The Big Picture Blueprint: Navigating Land, Real Estate, and Business Success

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Join Mason McDonald and Dan Haberkost, two full-time real estate investors that have unlocked financial and geographical independence, as they break down specific tactics and strategies to help you grow your business & increase profitability. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur, a seasoned business owner, an employee eyeing passive investment, or simply trying to escape the rat race, you'll walk away with tactical tips and tricks that you can apply immediately. By interviewing top minds in a multitude of industries & niches, Mason and Dan will provide you a roadmap to wealth creation, business success, and an improved lifestyle. Tune in for your blueprint to success!

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October 26, 202635 min

Land Deals Worth Doing in 2026

In this episode, Dan and Mason discuss what it takes to run a profitable land investing business in today's market. They break down which types of properties are still attracting buyers, why recreational land and larger rural properties continue to see demand, and how investors can find opportunities in markets with limited inventory and few comparable sales. They also explain why understanding your buyers, choosing the right markets, and adjusting your strategy can make a difference as competition and operating costs increase. Dan and Mason also share how their approach to land investing has changed over the years, including why smaller land flips may no longer be worth the time and expense. They discuss the importance of knowing your actual profit margins, accounting for hidden costs, and finding ways to add value by solving access, title, and development issues. From knowing when to walk away from a deal to exploring new construction and building relationships with local banks, they explain what it takes to create a more sustainable and profitable land business. Tune in to learn which land deals are worth pursuing in today's market, how to identify strong buyer demand, evaluate profit margins, manage complex property issues, and build a land investing business that can remain profitable as the market changes. Key Topics - Why recreational land and larger rural properties continue to attract buyers despite market uncertainty - How limited inventory and overlooked markets can create profitable land investment opportunities - Why understanding transaction costs, marketing expenses, and profit margins is essential before buying land - How solving property access, title, and development challenges can create value and unlock better deals - Why adapting your investment strategy, exploring new construction, and building banking relationships can help create a sustainable land business === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint

October 19, 202646 min

How to Design a Rural Subdivision

In this episode, Dan and Mason break down what goes into designing a profitable rural land subdivision. They discuss how to create a land plan that meets county regulations while accounting for road access, lot sizes, building setbacks, utilities, and challenging terrain. They also explain why understanding the physical limitations of a property before dividing it into smaller lots can help investors avoid costly mistakes and make better decisions about development. Dan and Mason also share lessons from their own subdivision projects, including why the shape and size of a lot can affect buyer interest, how certain improvements can make properties easier to sell, and why maximizing the number of lots doesn't always lead to the highest profit. They discuss the importance of walking the property, studying local sales, and understanding what buyers actually want. From creating a better mix of properties to deciding whether a major subdivision is worth the added costs and requirements, they explain how thoughtful land planning can improve both profitability and the ability to sell properties. Tune in if you want to learn how to design more profitable land subdivisions, navigate county regulations, evaluate development costs, create lots that attract buyers, and make smarter decisions about when to subdivide land and when to sell it as a larger property. === Key Topics: -Why understanding topography, utilities, and physical land constraints can prevent costly development mistakes -How lot shape, size, and layout influence buyer demand and property value -Why maximizing the number of lots doesn't always mean maximizing subdivision profits -How strategic improvements like driveways, building sites, and utility access can make land easier to sell -Why studying local market demand and understanding the costs of major subdivisions leads to better investment decisions === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint

October 12, 202647 min

Running Several Massive Land Related Businesses with Ron Apke

In this episode, Ron Apke joins us to share how he and his brother Dan went from flipping hundreds of small land deals to focusing on fewer, larger projects with better returns. Ron explains why they made that shift, what they learned from working in different markets, and why buying land is no longer as simple as it was a few years ago. He also shares how they evaluate markets today, why recent sales matter more than broad market averages, and how small improvements can make a big difference in what buyers are willing to pay. Ron also takes us behind the scenes of LandPortal, the software company he built to solve some of the challenges he faced as a land investor. He talks about using better data to find quality properties, building software around customer feedback, and why personal service still matters in a technology-driven business. The conversation also covers funding land deals, choosing between hard money and joint venture partnerships, and how targeted marketing, consistent follow-up, and strong seller relationships can create opportunities even in a slower market. The discussion also gets into lessons learned, investing outside of land, and knowing when to walk away from an opportunity. Ron shares why he regrets not making improvements to properties earlier in his career, why he is more selective about where he puts his money today, and why chasing tax benefits alone can lead to poor investment decisions. He also explains why long-term thinking and the ability to adapt are becoming more important in the land business. === Key Topics: -Why Ron Apke shifted from high-volume land flipping to fewer, larger deals with better returns -How changing market conditions are forcing land investors to rethink where and what they buy -Why simple land improvements and minor subdivisions can unlock more value and attract more buyers -How LandPortal is helping investors find better properties, analyze markets, and make smarter decisions -Why access to capital, the right funding partners, and strong seller relationships are critical to closing deals -What Ron learned from costly mistakes and why staying focused, adapting to the market, and choosing the right investments matter more than chasing every opportunity === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint Connect With Trent Cady: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/trent-cady-729b8181 Website: mikecadyhomes.com

