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The Industrial Talk Podcast Network

Hosted by The Industrial Talk Podcast with Scott MacKenzie

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200

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Oct 2026

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Industrial Talk is about celebrating the women and men of industry and manufacturing. We celebrate these innovative leaders and companies because they make our lives better and are changing the world for the better! These passionate leaders collaborate, innovate and educate with speed and purpose to positively impact people and communities around the world. Industrial Talk in collaboration with industry and manufacturing leaders address topics that include: Digital Transformation, Big Data, Industry 4.0, IoT, IIoT, AI, ML, Optimization, Edge, Cloud, Asset Reliability, Maintenance, 5G, Sales, Marketing and Branding and strategies for success. This is a podcast that is focused on Getting Stuff Done and learning from individuals and companies that have been there and have a track record of success. We celebrate a bright future in industry and manufacturing from with women and men dedicated to making our communities and world a better place.

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October 28, 202637 min

Jonatan Perez with VAR GROUP

Industrial Talk/ BCC is talking to Jonatan Perez, Delivery Lead, Offensive Security with Var Group about "Hacking Village - Developing ethical hacking skills". <div class="text-md [&_:is([data-link],a:link,a:visited,a:hover,a:active)]:text-primary [&_:is([data-link],a:link,a:visited,a:hover,a:active):hover]:underline [&_:is(code,div[data-lang])]:font-mono [&_:is(div[data-lang])]:bg-overlay [&_:is(div[data-lang])]:rounded-sm [&_div[data-lang]]:p-2 [&_div[data-lang]]:overflow-auto [&_:is(p,ul,ol,dl,table,blockquote,div[data-lang],h4,h5,h6):not(:first-child)]:mt-2 [&_:is(p,ul,ol,dl,table,blockquote,div[data-lang],h3,h4,h5,h6):not(:last-child)]:mb-2 [&_:is(hr):not(:first-child)]:mt-5 [&_:is(hr):not(:last-child)]:mb-5 [&_:is(hr)]:border-subtle [&_:is(ul)]:pl-5 [&_ul]:list-disc [&_ol]:list-decimal [&_ol>li>ol]:list-[lower-alpha] [&_ol>li>ol>li>ol]:list-[lower-roman] [&_ol>li>ol>li>ol>li>ol]:list-[list-decimal] [&_[data-user]]:text-primary [&_:is(pre)]:overflow-auto [&_:is(table)]:w-full [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border-collapse [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border-gray-300 [&_:is(table,th,td)]:p-2 [&_:is(strong,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:font-semibold [&_:is(h1)]:text-2xl [&_:is(h2)]:text-lg [&_:is(h3)]:text-md [&_h1:not(:first-child)]:mt-8 [&_h1:not(:last-child)]:mb-6 [&_h2:not(:first-child)]:mt-6 [&_h2:not(:last-child)]:mb-4 [&_h3:not(:first-child)]:mt-4...

October 27, 202643 min

Samir Bounab Toledano with BlackOrbit

Industrial Talk is talking to Samir Bounab Toledano, Founder/CEO at BlackOrbit about "Solving New Product Introduction Coordination Tax" . <div class="text-md [&_:is([data-link],a:link,a:visited,a:hover,a:active)]:text-primary [&_:is([data-link],a:link,a:visited,a:hover,a:active):hover]:underline [&_:is(code,div[data-lang])]:font-mono [&_:is(div[data-lang])]:bg-overlay [&_:is(div[data-lang])]:rounded-sm [&_div[data-lang]]:p-2 [&_div[data-lang]]:overflow-auto [&_:is(p,ul,ol,dl,table,blockquote,div[data-lang],h4,h5,h6):not(:first-child)]:mt-2 [&_:is(p,ul,ol,dl,table,blockquote,div[data-lang],h3,h4,h5,h6):not(:last-child)]:mb-2 [&_:is(hr):not(:first-child)]:mt-5 [&_:is(hr):not(:last-child)]:mb-5 [&_:is(hr)]:border-subtle [&_:is(ul)]:pl-5 [&_ul]:list-disc [&_ol]:list-decimal [&_ol>li>ol]:list-[lower-alpha] [&_ol>li>ol>li>ol]:list-[lower-roman] [&_ol>li>ol>li>ol>li>ol]:list-[list-decimal] [&_[data-user]]:text-primary [&_:is(pre)]:overflow-auto [&_:is(table)]:w-full [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border-collapse [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border-gray-300 [&_:is(table,th,td)]:p-2 [&_:is(strong,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:font-semibold [&_:is(h1)]:text-2xl [&_:is(h2)]:text-lg [&_:is(h3)]:text-md [&_h1:not(:first-child)]:mt-8 [&_h1:not(:last-child)]:mb-6 [&_h2:not(:first-child)]:mt-6 [&_h2:not(:last-child)]:mb-4 [&_h3:not(:first-child)]:mt-4 [&_pre]:bg-palette-gray-200 [&_pre>code]:bg-transparent [&_pre>code]:px-0...

