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The Mom Founders Table

The Mom Founders Table

Hosted by Kelsea Koenreich

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251

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Oct 2026

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A podcast for mom founders and entrepreneurs to pull up a seat and partner with Kelsea Koenreich, strategic business coach, deep thought partner to mom founders and a millionaire mom of 3. Every week you will get tactical guidance to apply to your business, leadership and life that will help you further your true success while also being invited into a new way of thinking and being that creates true freedom. Kelsea highlights women looking for more time-freedom

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October 28, 2026Episode 12216 min

What to Do When You’ve Outgrown the Business You Built

I spent time recently with seven- and nine-figure female founders, and the deepest conversations surprised me. From the outside, you would expect everyone at that level to want more of the same. The more honest people got, the more they talked about building something that no longer fits the season they are in. Episode Overview This episode is a piece of my heart. 2026 has been the most reflective and challenging year I can remember. I have been re-evaluating, recalibrating and outgrowing parts of what I built, all while carrying the same responsibilities as a mom and a business owner. I share what I have learned about founder-dependent businesses, why so many of us stay stuck in models we have outgrown, and how to start making decisions based on the life you want. In This Episode Learn why the gap between knowing you need to change and acting on it keeps so many established founders stuck Get the one question to filter every decision, commitment and yes through so your business moves you toward the life you want Find out why the first step out of overwhelm is having someone look at the big picture of your business with you Hear why being well resourced and asking for help before you think you need it is the lesson that kept showing up for me this year Walk away with permission to love your work deeply and still have boundaries, hobbies and time for your health I have met so many founders who are rich in money and broke everywhere else. I have been that founder. I have let my business take over my life, carried an enormous amount of mom guilt and run businesses that depended completely on me. That is why I am so passionate about redesigning businesses so women get their lives back. It does not matter if you want a $100K business or a $100M business. It needs to be what you want. You have to live in your home, your body and your mind. We do not get these years with our children back, so look at what you have built and ask whether it still gives you time for what matters most. Get your free Founder’s Business Analysis Fill out a five-minute form and I will review your business personally. Then we will meet for a private business review call to look at your biggest constraints, where you are leaving money on the table, and what to stop, simplify or change. Start here: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/the-founders-business-analysis?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep122 Want to be in the right room? City Girls is an intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep122 Work with Kelsea I redesign the infrastructure of successful businesses so you keep your revenue and lifestyle and can finally breathe again. I am now booking into 2027, including VIP days. Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep122 Follow @kelseakoenreich

October 21, 2026Episode 12147 min

How to Scale Your Business Without Social Media

A seven-figure business, an email list of about 5,000 people, and less than an hour a week on social media. Holly built all three with twin daughters at home who are about to turn 13 and still don’t have phones. A business that kept her glued to her own phone never made sense for her family, so she built one that runs without it. Episode Overview Holly spent 22 years in corporate strategy and started her business at 42. She had one goal. She wanted to put her girls on the school bus and still make an impact. While she was reporting to a CFO, posting all day on Facebook wasn’t an option, so she built what she calls the antisocial strategy. It is very social. It runs on podcasts, speaking, email and systems behind the scenes that turn listeners into clients. In this episode, we talk about where her sales come from, the three lead sources working best for her right now, and how she sells without a live launch. In This Episode Find out why 75% of Holly’s sales come from email, referrals and conversations, and how to build the systems behind that number Steal her weekly email rhythm of thought leadership, a personal Friday newsletter and hand raiser emails that start sales conversations Learn the pop-up strategy that brings her 50 to 75 new email subscribers a month from her website alone Get her rule for speaking in look-alike communities with three or four key topics so you never start from scratch See how to use AI to read your email and Google Analytics data and find your warmest buyers One of my favorite moments was when Holly talked about tracking data. Most founders I work with tell me they want more sales and then jump straight to paid ads or a new platform. When we look at where their sales come from, it is almost always conversations, referrals and email. Holly and I agree on this completely. Pick one or two channels, give them 90 days and pour gas on what is already working. Holly also pairs one external strategy that brings people in with one internal strategy that nurtures them once they arrive. That balance is what lets a female founder grow without living on her phone. About Holly Haynes Holly Haynes is the host of the Crush the Rush™ podcast and creator of Anti-Social School, where she teaches women entrepreneurs to grow profitable, life-first businesses without posting on Instagram every day. After 22 years in corporate strategy for Fortune 500 companies, she left to build her business with her husband and grew it to seven figures in under two years, during the pandemic, with twins at home. She has spoken on over 300 podcasts and lives in Columbus, Ohio, with her family. Get Holly’s free private podcast on her five-step framework: https://www.hollymariehaynes.com/shift?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep121 Website: https://www.hollymariehaynes.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep121 Instagram: @thehollymariehaynes Want to be in the right room? City Girls is an intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep121 Get your free Founder’s Business Analysis Fill out a five-minute form and I will review your business personally. Then we will meet for a private business review call to look at your biggest constraints, where you are leaving money on the table, and what to stop, simplify or change. Start here: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/the-founders-business-analysis?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep121 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep121 Follow @kelseakoenreich

