There are two eras of Taryn's dance life: as a child/adolescent and as an adult, returning to dance through an adult studio after a long gap. · Dance provides her with confidence and a sense of flow state/focus that she didn't experience in other activities or even in her engineering work. · Sharing her dance passion at work creates connection and relatability with colleagues, showing she's more than just her job title. · Dance has positively influenced Taryn's professional life, making her more adventurous and comfortable in presentations by drawing on performance experience.

May 20, 2026Episode 72532 min

725: Adam Ritchie is a Consultant & Ski Instructor

Adam Ritchie, founder of High Potential Group in Detroit, Michigan, shares his lifelong passion for skiing, which began at age seven and later evolved into becoming a ski instructor. He remembers growing up with Saturday ski club bus trips and racing on his high school ski team, describing how skiing brought joy and resilience to Michigan winters. Adam explains how returning to the slopes rejuvenates him and brings energy to his life and work, refreshing his mindset for the week ahead. He emphasized the meaningful impact of teaching others, from helping anxious adults conquer their fears to seeing lightbulb moments in learners of all ages. Adam highlights strong similarities between ski instruction and leadership consulting, pointing out the importance of empathy, meeting people where they are, and recognizing the human side of everyone. He believes passionately in bringing his all parts of himself, including being a father, husband, and ski instructor, into his professional world, encouraging others to do the same. Episode Highlights · Skiing and ski instructing fill Adam's soul and give him new energy for life and work. · Teaching skiing and consulting both focus on creating "light bulb moments" for people, connecting them to new perspectives and skills. · Adam believes it's important to share your outside-of-work passions at work, as it deepens human connection and makes corporate culture more empathetic. · Leadership is most effective when it recognizes employees as whole people with multiple aspects to their lives, not just workers, saying, "We're human first and employees second." · Being open about hobbies and interests can build stronger relationships at work.

May 6, 2026Episode 72330 min

723: Denise Froemming is a President and CEO & Matcha Aficionado & Bridge Builder [podcast]

Denise Froemming, President and CEO of CalCPA, shares her passion for connecting with people, her love of matcha, and her approach to bridge-building both in and out of the workplace. She describes her lifelong commitment to bringing people together, from organizing charitable events as a child to helping her son and his friends start a non-profit basketball tournament for cancer research. Denise discusses the importance of servant leadership and how authenticity and caring for others are central to her leadership style. She also reveals her fondness for meaningful traditions, like family Lego nights. Throughout the conversation, Denise encourages curiosity, celebrating the power of connecting over shared interests, and embracing all parts of oneself at work. She emphasizes the value of both organizational and individual responsibility in creating an authentic workplace culture. Episode Highlights · Denise shares that she is a "bridge builder" who loves connecting people and creating human moments over things like matcha, community events, and projects. . She emphasizes that leadership should be about serving others, supporting their growth, and fostering an ecosystem where people can become their full selves. · Denise encourages showing up with authenticity, not just identifying with a job title, but allowing your unique interests and passion to influence your professional environment. . She believes organizational leaders have a duty to set the tone, create space for people's "And," and help them grow personally and professionally. · Her advice for others is to be curious, share your own "And," and you'll find you have more in common with others than you think, which leads to deeper connections.

April 22, 2026Episode 72127 min

721: Alvin Hartono is a Program Manager & Gamer [podcast]

Alvin Hartono, a lifelong gamer and program manager at Google, shares how his love for gaming began with Pokémon Gold on the Game Boy Color and has evolved alongside advances in technology. He explains how early gaming taught him resilience, problem-solving, and self-directed learning, all skills that have translated to his professional career. Alvin Hartono reveals that once he started talking about his passion for gaming during job interviews, it helped him stand out and connect with others more authentically. He notes that many workplaces now foster community through gaming tournaments and dedicated channels for sharing interests, which enhance social connection, especially in remote settings. Alvin Hartono encourages listeners to embrace and share their passions, believing these interests reveal more about a person than their job title. He advocates starting conversations by asking about hobbies, as people light up when discussing what they love outside of work. Episode Highlights · Growing up gaming fostered resilience, curiosity, and a love for learning by encouraging continual trial and error and problem-solving without much guidance. · Modern games are increasingly designed with tutorials and gamification to keep players engaged and coming back daily, which can be addictive but also rewarding. · Gaming sparked an interest in computers and programming, leading directly to career skills, including early experience in customization, automation, and understanding software. · Sharing personal passions like gaming in professional settings can create authentic connections, help in job interviews, and allow you to stand out by showing a fuller picture of who you are. · It's important to own your passions and lead conversations by asking about hobbies and interests outside of work, as these reveal more about who people truly are and help create more genuine connections.