October 5, 202653 min

The Real Agents of Del Mar #2 Featuring Trent Cady

In this episode, Trent Cady returns to share what he is seeing on the ground in North County Coastal San Diego. While condos and townhomes are struggling with higher HOA costs, insurance, and potential assessments, well priced single family homes are still moving fast. Trent explains why broad market headlines can be misleading and why the real opportunity often comes down to the property, neighborhood, and what buyers actually want. He also breaks down where he sees opportunity right now, especially in homes that need a little work. With so many buyers looking for finished properties, Trent believes there is value in being willing to take on simple improvements like flooring, paint, bathrooms, or a kitchen update. He also shares how his family brokerage continues to grow by staying focused on a specific market, providing hands on service, and doubling down on marketing while others are pulling back. The conversation also gets into relationships, referrals, and investing. Trent shares why LinkedIn, direct mail, open houses, and simply staying in touch continue to bring in business, but trust remains at the center of everything. That same mindset now shapes how he invests. After experiencing both wins and losses, he is less interested in chasing home runs and more focused on good operators, markets he understands, and keeping capital ready for the right opportunity. It is a practical conversation about knowing your lane, doing the fundamentals well, and staying patient when the right deal is not there. === Key Topics: -Why San Diego’s real estate market looks completely different depending on the property type -Where buyers can still find opportunities in a market that favors finished homes -How high touch service and local expertise are helping Trent’s team win more business -Why doubling down on marketing during a slower market can create an advantage -How referrals, social media, and real world relationships turn into long term business -Why Trent stopped chasing home run investments and started focusing on trust, track record, and what he knows best === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint Connect With Trent Cady: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/trent-cady-729b8181 Website: mikecadyhomes.com

September 28, 202639 min

Listener Questions # 5 - Cash Management in the Land Business

In this episode, Dan and Mason answer listener questions about one of the most important parts of running a real estate investing business: managing cash. They share how they use cash for acquisitions, operating expenses, paying lenders, and building investments outside the business. They also discuss the balance between cash sales and owner financing, why recurring revenue can make a business more stable, and how having access to different sources of capital can create more flexibility as you grow. Dan and Mason also open up about mistakes they’ve made with bad deals, short-term debt, and having too much money tied up in properties. They explain why investors need to think beyond the next deal or the next profitable month and instead build a business that can handle slower sales, unexpected expenses, and changes in the market. From building relationships with banks and private investors to creating backup reserves and knowing when to say no to a deal, they share how better cash management can help investors avoid big financial swings and stay consistent for the long term. Tune in if you want to learn how to manage cash more effectively in your real estate business, build recurring income, use debt more carefully, prepare for deals that take longer to sell, and create a business that can continue to grow without putting every dollar at risk. === Key Topics: -How smart cash management keeps a real estate business running consistently -Why recurring revenue can help cover operating and marketing expenses -How owner financing can create long-term cash flow while building a stronger business -Why short-term debt and having too much cash tied up in deals can create financial pressure -How building relationships with banks and investors gives you more options for funding deals -Why knowing when to say no to a deal is an important part of protecting your cash === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint

