
What AI Is Doing in Your Company (That You Don’t Know About)
Steve Wilson built his own AI assistant the careful way. He gave it its own Google account and read only access to his calendar, and told it not to talk to strangers. His company's CISO had a pen testing team go after it, and 4 days later the assistant reported that it had compressed his source code and attached it to a meeting with an outside consultant. A fake email from a lookalike domain, written as if it came from Steve, was all it took. Steve Wilson is Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and founder and co chair of the OWASP Gen AI Security Project. He joins Max Clark to break down what AI agents are already doing inside companies, who is responsible for them, and what to check before you approve one. They get into why an agent using an employee's login is its own identity, why you can't filter prompt injection out, why blocking AI tools only sends people around IT, and what Steve's forecast of 10x the digital workers and 10x the attacks means for security teams. If nobody at your company can say which AI agents are running and who answers for them, this episode starts there. What You'll Learn What are the biggest security risks of AI agents inside a company? How do we know what AI agents our employees are running? Should an AI agent use an employee's login, or have its own identity? Who is responsible when an AI agent does something it shouldn't? Can an AI agent be tricked into leaking company data? Can you stop prompt injection with a filter? Should we block employees from using AI agents, or approve one and manage it? Can AI help a security team, and what does it do in the first minute of an alert? In this conversation: (00:00) - Intro (00:44) - What an AI agent does in the first minute of a security alert, so a human starts with a finished investigation (11:51) - Steve's two-year forecast: 10x more digital workers on your network, 10x more sophisticated attacks, 100x the data to sort through (19:30) - Insider threats now include AI agents that malfunction or go off course (37:41) - Blocking AI just sends people around you. Approve one tool and manage it instead (44:04) - The three kinds of AI agent in your company, and why you can't filter prompt injection out (49:32) - Who owns an AI agent: security, IT, the business, or the employee who built it (56:10) - He gave his AI assistant its own identity and limited access. It still got phished (01:02:44) - Shadow AI spreads faster than shadow IT, and your approved tool gets abandoned (01:22:53) - Why AI won't shrink your security team, and the entry-level hiring gap it leaves (01:31:48) - AI is moving back in-house, and what that changes for security What We Mentioned The Developer's Playbook for Large Language Model Security (O'Reilly) . Steve's book. It lays out what can go wrong when AI is built into products and how to defend against it, drawing on the 400+ experts behind the OWASP Top 10 for LLMs. It is written for developers and security teams, and it is the plain language reference if AI agents already have access to your systems. OWASP Gen AI Security Project OWASP Top 10 for LLM Applications Exabeam Exabeam Nova , the AI agent built for security operations centers OpenClaw , the open source AI agent Claude Code Claude Cowork OpenAI Codex MCP (Model Context Protocol) , the way software lets AI agents use it Salesforce Microsoft SharePoint Okta CrowdStrike Palo Alto Networks Cortex Microsoft Sentinel Dropbox , Steve's early example of shadow IT SOC (security operations center) SIEM (security information and event management), the central system that collects security data MSSP (managed security service provider) MDR (managed detection and response) EDR (endpoint detection and response) Prompt injection (hidden instructions an AI follows as if they were yours) Pen testing (authorized attacks used to test your defenses) About Steve Wilson Steve Wilson is Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and founder and co chair of the OWASP Gen AI Security Project. He wrote the first OWASP Top 10 for large language models and the O'Reilly book The Developer's Playbook for Large Language Model Security. Steve Wilson on LinkedIn | Steve Wilson on X | Exabeam | Exabeam on LinkedIn | OWASP Gen AI Security Project | OWASP Gen AI Security Project on LinkedIn About the Show Signed is the podcast for buyers in a market built for sellers. Host Max Clark, CEO of ITBroker.com, sits down with CIOs, CFOs, operators, and founders who've lived inside real enterprise tech deals. New episodes weekly at itbroker.com/podcast. If you're in the middle of a real tech decision and want someone in your corner, book an intro call at itbroker.com. Buy tech without regret. Follow: @itbrokerdotcom Full Transcript Click here to view the episode transcript.













