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The Gray Report Podcast

The Gray Report Podcast

Hosted by Spencer Gray

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Episodes

239

Latest episode

Jun 2026

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EN

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The Gray Report Podcast, hosted by Gray Capital President and CEO Spencer Gray, covers the latest news and research on multifamily apartments, the housing market, and the macro-economy. Along with analysis and commentary on the most important trends for multifamily investors, episodes include interviews with industry experts and in-depth explanations of the crucial concepts and evolving conversations in the apartment industry and the commercial real estate investment market.

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June 12, 20261 hr 20 min

2026 at the Halfway Point

Spencer and Griffin break down what the first half of 2026 is really telling us about multifamily real estate, the macro economy, and where the opportunities are hiding. Headline CPI came in at 4.2% — but is that the real story? The team makes the case that core inflation, lagging shelter data, and oil-driven volatility are distorting the headline number, and that the underlying picture may be closer to 3% than 4%.With Kevin Warsh at the helm of the Fed, the rate cut narrative is essentially dead. Markets are now pricing a rate hike as more likely than a cut by year-end — and that's creating a pressure cooker for owners who bet on refinancing relief. Spencer walks through what that means for deal flow, distressed sellers, and why patient, long-term buyers in the right markets are quietly in a very good position.Speaking of the right markets — the Midwest story keeps getting stronger. Q1 2026 deliveries in the Midwest dropped 60% from the three-year average, net migration into the region has flipped from deeply negative to positive for the first time in years, and effective rents are growing again. Meanwhile, the AI infrastructure build-out continues to accelerate, with Meta's just-announced $115M skilled trades academy with Indianapolis as one of four pilot sites.We close with the Q2 Fear & Greed Index from CRE Daily and John Burns Research: 71% of investors are on hold, a record high. Gray Capital is in the 20% that's actively deploying.Subscribe to The Gray Report for weekly breakdowns of multifamily real estate, commercial real estate markets, and the macroeconomic trends shaping where we invest.https://www.graycapitalllc.com/

June 5, 20261 hr 26 min

AI, Energy, and Multifamily

The Gray Report is back with one of its widest ranging episodes yet. Spencer Gray and Griffin Haddad cut through the noise on everything from geopolitics to ground-level multifamily operations.This week: Bill Pulte just added Director of National Intelligence to his FHFA responsibilities — what does that mean for the long-anticipated Fannie & Freddie IPO? Oil prices are back down despite the Strait of Hormuz remaining closed, markets are pricing in a ceasefire, and rate cut hopes have nearly evaporated — where does that leave multifamily deals trying to refinance in 2026?Spencer makes the case for data centers in the face of growing NIMBY backlash, breaking down why the environmental concerns are largely overblown and why resisting the AI buildout is like refusing to get internet in 1995. Plus — the CRE distress cycle is finally coming to a head. With $76.6 billion in CMBS loans maturing this year and delinquencies at post-2008 highs, the "extend and pretend" era is over. High-profile operators are losing investor capital, and the market is being forced to flush.The guys also break down how Gray Capital is using AI internally to eliminate up to $1M/year in software costs while actually growing headcount — and close out with a Jargon Bin deep-dive on the three offering documents every LP needs to understand before signing anything: the PPM, Subscription Agreement, and Operating Agreement.New episodes every week. Subscribe, drop a comment, and share with a fellow investor.📧 Get the #1 multifamily newsletter and explore investment opportunities → GrayCapitalLLC.com

May 29, 20261 hr 41 min

Is the "Extend and Pretend" Era Over?

The multifamily market is finally hitting its inflection point. Spencer Gray and Griffin Haddad break down the growing wave of high-profile distress hitting syndicators, and what it means for investors across the country.In this episode:• Why "extend and pretend" is ending for overextended multifamily assets• The $15M equity wipeout at Open Door Capital and other notable distress stories• How the war in Iran, rising oil prices, and higher interest rates are reshaping the market• What makes Gray Capital's portfolio different from deals currently in trouble• Deep dive into Newmark's Q1 2026 US Multifamily Capital Markets Report• RealPage Analytics on how interest rate resets changed the rules for multifamily capital markets• How capital rotation has re-priced newly built multifamily• Cap rate trends and where interest rates may be headedPlus: Gray Capital closes $22M raise for Fairmont Apartments in just 12 days, a recap of their annual Indy 500 investor event, and congratulations to race winner Felix Rosenqvist!📩 Interested in investing with Gray Capital? Visit graycapitalllc.com🔔 Subscribe for weekly multifamily market updates every week