September 21, 202648 min

From Homeless to Over 100 Units with Ray Glymph

In this episode, we sit down with Ray Glymph, a full-time real estate investor who went from homelessness to building and managing a portfolio of more than 100 rental units. Ray shares some of the early mistakes that shaped the way he invests today, from paying too much for properties to over-rehabbing them. Those experiences taught him that the money is often made in the buy and in knowing where you can add value. He also explains why turnkey rentals and popular investment trends are not always as attractive as they seem. Ray breaks down how he makes decisions without letting emotion take over. He shares the four pillars he uses when looking at new opportunities — faith, family, finances, and freedom and why every opportunity is not necessarily worth pursuing. He also talks about reaching a point where having more money or more properties was no longer the main goal. For Ray, success became more about having enough, protecting his time, and building systems that allow the business to operate without needing him every day. The conversation also gets into the less exciting but important side of owning rental properties. Ray talks about keeping money in the business for repairs, building a lean team, hiring around pain points, and treating tenants like customers. He explains why keeping a good tenant can sometimes be more valuable than raising rent and why vacancy, maintenance, and poor management can quickly hurt an otherwise good investment. For anyone building a real estate portfolio or a business, Ray’s experience is a reminder that long-term success is not just about growing bigger. It is about buying carefully, managing well, surrounding yourself with the right people, and building a business that supports the life you actually want. === Key Topics: -How Ray went from homelessness to building a 100+ unit real estate portfolio -Why the money in real estate is often made when you buy -How to separate a real opportunity from a distraction -Why faith, family, finances, and freedom guide Ray’s decisions -How building the right team gives business owners more freedom -Why keeping good tenants can be more valuable than constantly raising rent === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint Connect With Ray Glymph: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/rayglymph

September 14, 202652 min

Leaders in Business: Making Millions Selling Jewelery Online with Rachel Winston

In this episode, we sit down with Rachel Winson, owner of 888 Antiques and Design Wares, to talk about how she turned a struggling business into a multimillion-dollar live selling operation. After more than 20 years in estate liquidation, Rachel gave Whatnot a try despite having no livestreaming experience or social media presence. What started as an experiment quickly took off, growing from around $100,000–$150,000 in yearly revenue to more than $800,000 in her first year on the platform and close to $3 million just a few years later. Rachel shares how listening to her customers led her from selling estate jewelry to manufacturing her own sterling silver and natural gemstone pieces. She talks about working with overseas factories, dealing with changing silver prices and tariffs, and why trust and strong relationships are so important in the jewelry business. She also explains why growing revenue doesn’t always mean making more money and why she would rather build a lean, sustainable company than grow too fast. Rachel also shares one of her biggest recent failures: spending weeks preparing for an in-person event that turned out to be completely wrong for her audience. Instead of trying to force it to work, she packed up early and went back to what she knew worked. It became a simple but important business lesson: try new things, pay attention to what the results are telling you, and don’t be afraid to walk away when something isn’t working. === Key Topics: -How live selling turned a struggling business into a multimillion-dollar operation -Why listening directly to customers can lead to better products -How trust and strong relationships matter when working with manufacturers -Why more revenue does not always mean more profit -How staying lean can help a business grow more sustainably -Why knowing your audience matters more than simply reaching more people -How learning to cut your losses can save you from an even bigger mistake === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint Connect With Rachel Winson: Website: https://888antiques.com/

September 7, 202654 min

Operating One of the Largest Land Brokerages in Florida with Tyler Davis

In this episode, we sit down with Tyler Davis of Saunders Real Estate to talk about a career path that didn’t exactly go according to plan. Tyler started in accounting at PwC, but after years in the Big Four, he realized he wanted to be closer to the actual deals and decisions. That eventually led him to Central Florida and into real estate, where he joined Saunders just before the market took off in 2020. Today, he helps lead a company that has grown from its roots in agricultural land into a much broader real estate business across the Southeast. Tyler shares what that growth has taught him about leadership, especially when stepping into a role alongside people who have been in the industry much longer than he has. For him, growing Saunders isn’t about adding people just to get bigger. It’s about finding the right people, protecting the culture, and respecting the relationships and reputation that took decades to build. He also explains why understanding the landowner matters just as much as understanding the land. Sometimes getting the highest price means waiting longer, taking on more risk, and spending more money upfront and that may not be what the client actually wants. The conversation also gives a closer look at what goes into large land deals before a property ever hits the market. Tyler talks about zoning, utilities, wetlands, engineering, conservation, and the hidden issues that can completely change the value of a property. He also shares what he’s seeing in the market today, from slower apartment and townhome development to continued demand for industrial property, farmland, and conservation opportunities. With Florida continuing to grow while the amount of usable land becomes more limited, Tyler believes there is still a strong long-term story for land across Florida and the Southeast. === Key Topics: -Why leaving a successful career can sometimes be the right move -How Saunders grew without losing the culture that made the company successful -Why choosing the right people matters more than simply growing a bigger team -How understanding a landowner’s real goals can lead to better deals -Why the highest sale price is not always the best outcome for a property owner -How doing the right work upfront can uncover costly land and development problems -How limited land supply and continued population growth are shaping the future of real estate in the Southeast === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint Connect With Tyler Davis: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/tyler-davis-93265650 Website: https://www.saundersrealestate.com/