October 26, 202627 min

Chad Duty with IACMI - The Composites Institute

Industrial Talk is onsite at Build Freedom Summit and talking to Chad Duty, CEO of IACMI about "Training the manufacturing future". Overview The discussion focused on IACMI ’s manufacturing workforce programs and their role in strengthening U.S. manufacturing capacity. Workforce Network Chad , CEO since 2023, described a network of more than 50 universities and community colleges across dozens of states. Programs combine online curriculum with no-cost, weeklong hands-on boot camps; a train-the-trainer program supports consistent instruction. Partner locations are prioritized by regional industry needs, existing manufacturing capabilities, and workforce demand. The workforce need is national, but solutions must be tailored to regional needs; outreach should begin early and present skilled trades as an equally valuable path alongside college. Scaling Priorities IACMI aims to expand the network to hundreds or thousands of institutions, with growth dependent on funding and the ability to scale sustainably. Build Freedom supports efforts to strengthen supply chains, national security, and the connection between manufacturing and innovation. How quickly can funding and training capacity grow to meet the expanding workforce demand? Outline Manufacturing Workforce Programs IACMI developed from composites research and internships into a broader workforce development effort. Online courses lead into intensive, hands-on boot camps; the training network includes more than 50 institutions across dozens of states. Train-the-trainer instruction and regional partner selection support program quality and relevance. Regional Demand and Early Outreach Partner sites are assessed against industry demand, local capabilities, and workforce needs. Economic development groups help connect workforce planning with company expansion and reshoring. The discussion emphasized early exposure to manufacturing careers and equal respect for college and skilled-trade pathways. Manufacturing and National Resilience Participants discussed supply-chain fragility and the need to connect domestic manufacturing with innovation. Build Freedom supports workforce, innovation, and supply-chain efforts intended to bolster economic stability and national security. Expansion is desired, but sustainable growth depends on funding and training capacity. If interested in being on the Industrial Talk show, simply contact us and let's have a quick conversation. Finally, get your exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and a series on “ Why You Need To Podcast ” for Greater Success in 2026. All links designed for keeping you current in this rapidly changing Industrial Market. Learn! Grow! Enjoy! CHAD DUTY'S CONTACT INFORMATION: Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chad-duty-52784948/ Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/iacmi/ Company Website: https://www.iacmi.org/ PODCAST VIDEO: https://youtu.be/3N8JW3tNz8A THE STRATEGIC REASON "WHY YOU NEED TO PODCAST": OTHER GREAT INDUSTRIAL RESOURCES: NEOM : https://www.neom.com/en-us Hexagon: https://hexagon.com/ Arduino: https://www.arduino.cc/ Fictiv: https://www.fictiv.com/ Hitachi Vantara: https://www.hitachivantara.com/en-us/home.html Industrial Marketing Solutions: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial-marketing/ Industrial Academy: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial-academy/ Industrial Dojo: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial_dojo/ We the 15: https://www.wethe15.org/ YOUR INDUSTRIAL DIGITAL TOOLBOX: LifterLMS: Get One Month Free for $1 – https://lifterlms.com/ Active Campaign: <a...

