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A biweekly conversation around tech, web development, and WordPress with hosts Aurooba Ahmed and Brian Coords.

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April 29, 2024Episode 1429 min

Exploring the Interactivity API in WordPress Part 2

Aurooba and Brian dig deeper into the WordPress Interactivity API. This episode mostly focuses on the HTML directives they used in their custom blocks, how they work with block markup, and how the Interactivity API uses them to hydrate data. Along the way they also compare it to other templating and logic tools like the ones in Laravel and Next.js from previous episodes.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/discussions/categories/interactivity-api?discussions_q=is%3Aopen+category%3A%22Interactivity+API%22https://twitter.com/SethRubensteinhttps://twitter.com/DevelopWoohttps://developer.wordpress.org/block-editor/reference-guides/packages/packages-interactivity/packages-interactivity-api-referenceBrian's website – https://www.briancoords.comAurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - S03E14 Sequence (00:09) - Introduction (01:21) - Packages vs Feature Plugins (04:24) - Browsing the Documentation (08:24) - Preview of our frontend block (09:53) - HTML Directives (13:12) - Conventions for binding and events handlers (16:31) - Callbacks and Actions (18:37) - State, Context and Loops (20:04) - Using Attributes and Hydration (24:01) - Wrapping up and Next Steps

April 15, 2024Episode 1336 min

Exploring the Interactivity API in WordPress Part 1

So begins another project! This time back inside WordPress. Brian and Aurooba discuss the Interactivity API in WordPress. They explore how to use the API, the challenges they faced, and the benefits it provides. They also touch on JavaScript modules and how they are used in the context of the Interactivity API. The conversation ends with a discussion about future topics to cover in the series as they build out the plugin using the API.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!Quick Start Guide - https://developer.wordpress.org/block-editor/reference-guides/packages/packages-interactivity/#quick-start-guideInteractivity API Proposal - https://make.wordpress.org/core/2023/03/30/proposal-the-interactivity-api-a-better-developer-experience-in-building-interactive-blocks/WP Movies - https://wpmovies.dev/Our demo repo - https://github.com/viewSourcePodcast/vs-reading-listBrian's website – https://www.briancoords.comAurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - Introduction (01:12) - Introducing the next project! (03:23) - What is the Interactivity API? (06:00) - The WooCommerce usecase (07:18) - How Interactivity API fits into the larger picture (10:02) - The Alpine.js Comparison (11:57) - So what project are we building? (15:24) - Tracking the list with Local Storage (16:44) - Using a resource already being loaded on the site (19:55) - How do you get started with the Interactivity API? (21:45) - What are JavaScript Modules? (32:56) - What's next in the series?

April 1, 2024Episode 1244 min

Font Library in WordPress 6.5

Aurooba and Brian dig into the Font Library - a flagship feature launching in WordPress 6.5. Along the way they discuss the long road getting it into core, some user interface issues, and the future of "composability" in WordPress.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!Fonts in WP Tavern - https://wptavern.com/a-pared-back-web-fonts-api-may-land-in-wordpress-6-0-or-not-at-allRich Tabor - Composability - https://rich.blog/theme-composition/WordPress 6.5 - https://make.wordpress.org/core/6.5Brian's Tavern Article - https://wptavern.com/synced-pattern-overrides-punted-font-library-approved-as-wordpress-6-5-nears-releaseBrian's website – https://www.briancoords.comAurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - S02E12 - Font Library (00:09) - Intro and WordPress 6.5 (03:08) - Font Library and Developers Naming Things (05:05) - Release Landing Page, Playground, and WP CLI (09:49) - Styles Panel in the Site Editor (13:23) - Typography Panel and Tech issues (18:05) - Variants and Variable Fonts (19:52) - Google Fonts and GDPR (21:43) - Saving changes in the site editor (24:58) - Font Library's Journey to Core (28:01) - Ongoing Discussion for the Font Library (32:25) - The Hosting Companies Responsibility (35:47) - Composability