August 31, 202648 min

Leaders in Business: Running a National Occupational Medicine Company with Brandon Denley

In this episode, we sit down with Brandon Denley, President of PGS, to talk about the business behind occupational medicine and how companies manage employee health and workplace injuries across multiple locations. Brandon shares his path from ministry to business leadership and explains how PGS provides employers with 24/7 medical support, telemedicine, injury case management, and access to a nationwide network of vetted clinics. He also breaks down why fast access to care matters so much for companies in industries like oil and gas, construction, offshore work, and other safety-sensitive environments. The conversation also explores how PGS has grown by focusing on existing relationships, referrals, and expanding alongside clients rather than relying heavily on traditional marketing. Brandon explains why some of their biggest opportunities come from understanding the companies they already serve, how corporate structure can make a major difference when onboarding large organizations, and why bigger clients are not always better clients. He also shares how the company uses partnerships with telemedicine providers, nurses, physicians, and other medical organizations to scale across all 50 states without having to build every service in-house. Brandon also breaks down the financial and operational side of the business, including membership fees, per-service pricing, workers’ compensation cases, and the importance of helping employers reduce unnecessary treatment, lost time, and recordable incidents. He discusses how technology and telemedicine are changing workplace healthcare, how PGS manages compliance and risk while operating nationwide, and why the company is expanding into areas like employee medical surveillance and staffing support. === Key Topics: -Why faster medical response can make a major difference after a workplace injury -How telemedicine is changing the way companies manage employee injuries -Why bigger clients are not always better for a growing business -How strong partnerships can help a small team scale nationwide -Why existing clients and relationships can become your biggest source of growth -How better systems can help employers reduce risk, control costs, and take better care of their people === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint Connect With Brandon Denley: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/brandon-denley-mba-793185180

August 24, 202649 min

Over 200 Units Before 30 Years Old with Dylan Osmon

In this episode, we sit down with real estate investor Dylan Osmon to talk about what scaling a portfolio looks like when the business starts demanding more than one person can handle. Dylan shares the reality of owning more than 200 units while managing rentals, vacancies, construction projects, and staffing problems at the same time. He explains why hiring has become one of his biggest challenges, why core values matter more to him than experience, and what he has learned from trying to grow without always having the right team in place. The conversation also explores how Dylan is building toward 1,000 units through a mix of new construction and value-add deals. He shares why simple, repeatable builds work well in his market, how doing more volume has helped him negotiate better construction costs, and why strong relationships with banks have become a major part of his strategy. Dylan also breaks down the decision between using in-house employees and subcontractors, including the hidden costs that can make the cheaper option more expensive once your own time and management are considered. Dylan also explains why he stopped flipping houses and shifted his attention toward rentals, equity, and long-term cash flow. He talks about growing in smaller markets, protecting cash while still moving forward, and learning from mentors who are operating at a much higher level. More than just growing the number of properties, Dylan shares how his long-term goal is to build the right team and create a real estate business that eventually gives him more freedom, not simply more work. === Key Topics: -Why core values matter more than experience when building a team -How new construction and value-add deals can work together to scale a portfolio -Why strong banking relationships can change the way you finance real estate -How to choose between in-house employees and subcontractors -Why Dylan moved away from flipping to focus on rentals and long-term equity -How mentorship can change the way you think about debt, growth, and investing === If you’re selling land and still relying on Facebook messages, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. Acrefy helps land investors create clean, professional dispo websites where buyers can see everything in one place. It saves time, looks legit, and helps you close faster. 👉 Get your land dispo website with Acrefy here: https://acrefy.co/blueprint === 🚨 Ready to Learn How to Flip Land? 🚨 Hey there! Dan and Mason have something exciting for you: 🎉 Join our FREE Ground Up Land Community! 🎉 Here’s what you’ll get: ✅ Expert tips on flipping land ✅ Connect with other land investors ✅ Ask questions & get real feedback ✅ Weekly calls with Dan & Mason – totally free! Don’t wait—take the first step toward land investing success. 👉 Join for FREE at https://www.skool.com/grounduplandcommunity === Connect With Us: https://linktr.ee/thebigpictureblueprint Connect With Dylan Osmon: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dylan-osmon-7a7a04183 Podcast: The DO Real Estate Podcast

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