The Legal Burnouts

Hosted by Kate Bridal, Josey Hoff, and Rhia Batchelder

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Feb 2025

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Join former nonprofit attorney Kate Bridal, former paralegal Josey Hoff, and former BigLaw attorney Rhia Batchelder as they get real about all the stuff that leads to burnout in the legal industry and beyond. Through honest, good-humored conversations with each other and their guests, Kate, Josey, and Rhia offer solutions, laugh to keep from crying, and normalize the conversation around burnout. If you're interested in booking Rhia and/or Kate to speak at your company, firm, or conference, send an email to kate@thelegalburnouts.com. The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice. All information provided on this podcast is for general informational purposes only.

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February 20, 2025Episode 151 hr 20 min

Episode 29. Goodbye (For Now)

This will be our final episode (for now).Between busy schedules and Kate moving in a different career direction, she and Rhia made the difficult decision to let the podcast go. They discuss the decision in detail in the episode, but it wasn't one that was made lightly. We’ve absolutely loved highlighting your stories, speaking with our amazing guests, and helping people feel less alone in their burnout journeys! But making an independent podcast is a lot of work that sadly isn't sustainable for us at this point.When we made the decision, we didn’t know that things would be more stressful than ever. But we aren’t leaving you totally defenseless: This episode includes some tips for coping with the current state of the world. It also includes chat about the current administration, the Kendrick Lamar halftime show, and the supreme hotness of Jalen Hurts. Rhia is not leaving the burnout fight! Follow her on TikTok and Instagram for daily anti-burnout tips, and hire her to speak to your company if you want to reduce burnout risk and increase productivity!In March, Kate is launching a brand new podcast called Now It’s Ruined where she and her best friend ruin everyday objects, events, and people with dark facts. You can follow the podcast on Patreon and YouTube, and follow her individually on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. And keep your eyes peeled: We might pop back up once in a while.

June 20, 202430 min

Episode 28. Pivots and Recovery With Reshma Saujani, Founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First

We’re ending Season 2 with a bang!In this episode, Kate and Rhia are joined by Reshma Saujani, leading activist and the founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First, formerly Marshall Plan for Moms. Reshma has spent more than a decade building movements to fight for women and girls’ economic empowerment, most recently advocating for policies to support moms impacted by the pandemic. She is also the author of the international bestseller Brave, Not Perfect, and her influential TED talk, “Teac...

June 12, 202459 min

Episode 27. Farewell Josey and Career Clarity

It’s Josey’s last episode as co-host of The Legal Burnouts, so Kate and Rhia bid her a fond farewell and learn more about why she’s leaving and her next steps.Josey opens up about her current burnout, which stems mainly from physical injuries she sustained over a year ago. Josey didn’t address the injuries at the time they happened due to a combination of existing, unaddressed burnout and her impulse to overwork. However, she recently took the brave step to request leave, to give herself...

June 5, 20241 hr 15 min

Episode 26. Creating Your Own Spaces With Faridat Arogundade

This week, Kate and Rhia are joined by Rhia’s law school classmate Faridat Arogundade, a former Biglaw attorney who has created her own high-quality, plus-sized fashion line, Ìfẹ́mi. Faridat honestly and insightfully discusses her experience as a plus-sized Black woman in Biglaw and society in general. In her 8 years as a Biglaw attorney, Faridat experienced discrimination based on size, race, and culture. From not getting cold-called because of her name, to being short-change...

May 22, 202442 min

Episode 26. Changing Lanes With Kyle Kelly

In Kate and Josey’s final guest interview together, they talk with the man who inspired them to start The Legal Burnouts, Kyle Kelly. Kyle, a former digital forensics professional, worked at tiny companies like Salesforce and Coinbase before deciding to break off and create his own legal technology. He is now the CEO and founder of Zubu, the world’s first native genAI legal holds solution.Kyle opens up about the challenges he’s faced in entrepreneurship: Pivoting away from an idea he’d had fo...

May 8, 202454 min

Episode 25. Pregnancy, Parenting, and Entrepreneurship With Megan Senese

This week, Rhia and Kate speak to Megan Senese, cofounder of Stage, a women-owned legal marketing and business development firm that offers- among many other services- a free program to support working parents before and after parental leave. This program, called Courderoy, was partially inspired by Megan’s previous experience hiding her pregnancy from her firm for SIX MONTHS. Though nobody told Megan she had to hide her pregnancy, there were plenty of cultural indicators that she s...

April 24, 202437 min

Episode 23. Infertility with Emily Petrich

Content warning: This episode contains discussions of infertility and miscarriage. In honor of National Infertility Awareness Week, Kate and Rhia are joined by fertility activist (and aspiring cyborg) Emily Petrich, who went from suffering through infertility in silence, to speaking out about her experience on social media, to becoming an activist in the infertility community. Infertility is taxing on your mental, emotional, and physical health, and comes with many stressors that ca...

April 17, 20241 hr 2 min

Episode 22. Crossover Episode With The Newfangled Lawyer

This week, in a very special episode, The Newfangled Lawyer (Patrick Patino) crosses over with The Legal Burnouts (Kate Bridal and Rhia Batchelder) to talk baked potatoes, burnout, and how to make the law a kinder profession. Patrick, Kate, and Rhia discuss unleashing themselves on social media, whether it’s possible to practice law in a way that aligns with your values, how to cure-ify (curate and diversify) your LinkedIn feed, and why it’s important to break the illusion of perfection....

April 10, 202441 min

Episode 21. The Enneagram With Enneagram Ashton

Josey and Kate’s dreams come true when they get to nerd out over the Enneagram with none other than Enneagram Ashton!Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober is a community psychologist, certified Enneagram educator, author, and Enneagram Type 2. She walks Kate (Type 3) and Josey (Type 5) through each Enneagram type and how burnout may manifest for them. The Enneagram can be a great tool to get to know yourself, your habits, and your motivations so you can operate in an anti-burnout way. It can also help y...

March 27, 202448 min

Episode 20. Triggers and Glimmers With Paula Liub

Kate and Rhia are joined by Paula Liub, an anti-burnout coach specifically for neurodivergent and highly sensitive women. Paula talks about grappling with burnout as a neurodivergent woman, her struggle to get a diagnosis, and how she came to her work promoting neurodivergent wellness. Paula uses a unique blend of science-backed and mindfulness techniques to help prevent, manage, and heal from burnout. Her mission is wellness for all neurodivergent people, but she focuses on women ...

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