March 18, 2024Episode 1144 min

Comparing Next.js and WordPress Deployment Processes

Let's discuss the process of deploying Next.js applications using Vercel and explore the benefits of exploring different platforms and paradigms. We dive into the process of getting a project live with Vercel but discuss comparisons in the WordPress world, the complicated nature of deployment in WordPress, how different platforms handle them, and the role continuous integration plays into all of it.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!- Vercel – https://vercel.com/- What is utility-first CSS – https://heydonworks.com/article/what-is-utility-first-css/- Brian's website – https://www.briancoords.com- Aurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - S02E11 - Next.js Part 5 (00:37) - Familar tools are easier to wrap your head around (03:22) - On Deployment in the WordPress space (09:02) - First Look at Vercel Deployment (10:38) - Environment Variables (12:56) - Errors on first Vercel Deployment (13:31) - Using Vercel CLI (16:16) - How Deployments work (17:18) - Thinking in PRs (17:57) - Exploring the Deployment UI in Vercel (18:40) - Deployment UIs around the web (19:15) - Comparing to Netlify (20:21) - Taking your Vercel Project live (22:56) - Comparing to WordPress Deployments (24:56) - Prebuilt Deployments with Vercel (25:26) - Can you get to this level of deployment in WordPress? (29:29) - Continuous Integration (32:19) - The Advantage of continuous integration tools (34:22) - The value of not committing built files to the repo (35:29) - Cross-pollination between WordPress and other spaces (36:31) - Web Development is more complicated now (37:13) - The slow modernization of WordPress (37:50) - Takeaways from the Next.js Series (41:09) - CSS in JavaScript: a tangent (44:09) - What's Next?

March 4, 2024Episode 1044 min

Building a NextJS Application Part 4 - Supabase

Wrapping up the functionality of their Next.js application, Brian and Aurooba look at CRUD operations: how to create, read, update, and delete (ok, maybe not delete) data by using Supabase as a database. They talk about structuring your database, when to update state while saving data, dynamic pages in Next.js and more.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!Supabase - https://supabase.com/Next.js - https://nextjs.org/WP Audit - https://wpaudit.site/Brian's website – https://www.briancoords.comAurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - S02E10 - Nextjs 4 (00:10) - Intro - What is CRUD (04:52) - Supabase (08:47) - Frontend Preview (10:22) - Our Bug and Async Data Effects (14:46) - Architecting Databases and Structure (23:00) - File structure and dynamic routes (24:59) - Client and Server Components for Supabase (30:04) - When to visually show data (34:40) - Planning vs Building First (36:21) - Queries in Components (40:39) - Planning for Database Migrations (42:55) - Next Episode Preview

February 19, 2024Episode 945 min

Diving into the Next.js 14 App Router

Continuing the series on Next.js, Aurooba and Brian take a look at a Next.js version of https://wpaudit.site complete with a login set up and ability to save your own checklist.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!- Next.js 14 App Router - https://nextjs.org/docs/app- Brian's website – https://www.briancoords.com- Aurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - Introduction (00:18) - Next.js' relationship with React (04:25) - Really exploring Next.js (07:34) - The Next.js clone of WPAudit.site (09:08) - Styling the login page to match (12:30) - Creating Pages in Next.js (13:14) - Generating opengraph images in Next.js (14:47) - Folder based page routes (16:51) - Next.js 14 Server components (18:41) - Caching in Next.js (19:29) - Loading Experiences in React (21:20) - Using Middleware in Next.js (23:15) - Fetching data in Next.js 14 (24:51) - Server Actions in Next.js 14 (27:55) - Using Vanilla-Extract for styling (35:01) - Why use CSS-in-JS? (36:18) - How CoPilot helps you do grunt dev work (39:37) - Saving the Checklist for each user (41:16) - Looking at the Audit table in Supabase (42:14) - Balancing current project needs with future needs (43:53) - Conclusion

