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The Project Chatter Podcast

The Project Chatter Podcast

Hosted by Dale Foong and Val Matthews

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224

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Aug 2026

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Welcome to Project Chatter, the podcast where project professionals, specialists and experts from various sectors talk about the latest trends in project management and PMO. Listen to Val and Dale as they talk about tried and tested best practices and share their unfiltered thoughts about the industry. Whether you're here to learn how to progress your career, improve your project controls skills, or just want to hear an Aussie and South African rant about projects, then you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Project Chatter Podcast, with your hosts Dale Foong and Val Matthews.

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August 22, 2026Episode 2231 hr 6 min

S10E223: Robots on Site - Why Humanoids Won't Build Your Project with Eliot Dixon

Every robotics demo looks the same: a humanoid doing kung fu, a humanoid dancing, a humanoid folding laundry. Eliot Dixon has spent his career in the parts of robotics that never make the showreel, and his view is blunt. The humanoid form factor exists because human environments are a compromise, not because it is the best way to get work done. Eliot's route into robotics started on a farm and a deep dislike of tractors. Physics, then a robotics degree, then years at Dstl working on sensing and UAVs, then Tata Motors building an autonomous vehicle for UK roads that was ultimately headed for the chaos of Indian ones. From there into ag tech, leading robotics and AI at Agri-EPI Centre, and now into infrastructure and construction. That path gives him an uncomfortable message for our sector. Agriculture has already run the experiment. Brilliantly engineered robotic systems, well funded, technically successful, and commercially dead, because they demanded that the entire farm change around them. As Eliot puts it, you are not designing a robot. You are designing a farm. Swap in construction and the warning lands the same way. So what actually works on a site today? Inspection and monitoring. Quadrupeds running nightly LIDAR scans, compared against the BIM, feeding tomorrow's work plan instead of a six-monthly architect's report. And the economics are shifting fast: platforms that cost well over £100,000 are now available at a few thousand for smaller sites. We also get into why drones are effectively grounded by UK airspace rules, why robotics almost never reduces headcount but changes the job mix instead, where the real return on investment hides, what data poisoning and teleoperated "autonomous" systems mean for trust, and why a dynamic construction site is a genuinely harder problem than a road in Delhi. In this episode: Why the humanoid is a compromise, not an endpoint The agricultural robotics failures construction is about to repeat Inspection and monitoring: the only mature site use case right now Nightly LIDAR against BIM, and the decision loop it creates The collapse in quadruped pricing and what it unlocks Why UK airspace, not technology, is the drone blocker Where robotics ROI actually comes from when nobody loses a job Autonomy 2.0, visual models, and the behaviour problem Strawberries, dexterity, and why touch feedback is so hard Eliot's closing advice for anyone briefing a roboticist Guest: Eliot Dixon, Roboverse Reply UK Hosts: Dale Foong and Val Matthews The Project Chatter Podcast is free to access and always will be. If you get value from it, pay it forward and share this episode with someone who needs it. Connect: Eliot Dixon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eliot-dixon/ Project Chatter: https://www.linkedin.com/company/projectchatterpodcast/?viewAsMember=trueWebsite: https://projectchatter.com/

August 7, 2026Episode 22253 min

S10E222: Why Great Project Leaders Go to the Movies with Dawn Mahan

What if the fastest way to align a project team wasn't another 47-slide deck, but a two-minute film clip? In Episode 222, Dale and Val sit down with Dawn Mahan, project leader, educator and author, to unpack why movies are surprisingly powerful tools for project leadership, communication and team alignment. Dawn coined the term "Project Land" to explain why the world of projects behaves so differently from the day job, and it has stuck with thousands of people since. We get into: Dawn's origin story, from Y2K coder to accidental project manager after one out-of-the-blue phone call Why Apollo 13, The Martian and The Matrix explain iteration, problem-solving and belief better than most training courses The real reason projects fail, and why the root cause almost always traces back to the start "Are you good?" vs "How do you feel?" and why that one change transformed how Dawn led teams Why communication is everyone's job, not just the project manager's Assessing people on ownership rather than leadership, and why that is fairer Trust, vulnerability and healthy conflict, drawing on The Five Dysfunctions of a Team Whether you are being parachuted into a live project or just trying to explain what you actually do to your family, this one is full of practical, human ways to lead people better. Dawn's books: Meet the Players in Project Land: Decide the Right Project Roles and Get People on Board Project Land Goes to the Movies: 22 Blockbuster Strategies for Project Success Connect with Dawn: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dawnmahan Instagram: instagram.com/dawnjmahan Project Guru Academy: linkedin.com/showcase/projectguruacademy PMOtraining on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/pmotraining PMOtraining on YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCLYJDA7-15rotZyEDEv8gyg PMOtraining on Facebook: facebook.com/PMOtiger This podcast is free and always will be. If you got value from it, pay it forward and share it with someone in your team. Stay safe, be disruptive, and have fun doing it.