May 22, 202642 min

Investor Conversation: Mike Montana

What does it look like to build steadily in real estate for 25 years — starting with a duplex, doing the work yourself, and growing one deal at a time — before most people in the industry even know your name? In this episode of The Gray Report, Spencer Gray sits down with longtime friend and LP Mike Montana of Kipper Construction for a candid conversation about an unconventional path from aspiring preacher to pharmaceutical sales rep to full-time real estate investor and builder.Mike's approach has always been straightforward: buy things that cashflow, do right by your partners, and keep showing up. This conversation is a reflection of that.In this episode:• From preaching to properties: the winding road that brought Mike to real estate• The Rich Dad, Poor Dad moment that changed how he thought about money• Flipping houses before 2008 — and getting out just in time• How Kipper Construction grew from managing their own properties to running 90% third-party projects• The leap from value-add to ground-up development, and what that process really looks like• Why Mike is still bullish on multifamily — and how he thinks about housing demand and the Midwest market🔗 Learn more about Kipper Construction: kipperconstruction.com🔗 Learn more about Gray Capital: graycapitalllc.comSubscribe to The Gray Report for more investor conversations, market insights, and multifamily deep dives.

May 21, 202641 min

Investor Conversation: Kevin Hejnas

What does building a fitness business from scratch have to do with multifamily investing? More than you'd think. In this episode of Gray Report Investor Conversations, Spencer Gray sits down with Kevin Hejnas — online fitness coach, entrepreneur, and Gray Capital investor — for a candid conversation about the mindset, discipline, and compounding habits that drive success in both worlds. Kevin went from overweight kid to pharmacy school to building a 1,200-client coaching business with hundreds of thousands of followers and features in Men's Health. He also happens to trust Gray Capital with his money and tells his friends to do the same.In this episode:Kevin's origin story: from being bullied as a kid to building a fitness business from scratchWhy he walked away from pharmacy school on the day he finished rotationsFitness trends worth your time — and the ones that aren'tThe only two things that actually move the needle in fitnessTraining for his first triathlon — and why being a beginner again makes him a better coachHow Kevin thinks about passive income and why he keeps investing with Gray CapitalWhether you're here for the fitness insights or the investing angle, this one's worth the full watch.🔗 Follow Kevin: instagram.com/hejnasty | hejnasty.com🔗 Learn more about Gray Capital: graycapitalllc.comSubscribe to The Gray Report for more investor conversations, market insights, and multifamily deep dives.

May 20, 202646 min

Investor Conversation: Quitting Institutional Lending to Build C-PORT | Ryan Duff

What does it look like to spend 15 years placing nearly $5 billion in multifamily debt — and then bet on yourself to build something entirely different? In the debut episode of Gray Report Investor Conversations, Spencer Gray sits down with Ryan Duff of C-PORT Equity for a candid conversation about Ryan's journey from analyst to originator to fund manager, and the unique microfund strategy he's built to give investors diversified, curated access to multifamily real estate.Ryan breaks down why he walked away from institutional lending, what it really takes to raise capital when you're starting from scratch, and how C PORT's fund structure differs from traditional blind funds and single-asset syndications.Whether you're new to multifamily investing or a seasoned LP, this conversation offers a rare look at how the other side of the capital stack thinks.🔗 Learn more about C-PORT Equity: https://www.c-portequity.com/🔗 Learn more about Gray Capital: https://www.graycapitalllc.comSubscribe to The Gray Report for more investor conversations, market insights, and multifamily deep dives.

