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Introducing a research-first podcast that builds revenue, not condos. Answer questions on the biggest marketing trends and news with discussions based in marketing, psychology and economics research. Along the way, learn about marketing accountability, category leadership, brand-building and much more. Featuring a team of experienced marketers whose blueprints for success are marketing strategies actually proven to work.

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August 20, 2026Episode 12111 min

Nerd Alert: Betting Small on Everything

Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use. In this episode, Elena and Rob dig into new data showing most Fortune 500 ads run on next to nothing, and why the real problem isn't budget size. It's confidence in the ideas worth backing. Topics covered: [02:32] "Fewer, Bigger, Longer, Better" — Creative X's new ad spend study [03:47] 93% of ads run on less than $10,000 [05:02] Production is up 29%, but spend per ad is down 15% [07:02] Small tests eat 30% of budget, top ads get just 18% [08:02] Why this is a confidence problem, not a budget problem [08:32] What marketers should do with the data To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: WARC. (2026, June 22). Most big-brand ads run on digital platforms have tiny budgets. WARC. https://www.warc.com/en/feed/most-big-brand-ads-run-on-digital-platforms-have-tiny-budgets-16a01f05c2ba4a1bbdc515099bb8acb2 Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

August 18, 2026Episode 17728 min

Does AI Have Taste? with Catrina McAuliffe

AI and human evaluators rated the same 20 ad concepts within 0.2 points of each other, across nearly every dimension. So can a machine really judge great creative? This week, Elena and Rob are joined by SVP Brand Strategy Catrina McAuliffe to unpack Marketing Architects' new seven-criteria framework for creative quality. Catrina shares how the framework was built, how it held up against 500 marketing and creative pros, and where AI still falls short. Marketers will get a clearer sense of when to trust AI's creative feedback, and when human debate still wins. Topics covered: [01:00] The seven-criteria framework for creative quality [09:00] Testing the framework against 500 marketing and creative pros [11:00] AI and human scores landed within point-two of each other [13:00] Does AI push ideas toward safe, average creative? [15:00] How the framework differs from ScriptSooth pretesting [16:00] Using AI to sharpen writers, not replace them [22:00] Where pretesting and the framework each fit in To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter . Resources: 2026 Marketing Architects Research Press Release: https://marketingarchitects.com/blog/marketing-architects-research-gives-humans-and-ai-a-shared-language-for-creative-quality Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

August 13, 2026Episode 12010 min

Nerd Alert: The Power of Product Placements

Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use. In this episode, Elena and Rob dig into whether product placement in movies sticks in viewers' memories, using the famous Reese's Pieces and E.T. story as a jumping-off point. Topics covered: [02:20] "The Effect of Product Placement in Movies on Brand Recall: A Meta-Analysis" [03:10] Why brands pay for screen time instead of commercial breaks [04:30] Cohen's d and what counts as a large effect [05:10] Kids and adults recall placements about the same [06:10] Execution matters more than exposure [07:40] Aston Martin versus BMW in the Bond franchise To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: Preethy Rose, M., & Shanthi, R. (2024). The effect of product placement in movies on brand recall: A meta-analysis. International Research Journal of Multidisciplinary Scope, 5(4), 807–814. Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

August 11, 2026Episode 17643 min

Marketing Effectiveness and the Proof Problem with Andrew Tindall

Ignaz Semmelweis proved handwashing saved lives, but doctors ignored his messy data for decades. Thousands died waiting for perfect proof. This week, Elena and Rob sit down with System1 Chief Growth Officer Andrew Tindall to talk about what makes marketing research worth trusting. Andrew breaks down why distinctiveness alone won't grow your brand, and why emotion is the real profit driver. The conversation also covers his research on creators, consistency, and why audio remains one of the most underrated channels in the industry. It's a must-listen for any marketer trying to separate real evidence from marketing hype. Topics covered: [03:00] What "useful evidence" means for marketers [10:00] Andrew's favorite research-backed finding on emotion [13:00] Surprising results from the Creator Effectiveness Playbook [17:00] Why distinctive and emotional ads drive more profit [20:00] The case for "compound creativity" and consistency [25:00] Why audio and radio remain overlooked and undervalued [32:00] Andrew's most contrarian marketing opinion To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter . Resources: 2026 The Drum Article: https://www.thedrum.com/opinion/andrew-tindall-marketing-doesn-t-need-perfect-evidence-it-needs-useful-evidence Andrew Tindall’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-tindall/ Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

August 6, 2026Episode 11911 min

Nerd Alert: The Cure for Dull Advertising

Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use. In this episode, Elena and Rob unpack System1's new report, "The Cure for Dull," revealing why 48% of ad viewers still feel absolutely nothing and the five creative ingredients marketers can use to fix it. Topics covered: [01:00] "The Cure for Dull" [02:00] Ads that stuck: Nike and Budweiser [04:00] Has advertising gotten more or less dull over time? [05:00] 48% of viewers feel nothing [07:00] Five pillars for treating dull [09:00] The megaphone analogy for media budgets To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: System1. (2026). The cure for dull. System1 Group, in collaboration with Adam Morgan (eatbigfish), Peter Field, Karen Nelson-Field, Orlando Wood, and Jon Evans. https://system1group.com/the-cure-for-dull Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

