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Leveraging Trepp’s market expertise and proprietary data sets, The TreppWire Podcast enables listeners to stay up-to-date on all things commercial real estate, structured finance and banking. Featuring Trepp subject matter experts and guests from across the industry, the weekly podcast explores how recent events have impacted both the markets and the daily lives of market participants. Questions or comments? Please contact us at podcast@trepp.com.

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September 11, 202655 min

421. Beyond the Headlines: Office Distress, a $30.6B Multifamily Maturity Test, & Western CRE’s Mixed Signals | LIVE at California MBA's WSCREF

In a special live edition of The TreppWire Podcast recorded at the California MBA Western States CREF conference, we dig into why today’s CRE market can seem so contradictory and what the data says when you look beyond the national headlines. We break down the three clocks driving CRE today: property performance, capital markets, and credit. We examine the uneven Western office recovery, life sciences distress, why Western multifamily is outperforming the Sun Belt despite a $30.6 billion maturity test, and whether self-storage is flashing an early warning for housing. Plus, we follow two properties through very different cycles to show how performance, value, and credit can tell completely different stories. Tune in now. Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

September 8, 202649 min

420. The Art of Storytelling in Commercial Real Estate with Spencer Levy, Host of CBRE’s The Weekly Take

In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Spencer Levy, Global Client Strategist and Senior Economic Advisor at CBRE and host of CBRE's podcast, The Weekly Take. Spencer shares how his diverse career spanning law, investment banking, and capital markets shapes his perspective on the commercial real estate industry and the trends influencing today's market. Throughout the conversation, Spencer emphasizes the value of relationships, communication, and strategic thinking, particularly in landlord-tenant dynamics and business decision-making. He offers insights into the current commercial real estate environment, discussing the impact of sustained high interest rates and the industry's growing focus on NOI growth and revenue generation over exit cap rates. Spencer also explores the power of storytelling, drawing on his experience hosting The Weekly Take, and explains how podcasting has expanded his network, credibility, and reach across the industry. Tune in now. Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

September 4, 202658 min

419. Back to School, Back to Price Discovery: The 5% Treasury Test, College Football’s $6.1B Student Housing Connection

In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the latest moves in rates and capital markets as the 10-year Treasury approaches 5%. We discuss what higher long-term yields mean for CRE and why capital continues to move despite the higher-rate environment. In Digging Through the Data, we kick off college football season with a surprising look at $6.1 billion of securitized student housing debt near AP Top 25 schools and debate the long-term outlook for student versus senior housing. We also cover Ares and Scion's $435 million student housing acquisition, a Houston multifamily loan in special servicing despite 93% occupancy, two very different office stories, major industrial portfolio activity, and a surprise mall payoff despite a nearly 50% drop in appraised value. Tune in now. Episode notes: (00:00) Economic Update (13:00) College Football & Student Housing (25:30) Student Housing Deals & Outlook (35:35) Multifamily & Office Stories (44:43) Industrial & Retail Stories (51:06) Programming Notes (53:11) Shoutouts Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

September 1, 202637 min

418. How CRE Lending is Changing: Bigger Deals, Data Center Capital, & AI with Catherine Sierakowski, BMO Capital Markets

In this special guest episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we sit down with Catherine Sierakowski, Managing Director & Group Head of Corporate Banking, North American Real Estate at BMO Capital Markets. Catherine reflects on her nearly 20-year career at BMO, from starting in banking during the Global Financial Crisis to helping build the firm's institutional real estate platform and now leading its North American real estate corporate banking business. We discuss how CRE lending has evolved from traditional balance sheet lending to more strategic capital solutions, along with where Catherine sees opportunity in today’s CRE market. We explore the explosive growth of the data center sector and the unique challenges of financing assets that sit at the intersection of real estate, technology, power, and corporate credit. Catherine shares her perspective on relationship-driven lending, effective client engagement, and the importance of balancing AI-driven insights with experienced human judgment. Tune in now. Episode Notes • Start at BMO (0:00) • Real Estate Cycles (4:20) • BMO Banking Strategy (8:23) • Massive Data Center Deals Pricing (15:56) • Where to Find Opportunity in CRE (24:54) • How Transforms Lending (28:32) • Shoutouts & Closing (33:40) Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

