The Business as Mission Podcast

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Discover how faith and business come together through inspiring conversations on Business as Mission (BAM). Join João and Jono as they share practical insights to help you lead with purpose and make an eternal impact.

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September 1, 2026Episode 340 min

Business as Mission Pioneer Reveals: Why It’s Time to Pass the Baton

Are you ready to multiply your kingdom impact by empowering the next generation? In this episode of The Business as Mission Podcast, pioneer Mike Baer shares crucial insights on passing the baton, breaking the sacred-secular divide, and stepping into intentional kingdom business leadership. Transitioning from active leadership to mentoring requires a fundamental shift in identity and purpose. In this candid conversation, hosts Jono Brake and João Mordomo chat with BAM veteran Mike Baer about his transition into a legacy role focused on multiplication and sage-level coaching. Discover how viewing business as mission transforms workplace ministry, dismantles the false sacred-secular split, and empowers leaders to fulfill the Great Commission among unreached peoples. Key Takeaways • Dismantling the Sacred vs. Secular Myth: Learn why business is not just a secondary funding mechanism, but a direct, primary platform for Great Commission disciple-making. • The Power of 2 Timothy 2:2 Multiplication: Discover why true kingdom leadership requires stepping out of the spotlight to coach and raise up the next generation of marketplace pioneers. •From Marketplace Skills to Kingdom Value: See how foundational pastoral communication and problem-solving skills translate directly into high-impact corporate consulting and lean business execution. • Reclaiming Identity Beyond What You Do: Unpack the crucial spiritual lesson of anchoring identity in being a friend of God rather than tying personal worth to corporate titles or active ministry roles. Connect with Us:Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@officialbampodcastTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@officialbampodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialbampodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialbampodcast/

August 18, 2026Episode 237 min

What Does a Disciple-Making Business ACTUALLY Look Like?

What happens when business leaders rethink ministry and take business as mission beyond traditional church walls? Join Mike Bear, Joáo Mordomo and Jono Brake as they discuss the future of the podcast and what it really takes to build a marketplace church.In this transition episode, Mike Bear hands over official hosting duties to Jono Brake and Joáo Mordomo, marking an exciting new chapter for the podcast. Together, the trio explores how entrepreneurs, coaches, and executives can run a true disciple making business grounded in Christ rather than religious obligation. You will gain insights into the theology of work, relational ministry in corporate spaces, and how to reach unreached segments of society right where you operate.Key Takeaways• Podcast Leadership Handoff: Mike Bear officially transitions hosting responsibilities to Jono Brake and Joáo Mordomo while remaining connected to the BAM community.• Building a Marketplace Church: The team discusses how gathering and discipling believers outside Sunday services creates access to previously unreached business environments.• Living Out Business as Mission: True impact comes from leading out of your identity in Christ rather than performance-driven guilt or ethical legalism.• Relational Ministry in Action: Real stories demonstrate how executive coaching and workplace presence open doors to pastor people through personal crises. Connect with Us:Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@officialbampodcastTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@officialbampodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialbampodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialbampodcast/#BusinessAsMission #BAM #MarketplaceCalling

August 4, 2026Episode 133 min

New Hosts, New Vision: What’s Next for the BAM Podcast?

The Business as Mission movement is entering a brand-new season! In this special transition episode, we sit down with outgoing host Mike Baer and the new faces taking over the podcast to discuss where the global BAM movement is heading next.Whether you are a seasoned entrepreneur or just discovering how to integrate your faith and work, this conversation uncovers what the next 25 years of kingdom business will look like. You will learn how the global ecosystem is shifting to empower younger generations, why practical business excellence is vital for spiritual impact, and how everyday marketplace ministry is reaching the unreached around the world.Key Takeaways:• The Next Chapter (BAM 2.0): Discover the insights gained from global leaders at the recent conference in the Philippines and what they mean for the future of the movement.• Passing the Baton: Outgoing host Mike explains his transition into an intentional multiplication role and why handing off leadership is healthy for a thriving movement.• Meet the New Hosts: Get to know João Mordomo (Executive Director of BAM Global) and Jonathan "Jono" Brake (Leadership Coach and marketplace pastor) as they share their backgrounds and heart for the podcast.• Focus on the Next Generation: Why the global community is prioritizing investing in emerging leaders, younger generations, and deeper generational coaching.• Practical Business Excellence: Learn why running a high-quality, excellent company is the ultimate lever for making disciples and transforming societies. Connect with Us:Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@officialbampodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialbampodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialbampodcast/#BusinessAsMission #BAM #MarketplaceCalling