August 4, 2026Episode 17523 min

The Media Quality Obsession

Ask media buyers what quality media means, and answers vary. Reach, brand safety, dwell time, exclusivity: nobody agrees, and that confusion is costing marketers real money. This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob challenge the industry's obsession with premium placements. They argue quality really comes down to effectiveness: reaching real humans, in a context where the ad can do its job, at a price that makes the math work. They also unpack why Marketing Architects built its own DSP instead of relying on industry platforms, what to demand from media partners to protect against fraud, and how AI cuts both ways for junk inventory and creative quality. Topics covered: [01:00] Two studies on the industry's quality confusion and CTV fraud [02:00] A working definition: audience, context, and price [07:00] Whether premium placements really make creative work harder [08:00] The one non-negotiable floor: real humans seeing the ad [11:00] Why "everything works at zero" and cost drives TV performance [13:00] Why Marketing Architects built its own DSP [19:00] Using AI to fight junk inventory without lowering creative quality To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter . Resources: 2026 eMarketer Article: https://www.emarketer.com/content/media-buyers-struggle-define-quality-inventory--it-s-costing-them 2025 AdExchanger Article: https://www.adexchanger.com/on-tv-and-video/new-channel-same-old-tricks-how-legacy-web-tactics-are-undermining-ctv-advertising/ Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

July 30, 2026Episode 11810 min

Nerd Alert: Why Nostalgic Advertising Works

Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use. In this episode, Elena and Rob look at new research on nostalgic advertising. They break down when a "remember when" ad sticks in someone's memory, and when a straightforward, factual ad works better instead. Topics covered: [02:05] "Nostalgic Advertising Enhances Brand Name Recall by Reactivating Brand-Related Autobiographical Memories" [02:35] Why marketers need every edge to stay top of mind [04:00] Three studies pit nostalgic ads against factual ads [05:00] When nostalgia wins, and when it doesn't [06:00] Younger versus older adults: who remembers more? [07:05] Takeaways for legacy brands and win-back campaigns To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: Thoma, D., & Koziak, J. (2025). Nostalgic advertising enhances brand name recall by reactivating brand-related autobiographical memories, especially for familiar and personally relevant brands. Psychology & Marketing, 42(12), 3306–3318. https://doi.org/10.1002/mar.70042 Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

July 28, 2026Episode 17436 min

What The Industry Gets Right and Wrong About Effectiveness

Cannes debuted a new award for creative consistency this year. 73 brands entered. Just two won. This week, Elena, Angela, Rob, Catherine, and Nikki unpack what actually happened at Cannes versus what just made headlines. The team shares why intelligence-gathering, not glamour, is the real reason to attend, and how AI is quietly reshaping ad tech products behind the scenes. They also weigh in on where live sports, retail media, and creator marketing genuinely fit into an effectiveness-driven strategy versus where they're overhyped. Marketers will walk away knowing which Cannes trends deserve real budget attention and which are just award-show noise. Topics covered: [02:00] Why Marketing Architects decided to start attending Cannes [04:00] The real gap between Cannes glamour and the actual work [13:00] How AI is quietly reshaping ad tech products [14:00] Live sports as a growth opportunity, not a silver bullet [17:00] Why competing streaming platforms are all facing the same challenges [21:00] Retail media and creator marketing: tools, not full strategies [24:00] Cannes' new award for long-term creative consistency To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter . Resources: 2026 The Drum Article: https://www.thedrum.com/opinion/andrew-tindall-what-ritson-and-sharp-got-right-and-wrong-at-cannes Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

July 23, 2026Episode 11711 min

Nerd Alert: Why Your Advertising ROI is Wrong

Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use. In this episode, Elena and Rob break down why proving ad ROI is far harder than most marketers assume, even with millions of dollars and millions of customers. They also unpack why the Super Bowl might be the hardest ad buy of all to measure. Topics covered: [01:00] "The Unfavorable Economics of Measuring the Returns to Advertising" [02:00] Why the spirit of ROI gets abused [03:35] Why customer spending is too noisy to spot small ad effects [06:00] How targeting bias can inflate results by 30 times [07:00] Why the Super Bowl isn't a coupon, it's fame [09:00] Could anyone actually solve the ROI theorem? To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: Lewis, R., & Rao, J. (2015). The unfavorable economics of measuring the returns to advertising. The Economic Journal , 125 (585), 1–27. Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

July 21, 2026Episode 17342 min

Creating Future Demand with James Hurman

84% of the time, buyers choose a brand that was already on their radar before they ever started shopping. So why do so many marketing budgets only chase the people ready to buy today? This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob talk with brand strategist and author James Hurman about his new book, Future Demand . James breaks down why brands hit a growth ceiling when they lean too hard on performance marketing. He also explains why feelings outlast facts in memory, and why that changes which channels deserve your investment. Marketers will leave with a clearer case for building demand among tomorrow's customers, not just converting today's. Topics covered: [05:00] Defining current demand versus future demand [07:00] Splitting budgets 50/50 between brand and performance [12:00] Why American marketers lag on brand-building principles [18:00] Measuring future demand through brand tracking [22:00] Why feelings outlast facts in memory [26:00] The case for creativity in earning attention [35:00] James's own future demand brand: Land Rover To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter . Resources: Resources: 2021 WARC White Paper: https://www.warc.com/the-rise-of-digital-commerce 2026 Future Demand Book: https://futuredemand.com/ James Hurman’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameshurman/ Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.