July 21, 2026Episode 22149 min

S10E221: Scaling a Consultancy: Mindset, Margins and the 30% Rule with Josh Stone

Most consultancy owners can tell you their revenue. Very few can tell you their net profit. That gap is where the money quietly leaks out. In this Australia-only episode, Val sits down with Josh Stone, who grew a civil and structural consultancy from £3m to £30m over a decade, sold out, and now coaches 70+ engineering, surveying, architecture and town planning founders on how to build businesses that actually pay them back. We get into the commercial side we rarely cover on the show: Why 30% net profit should be your benchmark, and what to do if you are sat at 12% How to escape the generalist "red ocean" and charge what you are actually worth Why winning the work is only half the job, and how to stop client relationships living and dying with the founder The four-stage path from technician to conductor to lifestyle or investor A grounded take on AI in engineering, and why the founders experimenting now will outbid the ones who wait If you are stuck being the bottleneck in your own business, this is the practical, no-nonsense conversation to fix it. Guest: Josh Stone More from Project Chatter: www.projectchatter.com Free access, no paywalls. Keep liking, keep sharing, keep paying it forward.

June 26, 2026Episode 2201 hr 5 min

S10E220: Is Project Controls Behind on AI? | Yash Desai, Movar Reply

Most data scientists have never touched a project. Yash Desai looked at the project controls world through the data first, and what he found says a lot about why this industry lags behind others on AI. In Episode 220, Dale is joined by returning co-host Martin and first-time guest Yash Desai, Head of Data and AI at Movar Reply, for a practical conversation on where data, AI and robotics actually fit in project delivery. We cover why project controls sits behind other industries, what an orchestration layer really is, how to future-proof your role, the data scientist vs project controller debate, hiring for drive over a skills list, robotics on site today vs the hype, and the Fable situation. No buzzwords, just useful insight. Chapters:00:00 Welcome back01:38 Who is Yash Desai?04:09 Why project controls lags on AI09:44 What is an orchestration layer?14:23 Future-proofing your role22:48 Data scientist vs project controller33:26 Grads and the assurance layer36:17 Why robotics is getting interesting46:21 Robotics in one to two years52:10 Should governments regulate robotics?57:23 The Fable situation and 'Pragmatic'01:01:01 Final thoughts Connect with Yash: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yash-desai-00847216b/Subscribe to Pragmatic: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/pragmaitic-7347631768201535488/ A free-access podcast. Pay it forward and share it on. www.projectchatter.com

June 17, 2026Episode 21955 min

S10E219: Why 88% of Schedules Fail, and What AI Still Can't Fix with Michael Pink

88% of project schedules don't follow best practice. So why are we so keen to feed that data into AI and trust the output? In this episode, Dale and Val are joined by Michael Pink, Founder of SmartPM, for a sharp conversation on the forensic side of delay and the state of AI in project controls. Mike has analysed hundreds of thousands of schedules and built a career on working out who delayed what, and why nobody could ever agree. His core message: clean data is not the same as honest data. A technically tidy schedule can tell you a story that never happened, and if you point AI at it, you don't get insight, you get a confident wrong answer at scale. What we cover: Mike's route into construction, from a study-abroad debt to KPMG's construction consulting group 25 years of change in the people and process side of scheduling The shift from reactive forensic work to proactive project controls Data honesty vs data quality, and why integrity is the combination of both (framing credited to Isaac Dyer and Carlos Sanchez) The 88% problem: missing logic, inflated float and moving dates The compression factor, and the exact point a schedule becomes infeasible Why a weekly update beats a monthly one, for almost no extra time P6 vs Microsoft Project, and grading schedule quality across 35 metrics Where LLMs genuinely help, and why quantitative AI is still the long game The future of the scheduler: less building and cleaning, more strategy A genuinely optimistic look at where the profession is heading, and why this might be the best time yet to be in project controls. This episode is proudly sponsored by nPlan.nPlan Summer AI Day 2026: Construction Superintelligence takes place in London on Thursday 25 June 2026, with a fireside featuring Peter Hancock, Project Director at National Grid, and Dima Pogorelsky, MD and Partner at BCG. February's event sold out with standing room only. Register here: https://www.nplan.io/events/nplan-summer-ai-day-2026-construction-superintelligence Connect with Michael Pink at https://www.smartpm.com or on LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this episode, help us pay it forward and share it. Stay safe, be disruptive, and have fun doing it.