April 8, 2026Episode 71936 min

719: Beth Goff-McMillan is a CEO & Wanderer [podcast]

Beth Goff-McMillan, CEO of SKG, joins the podcast to share how her love of wandering and exploring the world began in childhood road trips across the United States, sparking a lifelong curiosity about people and places. She highlights the value she finds in observing human connection, whether in small towns or across continents, and how these experiences help her relate to others and ask deeper questions at work. Beth recalls a transformative solo adventure in South Africa, where she discovered that people everywhere share the same basic desires for their families. She stresses the importance of making time for personal interests and encourages prioritizing one's own goals, believing that time is life's truest currency. At SKG, Beth fosters a culture where employees are supported in pursuing passions outside of work through initiatives like the "Tell Us About Yourself" form and the Culture Club. She encourages others to carve out even small amounts of time for their "And," emphasizing the power of authenticity and balance in life. Episode Highlights · Traveling and exploring from a young age shaped her worldview, inspiring curiosity about how people live and connect in different places. · Human connection is central. Whether through wandering, meeting strangers, or watching others, the act of engaging and understanding is foundational. · Experiencing other cultures and asking deep questions fosters relatability and empathy, which translates directly into her leadership as a CEO. · At SKG, she encourages employees to pursue personal passions and goals, not just work achievements, through activities like the "Tell Us About Yourself" form and the Culture Club. · Managing time intentionally and carving out space for personal interests is essential. Time is our true currency, and balancing it is crucial for happiness and growth.

March 25, 2026Episode 71744 min

717: Jackie Meyer is a CPA & World Traveler [podcast]

Jackie Meyer shares her love for world travel, describing how exploring new cultures, especially in Costa Rica, has become a core part of her family's life. She talks about the importance of prioritizing personal passions and time with loved ones, even making major career decisions to support these experiences. Jackie highlights how travel has helped her prevent burnout, encouraging boundaries and planning to maintain a healthy work-life balance. She also discusses how pursuing her "And" connects her more deeply with family, friends, and colleagues, fostering creativity and well-being. Jackie is a strong advocate for blending professional life with personal interests, believing that nurturing multiple sides of oneself leads to fulfillment. Her journey and insights inspire others to reflect on their own passions and find ways to bring them into daily life. Episode Highlights · Jackie emphasizes planning the year with travel and family time as a top priority, restructuring her life to avoid burnout and ensure joy outside work. · She stresses the importance of setting boundaries and recommends putting personal plans first to prevent work from overtaking all aspects of life. · Her journey from workaholism and burnout led her to realize the necessity of "finding herself" and nurturing her passions outside professional obligations. · Jackie encourages setting small, achievable goals in different areas of life (like travel, health, etc.), instead of trying to optimize everything at once, using her balance wheel methodology.

March 11, 2026Episode 71536 min

715: Dan McMahon is a Business Advisor & Improv Comedian [podcast]

Dan McMahon shares his journey from being a CPA to embracing improvisational and stand-up comedy as powerful hobbies that helped him become more confident, authentic, and fulfilled outside of work. Dan talks about how he started improv as a way to break out of old routines and found that it made him a better listener, collaborator, and public speaker. He also describes how performing stand-up, despite its nerve-wracking moments, became an exhilarating way to push himself outside his comfort zone. Dan credits improv and stand-up for giving him new depth, helping him build stronger relationships with clients, and encouraging those around him to be more authentic. He discusses the importance of finding passions that bring joy and insists that sharing those interests makes everyone better professionals. Dan encourages listeners to focus on what completes them as individuals, suggesting that authenticity and personal passions enrich both life and work. Episode Highlights · Dan credits his years in improv and dabbling in stand-up comedy with making him more confident, a better listener, and more collaborative, ultimately improving his personal and professional life. · He intentionally steps outside his comfort zone (like performing stand-up) to demonstrate the importance of courage. Not just for his own growth, but to inspire his clients to do the same. · Dan emphasizes the value of being authentic with clients and colleagues, sharing his passions and hobbies openly. He notes that this authenticity has made client relationships more natural and rewarding. · He stresses that focusing solely on the technical side of the job is not enough. Having passions and interests outside of work makes us more complete and enjoyable to be around. · His advice for others is to pursue what makes you happy, even if it seems like no one cares. Over time, you'll attract the right people who appreciate your depth and individuality.