July 21, 2026Episode 16253 min

The 60-Year Faith Legacy of Zor Engineering (Business as Mission Pioneer)

Discover how Dan and Ruth Bavington pioneered Business as Mission in the 1960s by launching Zor Engineering, the oldest known successful BAM company in Pakistan. Learn how they built a legacy of uncompromising biblical integrity that has survived over six decades and multiple generations.In this special episode, you will hear a powerful firsthand account of what it takes to plant and grow a kingdom business in a highly challenging environment. The founders share the incredible trials, divine interventions, and everyday steps of faith required to manage hundreds of workers and navigate systemic corruption. If you are looking for a real-world blueprint on how a company can remain deeply profitable and faithful to God for decades, this interview provides the ultimate map.Key Takeaways• The Blueprint of Faith Over Capital: How Zor Engineering was registered as a local entity with a broad engineering scope, relying on divine opportunities rather than upfront wealth.• The Cost of Uncompromising Integrity: Real stories of massive contracts lost due to refusing to pay bribes, balanced by a miraculous divine connection that saved the company from bankruptcy.• A Strategic Multi-Faith Workplace: How creating a platform for Christian and Muslim laborers to work alongside each other became a powerful, non-preachy lifestyle witness.• Filling the Business Marketplace Gap: Why local Christian communities shouldn't limit their professions strictly to medicine or education, but embrace commercial trade as a holy calling.Topics Covered in this EpisodeThis interview explores the foundational history of Zor Engineering and the early evolution of the global Business as Mission movement. We look at how Christian entrepreneurs operate in South Asia, the complexities of managing cross-cultural teams, handling systemic bribery in the international marketplace, and leaving a generational kingdom legacy through a strictly local corporate structure. Connect with Us:Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-business-as-mission-podcast-with-mike-baer/id1551867793Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Gp5SOOHFggJ67vPA5qxkDTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@officialbampodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialbampodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialbampodcast/#BusinessAsMission #BAM #MarketplaceCalling

July 7, 2026Episode 16147 min

Don't Cling to the Position: Building a Culture of Continuity

How do you navigate a leadership transition in ministry or a faith-driven business without dropping the baton? In this episode, we dive into the painful yet crucial reality of succession planning for ministries and faith-based organizations to ensure your kingdom impact multiplies even after you step away. Every founder, pastor, and faith-driven business owner will eventually face a leadership transition, but few are truly prepared for the change. Whether you are navigating a pastoral change proactively or picking up the pieces after an unexpected exit, succession planning is fundamentally a discipleship plan . True kingdom business continuity isn't just about protecting your position—it's about learning how to handle the personal identity shifts, painful wrenchings, and surprising gifts that come with finding your next God-given assignment.Key Takeaways:• Succession is Discipleship: Why a healthily structured succession plan is actually a vital spiritual practice for mentoring the next generation of leaders.• The Identity Trap: How to separate your eternal identity in Christ from your temporary professional assignment or title.• Building Continuity: Why leadership teams should start discussing their last day on the job from their very first day.• Navigating the Pain of Change: Practical steps to transition staff members gracefully, avoiding toxic exits that damage your ministry's witness. Connect with Us:Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-business-as-mission-podcast-with-mike-baer/id1551867793Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Gp5SOOHFggJ67vPA5qxkDTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@officialbampodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialbampodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialbampodcast/#BusinessAsMission #BAM #MarketplaceCalling

