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Aug 2026

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Podcast for the Criminal Justice Section of the American Bar Association. We'll talk current issues in criminal justice reform, policy and the Supreme Court. We'll discuss the work of the Criminal Justice Section including events, Task Forces, Standards, the ABA's ICC project and more. This is the Criminal Justice Section of the ABA’s podcast, and may not contain official ABA policy statements. For the ABA’s Code of Online Conduct visit here: https://www.americanbar.org/about_the_aba/codeofconduct/

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August 19, 2026Episode 949 min

Our discussion with David Oscar Markus

Send us Fan Mail We are well into the era of artificial intelligence and TikTok, and both are having dramatic impacts on our lives. Trial practice, and criminal defense practice, are not immune from that influence, which is perhaps unsurprising given that trials and criminal defense are a mirror, in some ways, of the state of our society at large. We had the opportunity to catch up with David Oscar Markus to discuss artificial intelligence and TikTok, and its impact on criminal trials. David is a highly regarded and respected criminal defense lawyer, host of the wonderful “ For the Defense ” podcast, and has represented celebrity defendants and politicians in cases of national import, among them Florida gubernatorial nominee Andrew Gillum, and Ghislaine Maxwell.

August 12, 2026Episode 338 min

White Collar Talks: Upcoming 12th Annual Southeastern White Collar Crime Institute

Send us Fan Mail In this White Collar Talks episode, ABA CJS Chair Nina Marino and program co-Chairs Joe Whitley and Brian McEvoy discussing the upcoming 12th Annual Southeastern White Collar Crime Institute in Braselton, GA, September 9-11th. For over a decade, the ABA Criminal Justice Section’s Southeastern White Collar Crime Institute has been the premier regional program for professionals engaged in the defense, prosecution, and adjudication of complex white collar criminal matters. Throughout its history, the Institute has evolved to reflect shifting enforcement priorities and policy developments across federal law enforcement agencies. Programming has been carefully calibrated to address the most current issues in the field, aligned with the changing landscape over multiple administrations. The Institute continues to offer timely, practical insights into the latest developments and trends in the white collar space. Register now at https://events.americanbar.org/event/64904c10-ce7d-4c3c-b15f-c31449a8e262/summary

July 16, 2026Episode 81 hr 0 min

Freakonomics for Criminal Justice: Our Discussion with Economist Jennifer Doleac

Send us Fan Mail Jennifer Doleac is a Stanford-educated economist, a former college economics professor, and the author of The Science of Second Chances: A Revolution in Criminal Justice , published by Henry Holt and Company and available in print as of February 24, 2026. We spoke with Jennifer about her new book, which is billed as “Freakonomics for criminal justice,” and explores real-world experiments that suggest what policy changes and incentives offer the greatest hope of true criminal justice reform. Doleac takes the reader through each stage of the criminal justice process, from arrest, to prison, and release, to identify data-driven solutions to make our society both safer and less punitive at the same time. Doleac is the Executive Vice President of Criminal Justice at Arnold Ventures, a philanthropy focusing on evidence-based public policy. She is also a frequent contributor to The Washington Post, Time, and Bloomberg Opinion , and host of the Probable Causation podcast on law, economics, and crime.

July 2, 2026Episode 748 min

Interview of John Hutchins: Habeas Challenges to the Death Penalty and the Experience of Representing Defendants on Death Row

Send us Fan Mail When a person is sentenced to death, the case is not over. Some of the most critical legal work happens after the trial and direct appeals are finished. That’s where habeas attorneys step in, often years later, to uncover constitutional violations, investigate what was missed, and ask a fundamental question: did the system get it right? John Hutchins has spent years representing death row inmates in these high-stakes post-conviction proceedings. He’s also been active in the American Bar Association’s Death Penalty Representation Project, which focuses on improving the quality of legal representation in capital cases and addressing systemic gaps that can shape life-or-death outcomes.

June 22, 2026Episode 226 min

White Collar Talks: Upcoming 2026 Global White Collar Institute

Send us Fan Mail “White Collar Talks with Nina and Joe” episode features Lucian Dervan, discussing the upcoming 2026 Global White Collar Crime Institute, July 13-14, 2026, in Singapore. which will bring together senior practitioners, government officials, judges, and scholars to examine the evolving and increasingly complex landscape of international white collar crime. Hosts are Nina Marino and Joe Whitley.