October 23, 202628 min

Gary Specter and Jason Penkethman with Limble

Industrial Talk is onsite at SMRP 2026 and talking to Gary Specter and Jason Penkethman Executive Team at Limble about "Focus on Technology Usability" . Overview The discussion focused on how Limble is shaping its maintenance software around customer needs, technician usability, and practical innovation. Product Focus Jason described redesigning the mobile app around technicians’ daily tasks, work environments, and access to relevant information at the equipment. Limble is exploring AI-supported freeform-text entry and voice notes to reduce data-entry friction. Gary emphasized usability and accurate, current data as prerequisites for software adoption and value. Strategy And Data Limble is choosing specific manufacturing and distribution subverticals rather than trying to serve every industry; it aims to guide customers toward a better fit when needed. The team is exploring AI-assisted data rationalization to help migrate legacy records and reconcile differing terminology. Gary described a customer-driven strategy and an ambition for Limble to become central to customers’ operating systems. Jason highlighted the opportunity to improve software adoption and help customers progress from reactive maintenance toward predictive and prescriptive practices. Outline Conference And Community Jason said the focused event enabled more customer conversations than a larger trade show. Gary valued the community of asset-management vendors, technology providers, and industry partners. Technician Usability Jason described a mobile-app redesign based on technician workflows, timely information, and conditions such as gloves, noise, lighting, and heat. The team discussed voice notes and AI-assisted conversion of freeform text into structured fields as ways to reduce data-entry burden. Customer Fit And Data Gary said Limble is concentrating on selected manufacturing and distribution sub-verticals and recognizes it may not fit every organization. Gary and Jason discussed cleaning and rationalizing legacy data, including aligning terminology across systems; AI may help automate categorization and expose useful historical information. Company Direction Gary described a customer-driven culture, ecosystem development, and a goal of making Limble central to customers’ operations. Jason highlighted improving adoption and helping customers advance from reactive maintenance toward more proactive approaches. If interested in being on the Industrial Talk show, simply contact us and let's have a quick conversation. Finally, get your exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and a series on “ Why You Need To Podcast ” for Greater Success in 2025. All links designed for keeping you current in this rapidly changing Industrial Market. Learn! Grow! Enjoy! GARY SPECTER'S CONTACT INFORMATION: Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-specter/ Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/limble/ Company Website: https://limble.com/ JASON PENKETHMAN'S CONTACT INFORMATION: Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jpenkethman/ PODCAST VIDEO: https://youtu.be/vEwmTLM4ZDM THE STRATEGIC REASON "WHY YOU NEED TO PODCAST": OTHER GREAT INDUSTRIAL RESOURCES: Industrial Marketing Solutions: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial-marketing/ Industrial Academy: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial-academy/ Industrial Dojo: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial_dojo/ Business Beatitude the Book Do you desire a more joy-filled, deeply-enduring sense of accomplishment and success? Live your business the way you want to live with the BUSINESS BEATITUDES...The Bridge connecting sacrifice to success. YOU NEED THE BUSINESS BEATITUDES! TAP INTO YOUR INDUSTRIAL SOUL, RESERVE YOUR COPY NOW! BE BOLD. BE BRAVE. DARE GREATLY AND CHANGE THE WORLD. GET THE BUSINESS BEATITUDES! Reserve My Copy and My 25% Discount

October 16, 202646 min

Cesar Tascon with EY

Industrial Talk/ BCC is talking to Cesar Tascon, Cybersecurity Partner with EY about "OT / ICS - cyber physical and critical infrastructure security". Overview The discussion focused on adapting cybersecurity to connected operational technology while protecting safe, continuous operations. OT Risk and Approach OT security prioritizes availability and safety; outages can disrupt essential services or cause physical harm. Security must fit each organization’s assets, structure, and risk tolerance. Prioritize critical scenarios, contain incidents, and scale controls to asset criticality. Treat cybersecurity as an ongoing business process, with asset inventories, consistent practices, and rapid detection and response. People and Emerging Risks Introduce changes incrementally with operators, integrating security into existing workflows rather than imposing disruptive processes. OT security ownership depends on the organization; IT and OT responsibilities should align with its operating model. Regulations can overlap and differ in terminology. AI may strengthen attacks but also help analysts review alerts and respond faster. How should each organization assign OT security responsibilities? The transcript identifies no universal model. Outline OT Cybersecurity Context Connected devices and remote operations create significant business benefits, but expand cyber exposure. OT security differs...