June 30, 2026Episode 16046 min

Spiritual Warfare in Business: The 13-Year Lie That Cost Me Everything

Discover how to recognize subtle spiritual warfare in business and protect your organization from deceptive leadership traps. Learn the critical warning signs of manipulation so you can stand firm against the enemy's attacks on your calling.In this powerful episode, Redemption Press founder Athena Dean Holtz shares her raw journey of losing a $3.5 million company to a deceptive, cult-like ministry group. You will discover how unprocessed trauma and church hurt can leave Christian business owners highly vulnerable to spiritual abuse and gaslighting. By understanding how guerrilla warfare tactics operate in the spiritual realm, you will gain the insight needed to guard your heart, forgive your attackers, and experience true redemption in your life and work.Key Takeaways• The Danger of Masking Trauma with Success: How using work and business achievements as a "medication" leaves you wide open to spiritual deception.• Spotting the Red Flags of Spiritual Abuse: Recognizing how manipulators misquote scripture out of context to advance their own financial agendas.• Guerrilla Warfare in the Spiritual Realm: Why you absolutely cannot resist an enemy tactic that you do not first recognize.• The Hidden Idolatry of Wounds: A deep dive into the Hebrew meaning of Psalm 147, revealing how holding onto past pain allows it to control you instead of God.Topics Covered in this VideoSpiritual warfare in business, Christian business coaching, recovering from church hurt, recognizing spiritual abuse, faith-based business leadership, Business as Mission (BAM), overcoming deception in ministry, marketplace ministry challenges, spiritual discernment for entrepreneurs, healing emotional trauma, Christian publishing industry secrets, biblical conflict resolution. #SpiritualWarfare #ChristianBusiness #BusinessAsMission Connect with Us:Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-business-as-mission-podcast-with-mike-baer/id1551867793Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Gp5SOOHFggJ67vPA5qxkDTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@officialbampodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialbampodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialbampodcast/#BusinessAsMission #BAM #MarketplaceCalling

June 16, 2026Episode 15935 min

Stop Stifling Creativity: Teaching Kids Business as Mission

Can we teach child entrepreneurs to challenge the status quo and build sustainable businesses? In this episode, we dive into how intentional entrepreneurial training for kids is sparking a cultural shift that empowers the next generation to lead right now. Most traditional systems inadvertently stifle the innate creativity of young minds before they ever get a chance to launch a venture. By introducing strategic business concepts and economic responsibility during the prime development window, we can foster a global generation of problem-solvers. Discover how a simple question from a four-year-old blossomed into a nationwide movement that is rewriting local legislation and equipping families to cultivate real-world leadership skills at home. Key Takeaways• The Golden Window: Why the ages of 8 to 12 represent the absolute best, most creative developmental stage for introducing young people to business ownership.• Legislation for Innovation: Understanding "Lemonade Stand Laws" and how current grassroots efforts are working to remove restrictive legal barriers for experimental childhood ventures.• Beyond Financial Literacy: How early entrepreneurial training actively builds lifelong resilience, confidence, community connection, and active citizenship.• Co-ops and Community: Practical strategies for testing and scaling youth business curriculums within local homeschool pods, parks departments, and community groups.Topics covered in this video:Society of Child Entrepreneurs, business as mission, youth entrepreneurship curriculum, teaching kids business, lemonade stand laws, SOCE, early childhood business training, faith and business, BAM global movement, homeschool business co-op, empowering young leaders, creative problem solving for kids. #BusinessAsMission #ChildEntrepreneurs #YouthEntrepreneurship Connect with Us:Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-business-as-mission-podcast-with-mike-baer/id1551867793Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Gp5SOOHFggJ67vPA5qxkDTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@officialbampodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialbampodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialbampodcast/#BusinessAsMission #BAM #MarketplaceCalling

June 2, 2026Episode 15840 min

Lone Rangers in BAM: Signs of Overwhelming Stress with Curt Spigelmyre

Discover how to identify and conquer BAM practitioners burnout before it cuts your calling short. Licensed family therapist Curt Spigelmyre shares critical insights into maintaining missionary mental health while navigating the unique pressures of the marketplace.Operating a business in a foreign culture brings intense pressure, often forcing faith-based entrepreneurs into isolation. In this episode, we unpack the primary Business as Mission challenges that lead to emotional exhaustion and family strain. You will learn how your physical body signals dangerous stress levels, why independent professionals wait too long to seek support, and how to safely unpack your burdens with confidential care.Key Takeaways:• The Body Keeps the Score: How chronic headaches, respiratory issues, and stomach problems are often physical manifestations of unaddressed emotional trauma and field stress.• The "Lone Ranger" Trap: Why Business as Mission professionals face a higher risk of isolation due to security platform constraints and a lack of traditional agency member care.• The Attrition Crisis: An honest look at why highly trained practitioners are leaving the field faster than ever and how marital or family baggage follows you across borders.• Safe Confidentiality: The vital importance of finding a support network or therapist outside your immediate organization to share struggles without fear of judgment or being sent home.• Practical Soul Rest: Shifting from trying to "tough it out" alone to leaning into community and healthy spiritual rhythms.Topics covered in this video:Member care for BAM professionals, mental health for expats, signs of missionary burnout, Business as Mission entrepreneur stress, overseas business challenges, Christian counseling for missionaries, emotional health in ministry, family therapy on the mission field, preventing ministry attrition, Global Counseling Network, Paraclete Mission Group, managing stress in isolation. #BusinessAsMission #MissionaryMental Health #BAMBurnout