August 28, 202652 min

417. Who Writes the Next Check? Fund Redemptions, Cash-Out Refinancing Trends, & CRE Workouts

In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the latest PCE inflation data and what the fine print could mean for rates, plus new Canadian tariffs and another potential hit to construction costs. We also cover Dick’s Sporting Goods’ record stock drop and continued struggles at Foot Locker, Google’s unusual $10 million purchase of Spirit Airlines’ internal corporate data, and the $2.2 billion redemption queue testing liquidity at Invesco’s real estate fund. We dig into the return of cash-out refinancing, and why today’s borrowers are taking less equity off the table than they did at the market peak. We close with five CRE distress stories that trace the spectrum of outcomes for impaired assets, from successful modifications and fresh equity buying time to sponsor liquidity shortfalls, foreclosure, and a staggering 98% valuation cut. Tune in now. Episode notes: () Macro Update: PCE Inflation, Rounding & Rate Outlook () Canadian Tariffs Add to Construction Cost Pressures () Dick's Sporting Goods' Record Drop & Foot Locker Weakness () Google's $10M Purchase of Spirit Airlines' Data () Invesco's $2.2B Redemption Queue ()Cash-In vs. Cash-Out Refinancing () Five CRE Distress Stories: Who Writes the Next Check? () Programming Notes () Shoutouts Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

August 21, 202648 min

416. The Bond Market Bites Back: Treasury Intervention, AI’s $3 Trillion Bet, Office Loans Below Breakeven, & Forced CRE Sales

In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack a volatile week in the bond market as the 30-year Treasury yield climbed above 5.3%, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent stepped in with expanded long-term buybacks, and much of the initial market reaction quickly reversed. We discuss what the move says about the battle over long-term rates, growing capital demands, and whether the Fed's next move could actually be a hike. In AI, increasingly complex financing structures and roughly $3 trillion in off-balance-sheet commitments are raising new questions about leverage, interconnected risk, and just how much has to go right for the infrastructure boom to pay off. We then examine $12.1 billion of performing securitized office loans with DSCRs below 1.0x, including surprisingly well-occupied properties, and the maturity wall that could force borrowers to confront those cash-flow shortfalls. We close with major CRE transactions, including Rexford Industrial's $1.2 billion portfolio sale and a wave of maturity- and distress-driven hotel sales in California. Tune in now. Episode notes: (00:00) Macro Update: Yields, Buybacks & Fed Hike Talk (11:28) Goldman Sachs Buys LCN Capital (16:54) Data Center Deals & $3T Commitments (28:07) Office Loans Below Breakeven (37:19) Rexford's $1.2B Sale & Hotel Distress (42:50) Programming Notes (44:31) Shoutouts Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

August 18, 202640 min

415. The Retail Story Everyone Gets Wrong with Jim Dillavou, Paragon Commercial Group

In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Jim Dillavou, co-founder and principal at Paragon Commercial Group, a retail investment and development firm. Jim left a career as a real estate and finance attorney to launch Paragon after the global financial crisis, betting on necessity retail when almost no one else wanted the asset class. He explains why treating retail as one asset class is misleading, and how grocery-anchored centers built on daily trips deliver durable cashflow across cycles. Jim also walks us through why institutional capital is lining up for the sector and still struggling to get in. We cover the value-add work most investors avoid, from repositioning drugstore boxes and out parcels to vetting mom-and-pop tenants with no credit behind them. Jim closes with what COVID revealed about tenant quality and why he believes this is not a guesswork business. Tune in now. Episode notes: • From Big Law to Buying Retail in the GFC (1:17) • Defining Necessity Retail & Why Nuance Matters (3:23) • Why Capital Cannot Easily Get Into the Sector (7:00) • Fixed Rent Bumps & the Shift to Risk-Off Capital (9:34) • Retailer Failures, Mark-to-Market Upside & an Operator's Market (14:44) • Value-Add Playbook: Demising Boxes, Drugstores & Out Parcels (20:28) • Tenant Mix, Cross-Shopping & the Mom-and-Pop Surprise (25:41) • Vetting Non-Credit Tenants, Elbow Space & Final Take (31:24) Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

