The Duct Tape Marketing Podcast

Paul Chaney is a veteran digital marketer, B2B content strategist, and publisher of the AI Marketing Ethics Digest on Substack. In this episode, Paul joins host John Jantsch to explore the crucial yet overlooked intersection of AI and marketing ethics. From the risks of "shadow AI" and techno-stress to building responsible governance frameworks and his Generative AI Business Adoption Hierarchy, Paul offers a grounded, strategic perspective on how businesses can navigate AI adoption with integrity. Tune in to learn why ethical guardrails aren't just about compliance—they're essential for protecting your brand, your team, and your customers. Today we discussed: 00:09 Introducing Paul Chaney 00:42 Why Paul launched the AI Marketing Ethics Digest 02:58 Transparency, bias, and brand reputation in AI output 05:00 Strategy before technology: avoiding “bad work faster 06:55 What “shadow AI” is and how it can harm organizations 07:55 The need for usage policies and monitoring internal AI use 10:32 The Generative AI Business Adoption Hierarchy explained 13:20 Embedding AI into business culture with governance and clarity 15:27 What is AI techno-stress and how is it impacting workforces? 18:02 Lack of training is a hidden ethical risk for employee well-being 20:08 Why many business owners may give up on AI—and what that means for consultants Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts

Sara Nay, CEO of Duct Tape Marketing and longtime collaborator with John Jantsch, joins the show to unveil a bold new approach to delivering marketing services—the Anti-Agency Model. With over 15 years of experience leading strategy and innovation, Sara breaks down why the traditional agency model is failing both marketers and small businesses, and how AI is reshaping everything from execution to internal team leadership. This episode explores the shift from outsourced marketing to building in-house systems supported by AI, empowering businesses to take ownership of their growth. Tune in to discover how agencies and fractional CMOs can embrace this future-ready model and drive deeper value for clients. Today we discussed: 00:00 Introduction 01:18 How the current agency model fails businesses and agencies alike 02:48 The misalignment between agency incentives and business goals 03:26 Using AI to elevate—not eliminate—marketers 07:06 The evolution toward system installers and strategic leaders 09:47 Business owner reactions to the anti-agency concept 12:13 Adding consistency as the fourth “C” of effective marketing 13:53 Workshop overview: structure, tools, and outcomes 15:57 Licensing a system, not just learning a method 17:19 Who this workshop is designed to help 18:23 Who your ideal client is for this new model Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts

Anne-Laure Le Cunff is a neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and founder of the wildly popular Ness Labs—a platform focused on mindful productivity and creative experimentation. A former marketing executive at Google, Anne-Laure brings both scientific rigor and real-world insight to the conversation. In this episode, she shares ideas from her new book Tiny Experiments, revealing how to break free from rigid goal-setting and design small, curiosity-driven experiments that foster personal and professional growth. Listeners will walk away with a powerful mindset shift and practical tools for embracing uncertainty and unlocking creativity through experimentation. Today we discussed: 00:09 Introduction to Anne-Laure and the concept behind Tiny Experiments 02:11 How a health scare triggered Anne-Laure's career shift 03:41 Why we're obsessed with goals—and how it can be harmful 05:42 The myth of public accountability: Why telling people your goals might not help 06:47 What exactly is a tiny experiment? 07:36 Reframing weight loss or health goals as experiments 09:33 Applying the PACT framework to business and marketing 11:47 How fear of failure—and fear of success—affect experimentation 13:23 Practicing curiosity-driven intelligence in life and business 16:54 Using AI as a tool for reflection and experiment design 17:57 Personal stories: How tiny experiments shaped Anne-Laure’s life and work 19:53 Where to connect with Anne-Laure and learn more More About Anne-Laure Le Cunff: Check out Anne-Laure Le Cunff's Website: https://nesslabs.com Tiny Experiments by Anne-Laure Le Cunff on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=tiny+experiments+anne-laure+le+cunff Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts

Jonathan Grabowski is the co-founder and Chief Marketing Officer of Penji, an innovative on-demand graphic design platform known for delivering unlimited custom design services with a human-first approach. Under his leadership, Penji has grown into a 500-person global team by blending systematized creative services with deep empathy and customer care. In this episode, Jonathan shares how businesses can scale design, improve customer experience, and outshine competitors by focusing on connection over convenience. Discover why human interaction still trumps AI in branding and how empathy is a true growth tactic for modern entrepreneurs. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 Introducing Johnathan Grzybowski 01:53 The Origin of Penji 05:46 How to Establish a Brand Identity 08:25 The Human Element of Penji 09:47 Penji Success Stories 14:13 How AI Affects the Design Workflow Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts

Suzy Welch is a New York Times bestselling author, and professor at NYU Stern School of Business. She’s also the creator of Becoming You, a proven method for aligning your values, aptitudes, and interests to design a purpose-driven career. In this episode, Suzy shares how her transformative framework helps individuals cut through the noise and find true clarity about who they are and what they’re meant to do. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 Introducing Suzy Welsh 01:24 What Inspired Becoming You 03:02 Finding Your Purpose 07:07 Moving Past the Fear of Finding Your Purpose 10:25 Discovering Your Aptitudes 13:26 The Balance Between Joy and Financial Security 14:47 Finding You at Any Age 16:56 Impact of AI on the Workplace More About Suzy Welch: Check out Suzy Welch's Website: https://www.suzywelch.com Connect with Suzy Welch on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/suzywelch/ Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts

Keith Lauver is a serial entrepreneur, seasoned marketing strategist, and founder of Atomic Elevator, the company behind Ella—an AI-powered marketing platform transforming how brands approach strategy and execution. He has launched six companies and raised over $34 million through product-driven growth. In this episode, Keith shares how High Definition Marketing and AI tools like Ella are redefining marketing for small businesses and agencies alike. Discover how to align your marketing strategy with execution, break through brand stagnation, and drive real business growth with smarter, not louder, tactics. Today we discussed: 00:00 Introduction 00:41 What is High Definition Marketing? 01:59 How Has Marketing Strategy Changed? 08:17 ELLA and DTM Partnership 12:52 ELLA Elevates Your Marketing Team 16:46 How are AI Tools Evolving? More About Keith Lauver: Check out Keith Lauver's Website: https://www.atomicelevator.com Connect with Keith Lauver's on LinkedIn: https://⁠www.linkedin.com/in/keithdlauver/⁠ Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts

John breaks down five powerful ways to use Google Search Console to transform your SEO strategy. From uncovering high-intent search queries to improving click-through rates and measuring true search visibility, this episode offers practical insights that go far beyond rankings. If you're ready to turn SEO data into real business results, this episode is a must-listen. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 SEO is Not Dead 02:53 Intent and Content Opportunities 05:12 Local and Branded Visibility Signals 05:53 Measuring Trust and Visibility 07:05 Fixing Technical Problems 08:06 Guiding AI Content Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today!

Mark Schaefer is a globally recognized marketing futurist, bestselling author of Marketing Rebellion and The Content Code, and host of the top-ranked Marketing Companion podcast. He’s also a keynote speaker and trusted strategy consultant to some of the world’s leading brands. In this episode, Mark joins the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast to discuss his latest book, Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World. He shares powerful insights on why human-centered marketing is the antidote to AI saturation and how bold, creative branding, emotional connection, and shared experiences are reshaping modern marketing strategy. If you're looking to stand out in the age of automation, this episode is your roadmap. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 Introducing Mark Schaefer 00:59 Where Do Humans Fit in an AI Dominated World? 04:09 A World Without Shared Experiences 07:00 How to Out-Human AI 09:44 Embracing Every Day Awe 13:08 How AI is Changing Consumer Behavior 17:25 Story of the Book Cover 19:17 Start with Wrong Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts

Dan Sanchez is an AI marketing strategist, consultant, and creator of the AI-Driven Marketer podcast. He’s a leading voice in the intersection of artificial intelligence and marketing strategy, helping businesses harness AI for content creation, automation, and growth. In this episode, Dan shares how marketers can think strategically about AI tools like ChatGPT—using them not just to automate tasks, but to enhance problem-solving, productivity, and creative strategy. Tune in to learn how to cut through the noise, avoid overwhelm, and make AI your most valuable co-pilot in the ever-evolving world of marketing. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 Introducing Dan Sanchez 01:57 Approaching AI Strategically 04:04 Creating New Things with AI 06:36 Evolution of AI Prompting 08:50 Humans Changing Role in Marketing 11:38 Developing Skills vs Delegating Tasks 13:51 AI Agents Affect on Marketing 17:50 Advice on Using Deep Research More About Dan Sanchez: Check out Dan Sanchez's Website: https://danchez.com Connect with Dan Sanchez on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/digitalmarketingdan/ Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts

Marcus Sheridan is a globally recognized keynote speaker, author of They Ask, You Answer, and founder of one of the world’s most visited swimming pool websites. With over 750 keynotes delivered—including TEDx—and features in The New York Times and Forbes, Marcus is a trusted voice in content marketing and brand transparency. In this episode, he shares how businesses can dominate their industries by building customer trust by embracing self-service tools, and saying what competitors won’t. Tune in to learn how to rethink your marketing strategy, leverage video content, and future-proof your brand in an AI-driven world. Today we discussed: [00:00] Opening [00:09] Introducing Marcus Sheridan [02:10] Building a Known and Trusted Brand [06:18] Thinking Like a Media Company [11:20] Using AI to Help With Promotion [15:25] Mitigating Risk for Customers [20:05] Controlling the Conversation More About Marcus Sheridan: Check out Marcus Sheridan's Website: https://www.marcussheridan.com Connect with Marcus Sheridan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcussheridan/ Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today! 👉 Get Your Free Prompts: https://dtm.world/freeprompts