May 18, 2026Episode 15757 min

From Corporate Servitude to Kingdom Freedom: The Wink Movement

Discover how to practice Business as Mission by keeping God in the middle of your corporate career. Adri Dornbrack shares her journey of moving from "slavery" in Egypt to a life of freedom through faith and work integration.In this episode, HR professional Adri Dornbrack reveals how she navigated the secular corporate world without leaving her faith at the door. You will learn how to measure the "heartbeat" of an organization using a biblical corporate culture assessment and how to find peace even when you are told you "no longer fit the strategy". This conversation is a practical guide for any leader wanting to transform their workplace into a mission field through simple, consistent, and spiritual stewardship.Key Takeaways• The "God in the Middle" Philosophy: Understanding why the simplest definition of Business as Mission—no separation between work and faith—is the most powerful.• Measuring Organizational Heartbeat: Using a scorecard to monitor culture through leadership, human, process, client, and social capital.• Navigating "Locust Seasons": Finding divine restoration and peace when a business faces trials or financial loss.•The Exodus Shift: Moving from "Egypt" (self-dependence in work) to "Jerusalem" (total dependence on God).• The "God-Wink" Method: Learning to recognize divine guidance through scripture, timing, and "winks" from God in your professional life.This video explores Business as Mission (BAM) strategies for HR professionals and executives. We discuss biblical principles for business, creating a Christian corporate culture, and the Wink Movement for spiritual growth. Other topics include Christian stewardship, faith-based leadership, and overcoming career transitions with a biblical worldview.#BusinessAsMission #FaithAndWork #ChristianLeadershipSubscribe and hit the bell icon to stay updated with our latest content!Connect with Us:Website: https://thirdpathinitiative.comApple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-business-as-mission-podcast-with-mike-baer/id1551867793Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Gp5SOOHFggJ67vPA5qxkDLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikebaerFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thirdpathinitiativeInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thirdpathinitiativeAbout Third Path InitiativeThird Path Initiative exists to equip believers to build sustainable, missional businesses that bring the gospel to the least reached. Through training, storytelling, and practical tools, we mobilize and support Business as Mission practitioners around the world. Thank you for being part of the mission!Don't forget to pick up a copy of Mike Baer's books! Check the link below! ➡️ https://books.by/mike-baer#BusinessAsMission #BAM #MarketplaceCalling

May 4, 2026Episode 15653 min

From Family Ranch to Feeding the Nations: A Kingdom Vision for Agriculture

Discover how agribusiness as mission can transform a traditional family farm into a global force for good. Third-generation rancher Luis Camillo Moron shares how shifting from a survival mindset to a kingdom-focused generational business legacy can feed the world. In this episode, we dive into the powerful story of a cattle rancher who moved from Bogota back to his family’s land to fulfill a calling he didn't initially understand . You will learn how to differentiate between basic agriculture and a sophisticated agribusiness as mission strategy that scales impact. Luis explains how the "process" of farming mirrors the spiritual process of growth and how your business can become a vehicle for feeding the nations . Key Takeaways: • The Shift to Agribusiness: Understanding the critical difference between subsistence farming and running a professional agricultural company. • Overcoming Dangerous Seasons: How the previous generation maintained the business through times of violence and kidnapping by relying on divine protection . • A Vision for the Nations: Moving the business goal from just supporting a family to providing nourishment for the world's population . • Adapting to Technology: Why current business leaders must embrace technological tools and "Revolution 4.0" to fulfill ancient promise. #BusinessAsMission #Agribusiness #KingdomBusiness Subscribe and hit the bell icon to stay updated with our latest content! Connect with Us:Website: https://thirdpathinitiative.comApple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-business-as-mission-podcast-with-mike-baer/id1551867793Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Gp5SOOHFggJ67vPA5qxkDLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikebaerFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thirdpathinitiativeInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thirdpathinitiative About Third Path InitiativeThird Path Initiative exists to equip believers to build sustainable, missional businesses that bring the gospel to the least reached. Through training, storytelling, and practical tools, we mobilize and support Business as Mission practitioners around the world. Thank you for being part of the mission! Don't forget to pick up a copy of Mike Baer's books! Check the link below! ➡️ https://books.by/mike-baer#BusinessAsMission #BAM #MarketplaceCalling