May 15, 20261 hr 12 min

The Gray Report: Introducing the Gray Capital Deal Room

This week on The Gray Report, Spencer Gray and Griffin Haddad cover the latest CPI print that's coming in hotter than expected, what it means for interest rates as Kevin Warsh prepares to take Jerome Powell's seat, and why oil hovering above $100/barrel keeps inflation sticky across the entire economy.Then, the guys dig into a Multifamily Dive piece on Camden Property Trust's outlook for the back half of 2026 — are they seeing real light at the end of the supply tunnel, or are they just talking their book ahead of earnings?Plus, an extended look at Gray Capital's brand-new AI-powered interactive deal room for their latest acquisition, Fairmont Apartments in Westerville, Ohio (Columbus MSA). Griffin walks through how they replaced the traditional PDF pitch deck with a fully interactive platform — complete with stress-tested underwriting, Monte Carlo simulations, a multi-agent adversarial analysis engine, and an AI chatbot that'll even answer "how does Gray Capital screw this deal up?"📩 Accredited investor? Explore the Fairmont deal room at https://dealroom.graycapitalllc.com

May 1, 20261 hr 19 min

Preparing for a Deal

The Gray Report: Why Renters Are Driving 80% of U.S. Household GrowthIn this episode of The Gray Report, Spencer Gray and Griffin Haddad tackle the massive shift in the U.S. housing market: renters now represent 80% of all household growth. As single-family home affordability remains a challenge, the demand for high-quality rental housing is reaching new heights, especially in the "Midwestern Renaissance" markets. The guys also dive into the shifting guard at the Federal Reserve, discussing Kevin Warsh’s potential impact as the new Fed Chairman and what his stance on mortgage-backed securities could mean for long-term cap rates. Plus, a major announcement as Gray Capital prepares to establish a new "management node" in Columbus, Ohio. In This Episode, You’ll Learn:The Renter Revolution: Why 46.1 million Americans are now renting and what this persistent demand means for multifamily stability. The Midwest Advantage: How slowing construction and surging job growth from tech and manufacturing are "spring-loading" fundamentals in cities like Indianapolis and Columbus. Safe Haven Assets: A look at why multifamily remains a powerful diversifier in an era of $100+ oil and volatile gold prices. Acquisition Discipline: Behind the scenes of Gray Capital’s deal pipeline—why passing on 140 deals leads to finding high-conviction, cash-flowing assets. Columbus Expansion: A deep dive into the similarities between Indy and Columbus and why we are aggressively building scale in the Ohio market. Connect with Gray Capital:Gray Capital Investor Portal: Create a free account to access our live, AI-powered deal room and get first access to our Columbus, OH acquisition. Website: GrayCapitalLLC.com

April 24, 20261 hr 21 min

Are Housing Supply Challenges Here to Stay?

Are we facing a housing crisis or a housing "challenge"? In this episode, Spencer Gray and Griffin Haddad break down the complex reality of the U.S. housing market. While new apartment deliveries have hit multi-decade highs, a structural decline in supply is already on the horizon.The guys dive into fresh data from the St. Louis Fed and Cushman & Wakefield, exploring how everything from interest rate spikes to international tariffs is reshaping the future of commercial real estate. Plus, stay tuned for a new Jargon Bin segment where we demystify "Lease-Ups" and what they mean for savvy investors.In This Episode, You’ll Learn:The "America Underbuilt" Report: Why building permits are hitting a structural decline and what that means for the next decade of real estate.The Impact of Tariffs: How trade policies and material costs (steel, aluminum, and copper) are inflating project budgets by 3% to 6%.Jargon Bin - Lease-Ups: A deep dive into the transition from a "physical asset" to a "revenue-generating asset" and the red flags to watch for during acquisition.Market Boots on the Ground: Griffin shares insights from a recent real estate conference in West Palm Beach and the surprising connections made on the golf course.Gray Capital Update: A look at our current deal pipeline and why 2026 is shaping up to be a generational opportunity for disciplined investors.Connect With Us:Portal: GrayCapitalLLC.comYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrayCapitalSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0ke5SXGaQt7QXie6YwM7Zt?si=d9e19f192dc14257#RealEstate #Multifamily #TheGrayReport #MarketAnalysis

April 17, 20261 hr 23 min

A Matrix of Multifamily Matrices

In this episode of The Gray Report, Spencer Gray sits down with CIO Jay Reeder to break down what’s happening in the multifamily real estate market. They cover why Indianapolis is emerging as a top investment market, how current economic conditions are impacting deals, and key concepts like DSCR in a simple, practical way. Blending market insights with real-world experience, the conversation gives investors a clear look at how deals are evaluated, managed, and executed in today’s environment.

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