February 5, 2024Episode 849 min

Building a Next.js Application - Part 2

Continue the journey of building a Next.js application as Aurooba explains how to use Supabase to handle all aspects of user authentication in your app, including user accounts, email notifications, and session data. They also dig into server vs client side differences.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!Supabase - https://supabase.com/Supabase SSR - https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/server-side/creating-a-clientAuthUI - https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/auth-helpers/auth-uiGravity Forms - https://www.gravityforms.com/Next.js App Router - https://nextjs.org/docs/appBrian's website – https://www.briancoords.comAurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - S2 E08 (00:08) - Intro Rant (01:43) - Decisions and Planning (04:11) - Today's Topic - Authentication (07:06) - The Supabase Admin UI (09:54) - Authentication UI in Supabase (15:35) - UI versus Config Files or CLIs (17:30) - Frontend Preview - What are we building? (20:38) - AuthUI (23:58) - Our package.json and Cookies (26:32) - Folder Structure (29:17) - Setting up a Supabase Client (35:33) - Submitting Forms to Supabase (38:45) - Session Data and Server-side Console (41:24) - Scaffolds and Boilerplates (42:29) - Flexibility vs Effort (48:40) - Next episode

January 22, 2024Episode 732 min

Next.js Part 1.5

In this conversation, Brian and Aurooba discuss various topics related to Next.js development. They explore the importance of deeper understanding, the decisions involved in styling and storage in JavaScript applications, the advantages of CSS-in-JS libraries, the choice of Supabase as the database solution, handling user authentication, and selecting an email service for communication.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!- StyleX – https://stylexjs.com/- Vanilla Extract – https://vanilla-extract.style/- Supabase – https://supabase.com/- Cassidy's post – https://blog.cassidoo.co/post/annoyed-at-react/- Brian's website – https://www.briancoords.com- Aurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - Introduction (02:09) - The Decisions You have to make in Next.js projects (04:11) - How should we style things? (06:50) - CSS-in-JS (09:35) - The problem with CSS-in-JS (11:31) - Styling Approach Options (19:15) - How will we store data? (19:35) - Say no to Firebase (20:56) - Choosing Supabase (24:35) - How will we authenticate users? (28:05) - Choosing an Email service (30:58) - Staging environments are becoming more important (31:41) - What's next?

January 8, 2024Episode 644 min

Building with Next.js - Part 1

Aurooba and Brian kick of a new series all about Next.js. What is Next.js and when is the right time to use it for a project? Along the way they spin up a new application and talk about the build process, file structure, and where you might host your Next application.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!Next.js Docs - https://nextjs.org/docsNext.js Templates - https://vercel.com/templates/next.jsWPAudit.site - https://wpaudit.site/Brian's website – https://www.briancoords.comAurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - S02 E06 (00:09) - Our Next Topic: Next.JS (01:20) - What exactly is Next.JS? (06:42) - What problems does Next.JS solve? (13:35) - Setup and hosting for Next.js (18:19) - Spinning up a project (23:41) - Typescript and Typed Languages (25:18) - The Directory Structure (26:28) - Scripts Styles and Optimization (30:17) - Next.js Default Frontend (31:54) - Documentation in Next.JS (35:20) - What are we building? (40:02) - Why Next.js

December 11, 2023Episode 533 min

We want to see more releases like WordPress 6.4

Brian nicknamed the WordPress 6.4 release the "warm and fuzzy" release, and we explore our favourite features that landed in WordPress Core as part of it. We also found a bug, file it, and talk about how to file a bug well so that it'll get fixed.A full transcript of the episode is available on the website. Watch the video podcast on YouTube and subscribe to our channel and newsletter to hear about episodes (and more) first!- Release Page - https://wordpress.org/download/releases/6-4/- 6.4 Field Guide - https://make.wordpress.org/core/2023/10/23/wordpress-6-4-field-guide/- The lightbox bug we found - https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/56049- Seth explains the Interactivity API - https://twitter.com/SethRubenstein/status/1722653807505531343- Brian's website – https://www.briancoords.com- Aurooba's website – https://aurooba.com (00:00) - Introduction (00:22) - How quickly do you update? (02:20) - Our general reaction to WordPress 6.4 (04:46) - Taking a closer look at the Twenty Twenty Four theme (07:47) - The Persona Approach to the Twenty Twenty Four theme (11:57) - Renaming Groups in the Block Editor (15:26) - The Media Panel (18:43) - Image Thumbnails in List View (20:10) - The Lightbox (21:00) - The Interactivty API (22:44) - Finding a Bug in the Lightbox feature (24:59) - Filing a bug in the Gutenberg Repository (28:07) - How to file a bug well (33:31) - Conclusion