August 14, 20261 hr 2 min

414. The AI Capital Boom, Stubborn Treasury Yields, Office Bets, & Insurance Relief

In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the latest inflation and jobs data, what it could mean for the Fed, and why long-term Treasury yields and CRE borrowing costs may remain elevated. We also dig into the extraordinary scale of the AI capital boom, from surging hyperscaler bond issuance to Nvidia’s $500 billion financing initiative, new compute futures, and growing questions around credit and the pace of the AI buildout. In CRE, we discuss AI’s growing footprint in San Francisco office, a new contrarian fund betting on the office sector’s recovery, major multifamily and data center deals, and moves across retail and lodging. Plus, we examine Trepp data showing signs of relief in Florida multifamily insurance costs after years of sharp increases, and what that means for underwriting going forward. Tune in now. Episode notes: Macro Update (00:00) AI Economy (9:15) Hyperscaler Data Center Trends (11:48) Compute Trading Evolution (18:56) Florida Insurance Data (26:24) Office Transactions (34:51) Multifamily & Data Center Deals (42:31) Retail & Lodging Stories (49:15) Programming Notes & Shoutouts (55:39) Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com. Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

August 11, 202629 min

413. Inside Nomura's Return to CRE Finance with CMBS Industry Icon Larry Kravetz

In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Larry Kravetz, Head of U.S. Commercial Real Estate (CRE) and Commercial Mortgage-Backed Securities (CMBS) at Nomura, to discuss the firm’s return to CRE finance and the expansion of a full-service CRE platform. With more than 30 years of experience in the industry, including helping launch Lehman Brothers' large-loan CMBS business in the 1990s and later leading U.S. CRE Finance at Barclays, Larry reflects on his career, the evolution of the CMBS market, and how lessons from past market cycles are shaping today's CRE landscape. We explore the resilience of today's CRE market, the continued momentum behind SASB issuance, CMBS's role in providing liquidity during periods of market disruption, and the opportunities and challenges surrounding data center financing. Larry also shares his outlook for the market ahead, Nomura's rapid growth in CRE finance, and the career advice that has guided him throughout his decades in the industry. Tune in now. Episode Notes (0:00) Larry's Background (11:47) Nomura's Return (15:21) State of of the Market (20:13) Data Centers & More (24:10) What's Next in CRE (26:26) Career Advice (28:21) Closing Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com . Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp

August 7, 202659 min

412. Refinancing, Right-Sizing, & Repositioning: $5.49B in CMBS Hard Maturities, Camden Heads South, & Apollo's Austin Bet

In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down mixed economic signals as stronger manufacturing activity contrasts with softer labor market data. At the same time, higher interest rates continue to pressure housing and commercial real estate. We also dig into what CMBS hard maturities reveal about refinancing risk, why current loan performance can mask looming maturity challenges, and what those trends mean for lenders and investors. Then we cover several notable CRE headlines, including the $3.3 billion financing for New York City's 350 Park Avenue development, Best Buy's continued expansion of smaller-format stores, Apollo's official plans for a second headquarters in Austin, and what Diamond Rock’s earnings reveal about today's increasingly K-shaped economy. We also discuss the surprising strength of Austin's newest office buildings, discuss signs that the Airbnb investment boom may be reversing as listings flood the market, and examine why demand for data centers continues to surge despite growing development constraints. Tune in now. Episode notes: Macro Update: Mixed Economic Signals (0:28) Camden Property Trust leaving California (5:41) Diamond Rock’s Earnings (10:54) Apollo’s Second Headquarters in Austin (21:34) $5.49B in CMBS Hard Maturities (27:34) $3.3 Billion Office Development Loan (41:38) Data Center Regulation in Lewton County (48:04) Programming Notes (53:43) Shoutouts (56:49) Questions or comments? Contact us at podcast@trepp.com . Follow Trepp: X: www.x.com/TreppWire LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/trepp