October 14, 2026Episode 12030 min

How to Raise Revenue Without Launching New Offers or Funnels

Think back to your business two or three years ago. Your revenue has probably grown since then, and many of the same frustrations are probably still there. You may still feel stretched thin and busy, and more income has not bought you more freedom. Episode Overview In this episode, I share two client stories that show how a female founder can grow revenue by doing less, better. One client went from $20K months to multiple $100K+ months. Right after her second maternity leave, she started pitching new offers and new funnels. Another wanted to close a $200K gap to hit $1M and was ready to pour money into paid ads, even though Google SEO had already brought her a single $1.4M sale. I also break down why so many of us keep adding to our plates, and I share the five questions I use with clients before they build anything new. In This Episode Learn the three ways to raise revenue so you stop defaulting to a new launch every time you want to grow Get my five-question decision filter to run before you say yes to any new offer, funnel or platform Hear how a client with a 500+ member community chose retention, reactivation and an affiliate program over a brand new offer See why building a cadence around the referral and SEO channels that already work can beat paid ads Spot the “addiction to addition” patterns, like FOMO, false urgency and hyper-independence, that keep your schedule full and your margins thin There are only three ways to raise revenue. You can get new customers, raise your prices, or keep the customers you have for longer. Most founders jump straight to the first one and build something new to get there. The fastest growth I see usually comes from the other two, and from making better use of what is already built. I created the decision filter in this episode for the moments when a new idea feels urgent. Ask what problem you are trying to solve and what evidence you have that it is the problem. Ask what you have already built that could solve it and what the decision will require from you. Then ask whether it moves you toward the business and life you want. Entrepreneurship is hard enough. Motherhood is hard enough. Let’s not make it harder. Get your free Founder’s Business Analysis Fill out a five-minute form and I will review your business personally. Then we will meet for a private business review call to look at your biggest constraints, where you are leaving money on the table, and what to stop, simplify or change. Start here: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/the-founders-business-analysis?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep120 Want to be in the right room? City Girls is an intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep120 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep120 Follow @kelseakoenreich

September 30, 2026Episode 11935 min

What Nobody Tells You About Scaling as a Female Founder

Our Florida house went on the market in January. We expected it to sell in two or three months, and it sat for seven while my husband and I lived with a low-level anxiety we couldn't shake. That same year I committed to four City Girls cities and ended up canceling two of them. This episode is about what I learned from both: when you grow, you need more support to carry it, and I didn't give myself enough. Episode Overview I'm recording from my new office in Texas with a full behind-the-scenes update on the move, the business, and where everything is headed. I talk through why I take full responsibility for the City Girls cancellations, what it cost me to try to control timing I had no control over, and the piece most coaches leave out when they tell you to expand your capacity. I also share why I'm splitting my personal brand from The Mom Founders Table and what that means for you as a listener. In This Episode Find out why our house took seven months to sell, and what the waiting taught me about the one thing I could control the whole time, which was how I responded. Learn why the urge to check every box as fast as possible is a pattern I see in almost every client I work with, and how I caught it in myself this year. Discover why holding more responsibility requires more tools, more resources, and more support, and how skipping that step is what leads capable women to break their own word. Hear where everything is headed, from KKAI and my next book to The Mom Founders Table becoming its own brand with the podcast, the mastermind, and The Mom Founders Table Live. Walk away with the question I now ask before I commit to anything big, and why answering it honestly would have saved me two canceled events. Join The Mom Founders Table Mastermind If you're ready for your next level and you want guidance from me alongside women who are already growing their teams, delegating more, and restructuring their pricing, this is where that happens. The group is capped at 30 women and includes the retreat and in-person experiences. Apply here or send me a DM on Instagram: http://kelseakoenreich.com/mastermind?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep119 Join us in City Girls Dallas City Girls Dallas is our last CG event of 2026 and the first one I'm hosting at my home. It's an intimate dinner and business workshop for established founders, and only a few seats are left. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep119 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep119 For KKAI at founding member pricing, send me a DM on Instagram. Follow @kelseakoenreich