October 15, 202634 min

Martijn Grooten with Censys

Industrial Talk/ BCC is talking to Martijn Grooten, Principal Security Researcher at Censys about "State of the Internet Report". Overview The discussion examined findings from Censys’ State of the Internet Report and their implications for organizational cybersecurity. Report Findings The report uses Censys’ internet-wide data to describe exposed services, vulnerabilities, threats, and infrastructure; it provides evidence rather than prescriptive guidance. Many vulnerabilities are patched by vendors, but organizations often delay applying updates. HTTP services are frequently found on nonstandard ports. Exposure Risks About 80% of internet-visible hosts running industrial control system services also run a non-ICS service, such as HTTP, SSH, or FTP, expanding potential attack surfaces. Public-facing AI infrastructure grew 63% during the nine-month period covered. Among observed n8n hosts, 76% had at least one vulnerability with a severity score above 9; patches existed, but updates were not applied promptly. Threat actors select hosting providers based partly on permissiveness and resistance to takedowns. Shadow IT and shadow AI can arise when employees use unofficial tools to get work done. Outline Report Purpose Censys shares data from its internet-wide observations to inform cybersecurity professionals and organizations. The report describes exposure and trends rather than providing detailed remediation instructions. Vulnerabilities and Protocols Vulnerabilities are routinely discovered and patched, but organizations may be slow to install updates. Services such as HTTP can run on nonstandard ports, so monitoring only default ports may miss exposed services. Industrial Systems About 80% of observed hosts running an industrial control system service also ran a non-ICS service, including HTTP, SSH, or FTP. These additional services can broaden the attack surface of industrial environments. Threat Infrastructure Threat actors choose hosting providers based on cost, functionality, and permissiveness, rather than choosing infrastructure by country alone. The report observes phishing pages and command-and-control servers, not malware activity on individual computers. AI and Shadow IT Public internet-facing AI infrastructure grew 63% during the report’s covered period. Many observed n8n hosts had severe known vulnerabilities; the interview emphasized delayed patching. Unofficial tools and AI use can create security risks when organizational systems do not meet employees’ work needs. If interested in being on the Industrial Talk show, simply contact us and let's have a quick conversation. Finally, get your exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and a series on “ Why You Need To Podcast ” for Greater Success in 2026. All links designed for keeping you current in this rapidly changing Industrial Market. Learn! Grow! Enjoy! MARTIJN GROOTEN'S CONTACT...

