
Sacred Work: Philanthropy as a Family Practice with Caren Yanis
The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Sacred Work: Philanthropy as a Family Practice with Caren Yanis Episode Summary In this episode of The Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Caren Yanis, founder of Croland Consulting, former executive director of Oprah Winfrey's personal and corporate charities, and former president of Crown Family Philanthropies. Caren brings decades of experience guiding ultra-high-net-worth families through the governance and strategy of giving together across generations. She explains the inflection points that trigger family philanthropy, why families with "no natural predators" must build their own guardrails, and why she insists on consensus over majority rule at the family table. Chris and Caren explore the difference between transactional and transformational giving through the lens of Jay Hughes's five capitals, how founders can protect the rising generation's voice, and why swapping the word "philanthropy" for "purpose" can change a family's trajectory. Whether you have a family office or a few dollars and some time, this conversation offers a practical path to giving with intention and bringing your family along. Episode Chapters · 00:00 – Introduction: Meet Caren Yanis · 02:10 – How families get attuned to where they are called to give · 03:40 – Inflection points that trigger family philanthropy, and the need for a steward · 05:00 – "No natural predators": why UHNW families must build their own guardrails · 06:40 – Who sits at the table, job descriptions, and the meeting agreement · 08:50 – Consensus vs. majority rule, and what consensus really means · 10:40 – Transactional vs. transformational giving; Jay Hughes's five capitals and spiritual capital · 12:50 – DAF or private foundation? The wrong first question · 14:35 – Power imbalance: protecting the rising generation's voice · 17:10 – A year-one playbook for a family just starting to give together · 19:40 – Perpetuity vs. spend-down; unlocking capital through impact investing · 21:30 – Diligence, risk tolerance, site visits and convening grantees · 23:50 – Where philanthropy comes from: Carnegie, Rockefeller and Maimonides' ladder · 26:05 – What giving does to us; primary, secondary and tertiary benefits · 28:35 – Three questions to start with; philanthropic asset mapping · 30:10 – When to bring in an advisor; decision-making as the stuck point · 33:05 – What is "enough"? Chuck Feeney and Die with Zero · 35:10 – Substitute "purpose" for "philanthropy" · 36:20 – Final thoughts, resources and how to connect with Caren Websites · CrolandConsulting.com · National Center for Family Philanthropy (ncfp.org) · Center for Effective Philanthropy (cep.org) · The Chronicle of Philanthropy (philanthropy.com) Books · The Billionaire Who Wasn't by Conor O'Clery (the Chuck Feeney story) · Die with Zero by Bill Perkins LinkedIn · Caren Yanis About Caren Yanis Caren is a philanthropy sherpa, helping families and companies plan philanthropic journeys that unite stakeholders, ensure they have the tools they need, and prepare them for collective success. Her practice focuses on transformational governance and strategy. Caren ran the Oprah Winfrey Foundations during the period of Oprah's Angel Network and partnered with the Nelson Mandela Foundation on Oprah's school building projects in South Africa. Following that she was president of Crown Family Philanthropies in Chicago. Caren is a field builder and is a frequent keynote speaker and podcast guest. Caren chaired the board of the Poetry Foundation through a reorg until 2024. She served as Vice Chair of the Impact Guild until 2026 and served three terms as a member of the Board of Visitors at the Lilly Family School of Philanthropy at IU. She currently sits on the advisory board of the Women's Philanthropy Institute. She teaches and speaks at a variety of universities including the University of Chicago's Booth School and at the Spertus Institute. Caren understands the social change landscape. She has a passion for listening deeply, navigating challenges, and guiding people who have a commitment to purpose and the ability to change the world in effective and sustainable ways. www.CrolandConsulting.com