September 23, 2026Episode 11849 min

Why Successful Female Entrepreneurs Feel Empty After Hitting Seven Figures

I spent my early 20s in and out of jail, drinking every night, with no vision for my life beyond making it through the day. This episode is the conversation I had on Bunny Young's Yes, And! Podcast, where I shared that story publicly and connected it to the work I do now inside the businesses of multi-six and seven figure women who have built something impressive and still feel like something is missing. If you have ever hit a milestone you worked years for and felt nothing, this episode is going to make sense of that. Episode Overview Bunny and I cover the full arc: where I came from, what rock bottom actually looked like, how radical responsibility became the foundation of everything I built after it, and why the women I work with are not struggling because something is broken in them. They are struggling because the business was built to run on their exhaustion and no one ever showed them another way. We also get into the identity work that has to happen alongside the operational work, why money is not the problem or the solution, and what it actually looks like to build a business that does not require all of you to keep running. In This Episode Find out why hitting seven figures can feel emptier than you expected, and what that emptiness is actually telling you about the gap between the business you built and the life you wanted it to create. Learn the difference between fixing the business and fixing the person, and why most high-achieving women have been trying to solve an operational problem with personal development and wondering why nothing is sticking. Hear the story of my rock bottom, the moment I met my own eyes in the mirror after my third arrest, and why the glimmer of hope that showed up in that moment became the foundation for everything I built next. Discover why radical responsibility is not about blame but about reclaiming your choice, and how that one shift changes what is possible in your business and your life. Walk away understanding why a business that only works when you are exhausted and available around the clock is not freedom, no matter how much money it is making. About Bunny Young Bunny Young is the host of the Yes, And! Podcast, a show for anyone done waiting for permission to build their life the way they actually want it. Bunny is a serial entrepreneur and mom of four who interviews disruptors of hustle culture on topics ranging from business and money to parenting, health, and leadership. Website: https://www.abetterplaceconsulting.com/ Instagram: @thebunnyyoung Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/3aFZgWHWHm2aQyKUhhISAh Want to be in the right room? City Girls — intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep118 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep118 Follow @kelseakoenreich

September 16, 2026Episode 11735 min

The Resentment You're Feeling Isn't About Your Spouse

If you have ever snapped at your husband for asking what's for dinner, cried in the car between school drop-off and your first call, or felt completely alone in a marriage where nothing is technically wrong, this episode is going to hit closer to home than you expect. Dr. Ashley Anthony is a Doctor of Chiropractic, business owner, and mom of three who co-owns 100% Chiropractic in Sharpsburg, Georgia, alongside her husband, Dr. Zachary Anthony. She joined me to talk about one of the most under-discussed topics in the mom founder space: what happens to your marriage, your identity, and your mental health when you are running a business and a household and somehow still feel like you are failing at both. Episode Overview We get into where resentment actually comes from, why the mental load is not just a productivity problem, what contempt does to a relationship over time, and how to start having the conversations that actually move things forward instead of just adding more tension. Ashley also shares her own story of leaving a marriage and rebuilding, and why she now helps women get clear on what they actually want before they make irreversible decisions. In This Episode Find out why the resentment you feel toward your spouse is almost never actually about your spouse, and what it is really telling you about your own unmet needs and unspoken expectations. Learn what the mental load actually is beyond the to-do list, and why carrying it silently for years is one of the fastest paths to burnout and disconnection in a relationship. Discover the difference between contempt and conflict, why contempt is the number one predictor of relationship breakdown, and what to do the moment you notice it showing up. Hear Ashley's framework for having the hard conversations without them turning into the same argument you have been having for years. Walk away knowing the first step to take if you are feeling disconnected, overwhelmed, or like you are carrying everything alone, and why taking it sooner rather than later changes everything. About Dr. Ashley Anthony Dr. Ashley Anthony is a Doctor of Chiropractic and co-owner of 100% Chiropractic in Sharpsburg, Georgia, where she practices alongside her husband, Dr. Zachary Anthony. She earned her Doctorate of Chiropractic from Life University, with a focus on pediatric adjustments and nutrition. As a wife, mom of three, and business owner, Ashley understands the demands of balancing family, health, and entrepreneurship. Through her work, she is passionate about helping individuals and families prioritize their health and build stronger, healthier lives. Want to be in the right room? City Girls — intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep117 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep117 Follow @kelseakoenreich