May 18, 2026Episode 638 min

One Woman’s Experience as a Federal Prison Inmate, and Her Return: A Discussion with Portia Louder

Send us Fan Mail In 2007, FBI agents showed up at the home of Portia Louder and her husband Chad. Their youngest of five children was just three months old at the time. Seven years later, in August 2014, Louder pleaded guilty to wire fraud and conspiracy. And on the morning of April 21, 2015, she and Chad left their home in Utah on a 14-hour drive to the facility where Louder would self-surrender in order to commence her seven-year sentence.

April 21, 2026Episode 545 min

Meek Mill’s REFORM Alliance and the Promise of Probation and Parole Reform

Send us Fan Mail This being “Second Chance Month,” it’s a perfect time to share our discussion with Jessica Jackson and Erin Haney—respectively, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Policy Officer of the REFORM Alliance, the justice initiative founded by Philadelphia-born and Grammy-nominated rapper Meek Mill and others. When Mill was sentenced, in November 2017, to a term of two to four years in prison for technical parole violations, the sentence was a catalyst for the criminal justice reform movement. In January 2019, Mill and fellow rapper Jay-Z together formed REFORM, following Mill’s release. Mill and Jay-Z were joined by a group of philanthropists and activists, several of whom, including Boston Patriots owner Robert Kraft, sit on REFORM’s Board of Directors. Our guests, Jessica Jackson and Erin Haney, each have their own interesting stories to tell about their work in the criminal justice reform movement. It was a pleasure to welcome them to the JustPod.

February 17, 2026Episode 134 min

White Collar Talks: ABA 2026 White Collar Crime Institute

Send us Fan Mail Program Co-Chairs Maggie O’Donell and Aitan Goelman discuss the history of the ABA Criminal Justice Section’s White Collar Crime Institute and the upcoming 2026 program on March 10-13, 2026 in San Diego, CA. "White Collar Talks" are hosted by Nina Marino and Joe Whitley. The ABA White Collar Crime Institute is the nation’s premier forum for insights, updates, and expert analysis in the field of white collar crime. This annual event brings together leading practitioners, in-house counsel, judges, academics, and enforcement officials for an in-depth exploration of the most pressing legal, regulatory, and ethical issues impacting the white collar landscape today.

January 26, 2026Episode 445 min

Our Discussion with Josh Hoe, Senior Policy Manager at Dream.org

Send us Fan Mail Josh Hoe is Senior Policy Manager at Dream.org, and the host and creator of the Decarceration Nation Podcast. Josh, who is himself formerly incarcerated, is the author of “Writing Your Own Best Story: Addiction + Living Hope.” We connected to discuss Josh’s recent writing, in which he argues that the so-called “National Emergency on Crime” is not real, and why we should reject it.

January 20, 2026Episode 352 min

The Vacation of Tom Hayes’s Conviction (Part 2 of our two-part discussion)

Send us Fan Mail This is Part 2 of our two-part discussion with Tom Hayes, the now vindicated former English banker, who we first spoke with in April 2025. At the time of that earlier discussion with Tom, in Part 1 of this series, Tom was awaiting a decision of the United Kingdom’s Supreme Court on the appeal of his August 2015 conviction, arising from his work submitting rates, on behalf of his employer, a bank, that were used to determine the London Interbank Offered Rate (or, LIBOR)—a benchmark rate, to which many other financial instruments were connected. The allegation was that Tom, and others, had manipulated their submission of rates to benefit the financial institutions they worked for. For that conduct—what the prosecution characterized as a “manipulation” of LIBOR—Tom was sentenced to 14 years in prison, subsequently reduced to 11 years in prison, of which he ultimately served about 5. But a parallel prosecution in the United States against two other traders, brought by the U.S. Department of Justice, was dismissed , following a favorable decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in 2022. At the time of our discussion with Tom in Part 1, the United Kingdom remained the only jurisdiction that viewed Tom’s conduct as criminal. That is, until his conviction—and the conviction of another trader, Carlo Palumbo—were overturned by a unanimous UK Supreme Court on July 23, 2025. We caught up with Tom after this tremendous reprieve.

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