October 15, 202646 min

Dominic Mercurio with Sales Factory

Industrial Talk is talking to Dominic Mercurio, VP - Insights at the Sales Factory about "State of the Pro 2026 Research Survey" . Overview Sales Factory presented findings from its first annual State of the Pro survey on contractors’ work, challenges, and outlook. Survey Findings The survey covered 1,168 professionals across eight trades. Respondents generally felt positive about job stability and took pride in their work, but cited difficulty finding reliable skilled labor. How can the industry address the skilled-labor shortage? Tools and Training Contractors use AI mainly to save time on administrative work and research; they still need subject-matter experts to verify its outputs, especially for safety-critical decisions. Forty percent preferred AI-assisted search, and 94% regularly learn about new tools. Contractors also emphasized showing up humble and willing to learn, and investing in quality tools when affordable. Outline State of the Pro Survey Dominic described the first annual survey of more than 1,000 professionals across eight construction and industrial trades. The research examines contractors’ economic outlook, labor conditions, tools, and expectations for the future. Workforce Conditions Contractors reported confidence in employment stability and pride in their work. Finding reliable skilled workers remains a significant challenge; participants emphasized the importance of investment in the trades. Advice for new workers included being punctual, humble, and open to learning from experienced crews. AI and Tools AI can reduce administrative burdens and speed up information searches, but human expertise remains essential for validating accuracy and safety. Contractors continue learning about new tools, often relying on peers as a trusted source of information. Professionals advised investing in quality tools when possible, while noting that overspending can be a source of regret. Research Resources The survey report is available through Sales Factory; Dominic also described the company’s quarterly State of the DIYer research. If interested in being on the Industrial Talk show, simply contact us and let's have a quick conversation. Finally, get your exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and a series on “ Why You Need To Podcast ” for Greater Success in 2026. All links designed for keeping you current in this rapidly changing Industrial Market. Learn! Grow! Enjoy! DOMINIC MERCURIO'S CONTACT INFORMATION: Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dominic-mercurio-iv/ Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-sales-factory/ Company Website: https://salesfactory.com/ PODCAST VIDEO: https://youtu.be/Icr0YxXpWvQ THE STRATEGIC REASON "WHY YOU NEED TO PODCAST": OTHER GREAT INDUSTRIAL RESOURCES: Industrial Marketing Solutions: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial-marketing/ Industrial Academy: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial-academy/ Industrial Dojo: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial_dojo/ Business Beatitude the Book Do you desire a more joy-filled, deeply-enduring sense of accomplishment and success? Live your business the way you want to live with the BUSINESS BEATITUDES...The Bridge connecting sacrifice to success. YOU NEED THE BUSINESS BEATITUDES! TAP INTO YOUR INDUSTRIAL SOUL, RESERVE YOUR COPY NOW! BE BOLD. BE BRAVE. DARE GREATLY AND CHANGE THE WORLD. GET THE BUSINESS BEATITUDES! Reserve My Copy and My 25% Discount

October 14, 202654 min

Ulrich Seldeslachts with LSEC, The Digital Security Catalyst

Industrial Talk/ BCC is talking to Ulrich Seldeslachts, CEO at LSEC about "What CISOs are losing sleep over in 2026". Overview The discussion examined cybersecurity risks facing organizations and how leaders can protect operations without slowing business activity. Key Challenges Legacy operational technology, IT/OT alignment, and supplier vulnerabilities make it difficult to keep manufacturing and other critical operations secure. The European NIS2 regulation requires covered organizations to demonstrate cybersecurity measures and address supply-chain risk. Scarce cybersecurity talent and expensive, complex tools add to the burden. Ulrich described difficulty securing management support and resources when executives do not prioritize cybersecurity. Approaches and Open Questions AI can help analyze security data and review product documentation, but its output needs guardrails and human review. The Cyber Resilience Act will require products with digital elements sold in Europe to meet cybersecurity and documentation requirements; noncompliant products may be removed from the market. New products must comply from January 2028. How can organizations secure extensive supplier networks and legacy systems while maintaining business continuity and pace of innovation? Outline CISO and Operational Risk Legacy operational technology and IT/OT alignment create ongoing security challenges. Supplier cybersecurity is a business-continuity risk, reinforced by NIS2 requirements. Cybersecurity staffing gaps and poorly fitted or underused tools constrain organizations. AI and Regulation AI supports analysis of large volumes of security data and review of compliance documentation; guardrails and human review remain important. The Cyber Resilience Act applies to products with digital elements entering the European market, with requirements for new products from January 2028. Organizational Readiness Executives must understand cybersecurity risks and provide appropriate resources. Ulrich described practical engagement with hospital teams and boards to build awareness and improve cybersecurity maturity. If interested in being on the Industrial Talk show, simply contact us and let's have a quick conversation. Finally, get your exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and a series on “ Why You Need To Podcast ” for Greater Success in 2026. All links designed for keeping you current in this rapidly changing Industrial Market. Learn! Grow! Enjoy! ULRICH SELDESLACHTS' CONTACT INFORMATION: Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ulrichseldeslachts/ Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lsec---leaders-in-security/ Company Website: <a...