June 11, 2026Episode 21855 min

S10E218: Breaking into the job market in the age of AI, with Nick Chizuka

Top of his MBA class at the University of Bath, technically sharp, and still firing out 20 to 30 applications a day with little to show for it. Nick Chizuka joins Dale and Val for an honest conversation about what it takes to land a role in project controls and consulting right now, and why the rise of AI has made the graduate market tougher than it was even a year ago. It is a candid look at the gap between what universities teach and what employers actually want, the false choice between technical and soft skills, and where the real jobs of the next decade might come from. In this episode: Why a top MBA no longer guarantees a job, and what changed Technical skills vs soft skills, and why you need both The graduates' verdict on data, analytics and machine learning Robotics and physical AI as the next frontier The energy and infrastructure bottleneck nobody talks about Using the big firms as a springboard, not a destination Grit, discipline, and hiring for attitude over CV Nick's hard-won advice: don't get discouraged, get help, and network relentlessly A reminder that people are not their behaviours. Set the environment for success and the right person will fly. This episode is sponsored by nPlan. nPlan AI Day, Summer 2026: Construction Superintelligence Thursday 25 June 2026, from 3:00pmKachette, 347 Old St, London EC1V 9LP, and online nPlan's twice-yearly showcase returns with its biggest product moment of the year, including the launch of the nPlan Decision Intelligence Platform. The fireside brings together Peter Hancock, Project Director at National Grid on the Didcot substation, and Dima Pogorelsky, Managing Director and Partner at BCG, for a candid take on delivering the infrastructure behind the AI era. February sold out with standing room only, so book early. Register: https://www.nplan.io/events/nplan-summer-ai-day-2026-construction-superintelligence Listen, subscribe and follow Project Chatter wherever you get your podcasts. If you enjoyed this one, pay it forward and share the link. Stay safe, be disruptive, and have fun doing it.

May 1, 2026Episode 21755 min

S10E217: Lisa Silander on 30 Years in UK Project Controls

Dale and Val are joined by Lisa Silander, Global Practice and UK Technical Lead for Project Controls at AtkinsRéalis. With 30 years leading planning and project controls teams across aviation, rail, water, manufacturing, and nuclear, Lisa has shaped delivery on some of the UK's most demanding capital programmes including Heathrow Terminal 5, Heathrow Q6, the Heathrow Expansion Project, Thames Water AMP5, and Yorkshire Water AMP7. In this episode we cover: Lisa's career journey into project controls What attracted her to the discipline and kept her there for three decades The initiative she's leading to build UK project controls capability at AtkinsRéalis Why humans will always be involved in projects, even as AI reshapes the work The daily habits that have shaped her career Grit, determination, and the human side of leading high-performing teams Perspective as a woman building and leading teams in a complex industry A grounded, practical conversation with one of the most experienced voices in UK project controls. Connect with Lisa Silander on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-silander-fcasa-b078645/ Follow the Project Chatter Podcast: Website: https://www.projectchatter.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/projectchatterpodcastYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoudjc2m0ttmAkyvBnf8EnQSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6m6J87LIOHVoY9FlaAXp53Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-project-chatter-podcast/id1869579042 If you enjoyed this episode, please rate, review, and share with someone in your network. Keep listening, keep liking, and keep paying it forward.

April 22, 2026Episode 21642 min

S10E216: CaSA Digital Community of Practice Fight Night

We recently hosted the Controls and Skills Authority Digital Community of Practice Fight Night in Birmingham. This lively panel debate explores the impact of AI on project delivery, jobs, and industry practices. Experts challenge the notion that AI is just a tool or a threat, examining cultural, technical, and structural factors shaping AI adoption in construction and beyond. 3 Fights Culture is the No.1 Enabler for AI Adoption - Ronald Dyer vs Andrew Knight AI is just a tool, it won't replace jobs - Lisa Silander vs Marco Frisenda AI Does Not Improve Project Delivery - Sarah Crawley vs Kashan Ratyal https://www.controlsandskills.co.uk/

April 3, 2026Episode 2151 hr 21 min

S10E215: AI Regulation - Navigating the Future of Responsible Innovation with Isabela Parisio