September 9, 2026Episode 11617 min

A Conversation With My 10 Year Old About Business, Leadership, and Being There

This is not a typical episode. No frameworks, no strategy, no guest bio. Just me and my 10-year-old son Cameron on a walk, talking about what he wants to do with his life, what he thinks makes a good leader, and what he thinks moms who run businesses should know. I recorded it because the conversation was too good not to share. And I think every mom founder who listens to this is going to feel something. Episode Overview Cameron wants to start a business that helps kids in foster care feel less alone. He wants to go to them, play with them, coach them in sports, and spend time with the ones who remind him of his friend Dakota, whose family was once living in a cardboard box on the side of the road. He would play with Dakota every single day at school because he could tell something was off and he wanted him to feel less alone. He also has very clear thoughts on leadership, honesty, budgeting, reinvesting in your business, and why moms who work until seven when their kids are already in bed might want to reconsider their schedule. I did not coach him on any of it. He just knew. What hit me most in this conversation was how much he has absorbed just from watching. He knows that good leaders tell the truth even when it is hard. He knows that if you want kids to feel better, you have to feel okay yourself first. He knows that seeing a smile on a kid's face is worth a million bucks. And he knows that the time you carve out for your kids in between the calls and the commitments matters more than most of us realize. What You Will Hear A 10-year-old's business plan for helping kids in foster care, including his thoughts on sponsorships, budgeting, and reinvesting revenue back into the programs instead of paying himself. His definition of what makes a good leader, including honesty, kindness, self-respect, a good mindset, and the ability to help people understand each other. A surprisingly clear take on why honesty in coaching matters more than just making someone feel good in the moment. Why he thinks moms should find time between work to be with their kids every single day, and his very specific suggestion for how to make it work. The moment he realized I was recording and immediately said, yes, put that on the podcast. His message to the moms listening: find time in between work to spend time with your kids. Even if it is just a walk. Even if you have a call in a few minutes. They notice. They always notice. Want to be in the right room? City Girls — intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep116 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep116 Follow @kelseakoenreich

September 2, 2026Episode 11548 min

What Your Personal Style Is Telling Clients About Your Business

You are the first thing people see before they ever read your website, watch your content, or hear your pitch. And if you have been putting your personal style at the bottom of your to-do list, this episode is going to change that. Amy Salinger is a luxury virtual fashion stylist who has spent over 20 years helping high-achieving women build wardrobes that actually work for their lives. She is also a single mom by choice, CEO, and someone who genuinely believes that confidence can be created from the outside in. Episode Overview We get into the connection between personal style and personal brand, why cleaning out your closet is the highest-leverage thing you can do right now, and how Amy's style adjective framework gives you a forever filter for getting dressed, shopping, and deciding what actually belongs in your closet. She also shares her outfit equation for taking the decision fatigue out of getting dressed every single day. In This Episode Find out why Amy calls herself a confidence creator instead of a fashion stylist, and the moment in a styling session when everything shifts for her clients. Learn the four-question outfit equation Amy uses to plan any outfit for any occasion, and why it works just as well for a Tuesday at home as it does for a big event. Discover why cleaning out your closet is not about having less but about removing the mental noise that is quietly blocking you every time you get dressed. Hear why online shopping should feel more like renting a fitting room than committing to a purchase, and how that mindset shift makes it actually useful. Walk away knowing Amy's style adjective framework so you have a filter for every shopping decision, closet clean-out, and outfit choice going forward. About Amy Salinger Amy Salinger is the founder of StyleMethod and a luxury virtual fashion stylist with over 20 years of experience, including 15 years styling clients in New York City. She works with high-achieving individuals to build wardrobes that are authentic, efficient, and aligned with who they are becoming. She is a single mom by choice to a four-year-old and runs her entire business virtually from Providence, Rhode Island. Style Adjective Quiz: https://www.stylemethodco.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep115 Instagram: @stylemethodco Want to be in the right room? City Girls — intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep115 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep115 Follow @kelseakoenreich