October 14, 202634 min

Clint Bundy with the Bundy Group

Industrial Talk is talking to Clint Bundy, Managing Director at the Bundy Group about "Navigating the financial complexities of industrial growth and acquisitions" . <div class="text-md [&_:is([data-link],a:link,a:visited,a:hover,a:active)]:text-primary [&_:is([data-link],a:link,a:visited,a:hover,a:active):hover]:underline [&_:is(code,div[data-lang])]:font-mono [&_:is(div[data-lang])]:bg-overlay [&_:is(div[data-lang])]:rounded-sm [&_div[data-lang]]:p-2 [&_div[data-lang]]:overflow-auto [&_:is(p,ul,ol,dl,table,blockquote,div[data-lang],h4,h5,h6):not(:first-child)]:mt-2 [&_:is(p,ul,ol,dl,table,blockquote,div[data-lang],h3,h4,h5,h6):not(:last-child)]:mb-2 [&_:is(hr):not(:first-child)]:mt-5 [&_:is(hr):not(:last-child)]:mb-5 [&_:is(hr)]:border-subtle [&_:is(ul)]:pl-5 [&_ul]:list-disc [&_ol]:list-decimal [&_ol>li>ol]:list-[lower-alpha] [&_ol>li>ol>li>ol]:list-[lower-roman] [&_ol>li>ol>li>ol>li>ol]:list-[list-decimal] [&_[data-user]]:text-primary [&_:is(pre)]:overflow-auto [&_:is(table)]:w-full [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border-collapse [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border-gray-300 [&_:is(table,th,td)]:p-2 [&_:is(strong,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:font-semibold [&_:is(h1)]:text-2xl [&_:is(h2)]:text-lg [&_:is(h3)]:text-md [&_h1:not(:first-child)]:mt-8 [&_h1:not(:last-child)]:mb-6 [&_h2:not(:first-child)]:mt-6 [&_h2:not(:last-child)]:mb-4 [&_h3:not(:first-child)]:mt-4 [&_pre]:bg-palette-gray-200 [&_pre>code]:bg-transparent...

October 13, 202641 min

Jay Roxe with Inriver

Industrial Talk is talking to Jay Roxe, Chief Marketing Officer at Inriver about "Is your Product Information Management system ready for the benefits of the AI boom" . <div class="text-md [&_:is([data-link],a:link,a:visited,a:hover,a:active)]:text-primary [&_:is([data-link],a:link,a:visited,a:hover,a:active):hover]:underline [&_:is(code,div[data-lang])]:font-mono [&_:is(div[data-lang])]:bg-overlay [&_:is(div[data-lang])]:rounded-sm [&_div[data-lang]]:p-2 [&_div[data-lang]]:overflow-auto [&_:is(p,ul,ol,dl,table,blockquote,div[data-lang],h4,h5,h6):not(:first-child)]:mt-2 [&_:is(p,ul,ol,dl,table,blockquote,div[data-lang],h3,h4,h5,h6):not(:last-child)]:mb-2 [&_:is(hr):not(:first-child)]:mt-5 [&_:is(hr):not(:last-child)]:mb-5 [&_:is(hr)]:border-subtle [&_:is(ul)]:pl-5 [&_ul]:list-disc [&_ol]:list-decimal [&_ol>li>ol]:list-[lower-alpha] [&_ol>li>ol>li>ol]:list-[lower-roman] [&_ol>li>ol>li>ol>li>ol]:list-[list-decimal] [&_[data-user]]:text-primary [&_:is(pre)]:overflow-auto [&_:is(table)]:w-full [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border-collapse [&_:is(table,th,td)]:border-gray-300 [&_:is(table,th,td)]:p-2 [&_:is(strong,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:font-semibold [&_:is(h1)]:text-2xl [&_:is(h2)]:text-lg [&_:is(h3)]:text-md [&_h1:not(:first-child)]:mt-8 [&_h1:not(:last-child)]:mb-6 [&_h2:not(:first-child)]:mt-6 [&_h2:not(:last-child)]:mb-4 [&_h3:not(:first-child)]:mt-4 [&_pre]:bg-palette-gray-200 [&_pre>code]:bg-transparent...

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