In this episode, Isabela Parisio, a legal expert in AI regulation, shares insights on the challenges and opportunities of regulating artificial intelligence. Topics include regulatory sandboxes, definitions of AI, accountability, privacy, military applications, and the future of AI governance. Key Topics Regulatory sandboxes for AI testing Definitions and scope of AI Accountability and liability in AI systems Privacy concerns and data protection Military applications and ethical considerations Legal fictions and AI as a legal entity Policy development and international cooperation Chapters 03:59 Isabela's Background and Transition to AI 07:54 Intersection of Law and AI 11:07 Understanding Regulatory Sandboxes 14:44 Experimentation in AI Development 21:00 Privacy Concerns in AI 28:22 The Role of AI in Self-Regulation 34:39 The Human Element in Technological Advancement 39:30 AI in Military Applications: Accountability and Ethics 46:07 Navigating Accountability in AI Usage 56:40 Education and AI Literacy for Future Generations 01:01:41 The Legal Status of AI: A New Frontier 01:11:36 The Future of AI: Ethical Considerations and Governance Resources Responsible AI UK - https://responsibleaiuk.org/ European Union AI Act - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52021PC0206 Johns Hopkins University AI Policy - https://www.jhu.edu/ King's College London AI Research - https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ Bicentennial Man (Movie) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118571/ UK Data Protection Laws - https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/ California AI Legislation - https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa AI Summit 2023 - https://aibusiness.com/events/ai-summit-2023/

March 20, 2026Episode 21456 min

S10E214: Understanding the Complexity of Modern Data Centers with Dr Atif Ansar

In this episode of the Project Chatter podcast, Val and Dale welcome Atif Ansar, co-founder of Foresight, to discuss the rapidly evolving world of data centers. Atif shares insights on the explosive growth and increasing complexity of data centers, highlighting the challenges related to energy supply, skilled labor, and technology redundancy. The conversation explores the role of AI in enhancing data center design and construction, the impact of edge computing, and the skills needed for future project professionals in this dynamic field. Atif also touches on innovative concepts like space-based data centers, emphasizing the exciting opportunities and challenges that lie ahead. In this conversation, the speakers explore the intersection of creativity and AI, discussing how technology influences project management and the future of jobs. They emphasize the importance of human essence in a technology-driven world and the evolving nature of data centers amidst global competition. The discussion also touches on the necessity of adapting to technological advancements and the potential for superintelligence in the future. Takeaways 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Data centers are experiencing explosive growth, with construction volume increasing significantly. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ The complexity of data centers has evolved, making them more akin to industrial assets than simple warehouses. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Data centers require substantial energy, land, and skilled labor, creating challenges in construction. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ The lifespan of data centers is long, but technology within them evolves rapidly, leading to potential obsolescence. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ AI can significantly enhance the design and construction processes of data centers. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Edge computing complements data centers, creating a fractal-like relationship between different computing structures. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Project professionals should focus on becoming subject matter experts while also being adaptable and open to using AI.🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ The energy supply for data centers is a critical constraint, but innovation in self-supply and renewable energy is emerging. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Understanding the components and costs associated with data centers is essential for project professionals. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ The future of data centers may include innovative concepts like space-based facilities. Creativity enhances the effectiveness of project management. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ AI allows generalists to be more valuable than specialists. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Human jobs will evolve rather than disappear due to AI. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ The demand for human-specific jobs will be based on human preferences. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Technological advancements can improve quality of life and efficiency. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ The luxuries of one generation become necessities for the next. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ We are transitioning from an analog to a digital world. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Data centers are crucial in the global tech race. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ The construction of data centers will continue to grow exponentially. 🏗️👷🏼‍♀️ Continuous learning is essential in a rapidly changing technological landscape. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 01:58 The Growth and Complexity of Data Centers 05:23 Key Components of Data Centers 08:01 The Future of Data Centers in Space 11:24 Energy Supply Challenges for Data Centers 15:30 Technology Redundancy and Lifespan of Data Centers 20:43 Edge Computing and Its Impact 23:58 AI's Role in Data Center Design and Construction 27:29 Skills for Future Project Professionals in Data Centers 30:44 The Intersection of Creativity and AI 33:46 The Future of Jobs in an AI World 36:18 Human Essence in the Age of Technology 39:39 The Evolution of Technology and Human Experience 43:42 Data Center Dynamics and Global Competition 52:11 The Future of Project Management and Technology #ProjectManagement #PMO #ProjectControls #Leadership #Culture #ProjectCertifications

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