February 25, 2026Episode 71339 min

713: Marc Mandell is a Principal of Select Flooring Design & Car Enthusiast [podcast]

Marc Mandell shares his lifelong passion for cars, tracing it back to a childhood experience seeing a classic Corvette for the first time, which sparked his journey into car restoration and customization. He discusses memorable projects, including working on a '63 Corvette split-window and building a GTM supercar from scratch, and emphasizes the satisfaction of rebuilding something from the ground up. Marc highlights how his appreciation for process and order with cars led him to a career in construction, where similar skills apply. He reflects on how people often see cars as just a mode of transportation, while he still finds each vehicle has its own personality and story. Marc also talks about the importance of embracing and sharing your personal passions, encouraging listeners to enjoy what makes them unique. He reminds us that "long days, short years" is a reality, so it's important to be true to what you love and let it show. Episode Highlights · Marc encourages people to enjoy what they're about and not to hide their passions, even if they don't directly relate to their job. He believes we should embrace our interests and bring them into our lives. · Whether it's working on cars or working in construction, Marc values the structured process of building and creating, from breaking things down to putting them back together. The sequence and satisfaction of the work is as important as the end result. · He talks about the importance of leading with empathy, meeting people where they're at, and holding space to understand others' perspectives. For Marc, these qualities help foster better communication and connection in both work and life. · Marc notes that many people put off their passions or hobbies until retirement, which can lead to regret. He urges listeners not to wait because life moves quickly, and it's important to spend time on what makes you happy now. · He makes the point that while family and work matter, they aren't the only defining elements of who you are. Everyone has many facets, including hobbies, passions, and interests, that make up their full identity.

February 11, 2026Episode 71138 min

711: Joe Pope is a Director of Business Development & Beer Brewer [podcast]

Joe Pope shares his passion for home brewing beer and smoking meats, revealing how his science background and connections with the craft beer community sparked his brewing journey. He talks about experimenting with different styles, giving his beers creative names, and the fun of sharing these creations with friends and colleagues. Joe emphasizes the importance of genuine relationships and how hobbies outside work foster those connections, especially in his role as a business development leader. He also discusses Hinge's unique "Hinge Has Your Back Day," encouraging employees to celebrate their interests and build a positive culture. Joe believes that embracing one's "And" makes professionals more relatable and successful. Episode Highlights · Sharing your personal "And"—your hobbies or passions outside work—can help build better relationships and make you more successful professionally. · Joe found more success when he embraced who he really is and shared that openly, even on platforms like LinkedIn. · He believes understanding clients' and colleagues' interests outside of work leads to stronger connections and better business outcomes. · Creating a supportive, human-centric environment starts at the top and is essential for a positive agency culture. · At his company, they have an annual "Hinge Has Your Back Day," encouraging employees to step away from work and do what they love, reinforcing the value of having interests beyond just the job title.

January 28, 2026Episode 70929 min

709: Catherine Mattis is an Accountant & Comedian [podcast]

Catherine Mattis shares her journey from overcoming a fear of public speaking to performing stand-up comedy across the New York. She explains how comedy has helped her find her voice, improve her resiliency, and become a more confident communicator, all skills she uses daily as a public accountant. Catherine emphasizes the importance of having passions outside of work, ensuring she avoids an identity crisis as work changes happen. She also discusses her positive workplace culture at LVBW, where differences are celebrated and personal interests are openly embraced. Catherine keeps her workplace humor appropriate and finds that clients and colleagues are genuinely curious about her comedy background. Her biggest advice: your hobbies matter and the right environment will appreciate and support who you truly are. Episode Highlights · Catherine emphasizes the importance of having something outside of work to avoid an identity crisis. Comedy helped her discover who she truly is. · Performing comedy, especially dealing with tough crowds and bombed sets, has helped her develop resilience that translates directly into handling feedback and challenges at work. · She points out that being "naturally funny" is just a starting point. Consistent practice, writing, and effort are what make someone good at comedy, or any skill. · Catherine stresses how a supportive and human-focused work environment makes it easier (and more motivating) to bring your whole self to work and build real relationships. · She encourages listeners not to hide their passions and hobbies, as sharing them openly leads to authenticity, better energy, and sometimes even helps you find the right people and organizations to surround yourself with.