August 26, 2026Episode 11439 min

Why Hiring Doesn't Fix a Business With No Systems

You hired someone to take things off your plate. Now you are training them, fixing their work, and somehow busier than before. The problem was never the person. It was the infrastructure they walked into. This episode is a conversation with Aveline Elfar, founder of AE&Co Operations Agency, who has spent seven-plus years inside six, seven, and eight figure businesses rebuilding the back end so founders can finally step out of it. Episode Overview We get into what it actually means to audit a business from the inside out, why most founders are solving the wrong problem when they hire, and how clean systems create better client experiences while giving you your time back. Aveline also breaks down the difference between automation and AI, where most businesses are wasting money on overlapping tech, and the two things you can do this week to start getting hours back without overhauling everything. In This Episode Find out the most common operational breakdown Aveline finds when she audits an established business, and why it has nothing to do with the team and everything to do with what the team was never given. Learn why building the plane while flying it works until it does not, and what it costs you emotionally and financially when your infrastructure cannot actually hold the growth you are chasing. Discover the difference between automation and AI, why most founders are paying for tech they are not using, and where the biggest quick wins are hiding inside tools you already have. Hear the one question Aveline asks every founder before recommending a single system, and why the answer changes everything about what gets built. Walk away with two practical things you can do this week to start identifying where your biggest time leaks are and what to do about them. About Aveline Elfar Aveline Elfar is the founder of AE&Co Operations Agency, a boutique agency that builds custom systems, automations, and process infrastructure for health and wellness entrepreneurs and service-based businesses across North America. With seven-plus years in the field and a team of seasoned tech experts, Aveline's approach always starts with popping the operational hood before building anything. She is a homeschooling mom of two, pregnant with her third, and based in southern Ontario, Canada. Free resource — Bottleneck Quiz: https://bottleneckquiz.scoreapp.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep114 Instagram: @avelineelfar.co Website: avelineelfar.com Want to be in the right room? City Girls — intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep114 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep114 Follow @kelseakoenreich

August 19, 2026Episode 11325 min

Why Your Delegation Is Creating More Work for You

You say you want your team to take more initiative. You say you want to be able to step away. But then you step back in, fix the thing, clean it up, and hand it back. And you wonder why nothing ever really gets off your plate. This episode is about the hardest truth in entrepreneurship: the reason your delegation is not working is probably you. Episode Overview This one goes deep into the difference between radical responsibility and over-functioning, why the most competent women in the room are often the ones carrying the most responsibility that was never theirs to begin with, and how rescuing your team is quietly training them to depend on you. I also walk through a framework for sorting your responsibilities into four categories so you can stop doing the thing that is keeping you exhausted. In This Episode Find out why the more reliable, resourceful, and capable you become, the more responsibility quietly gets stacked onto your plate without you ever consciously choosing it. Learn the difference between owning your part and owning everybody else's part, and why most women who come to me are doing the second one while calling it leadership. Discover why repeatedly stepping in for your team is not helpful, it is disempowering, and how it is building a business that literally cannot function without your constant presence. Hear the four categories every responsibility in your business and life falls into, and how sorting them changes what you actually have to carry going forward. Walk away with the one question to ask yourself before you step in and fix something, and why the answer will tell you everything you need to know about why your delegation keeps failing. Join the Founders Table Mastermind If you are carrying too much and you are ready to stop, this is where we do that work. Not just the infrastructure, but the identity shift that makes the infrastructure actually stick. Apply here or send me a DM on Instagram: http://kelseakoenreich.com/mastermind?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep113 Want to be in the right room? City Girls — intimate dinner and business scaling workshop for established founders. Twenty seats per city. Use code MFTGUEST at checkout. Tickets: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep113 Work with Kelsea Fill out my inquiry form: http://inquiry.kelseakoenreich.com?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=ep113 Follow @kelseakoenreich

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