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Welcome to Tangents by Out of Architecture, hosted by Silvia Lee. We’re highlighting some of our favorite stories from the amazing people we’ve met along our journey. We will hear how they created a unique career path for themselves from the variety of skills and talents they developed in and out of architecture. Out of Architecture is a career consulting firm started by two Harvard-educated professionals interested in exploring the value of their skills both in and out of the architectural profession. We’re here to help you maximize all of the expertise you have honed as a designer to get you a role that fulfills and challenges you. We have the knowledge, experience, and connections to help you put your best self into the market–and reap the benefits.

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June 2, 2026Episode 133 min

From Studio to Stand-Up: Built in Architecture, Now Comedy with Nick White

In this episode, Jake chats with Nick White, Melbourne-based comedian, content creator, and recovering architect who traded buildings for bits. Nick shares his journey from studying architecture and working in practice for five years to walking away at the end of 2022 to pursue stand-up comedy and character-driven content full time. The conversation explores how a design education shaped his eye for the absurd, the leap into self-employment (tinned food panic included), and the creative outlets — characters, drawing, editing, even Sims house tours — that fuel his work today. Discover how Nick built a niche skewering architectural pretension while staying genuinely fond of the industry, and what it takes to follow your gut out of a profession that no longer fits. Highlights:Highlights:3 words: Still, Sensitive, CreativeRecognizing Misalignment Early: Nick discusses how he came to understand that the day-to-day realities of practice did not match the parts of design he enjoyed, and why naming that mismatch is a useful first step.Building a Parallel Career: Rather than leaving abruptly, Nick spent five years in practice while developing his comedy alongside it — reducing financial pressure and giving him time to test whether comedy could sustain a career.Transferable Skills from Design Education: The analytical habits taught in architecture school — observing how people speak, dissecting form and language, distilling complex ideas — translate directly into character work and comedic writing.The Economics of a Creative Career: Nick offers a clear-eyed view of how he supports his work today, including brand partnerships, touring stand-up, merchandise, and self-produced video content.Advice for Those Considering a Change: Notice what feels energizing versus draining, act on those signals over time, and remember that meaningful shifts unfold over years rather than weeks. Also: back up your models and save every 10 minutes.P.S. Catch Nick live on stage at Archicon: the only unboring business conference for architects, October 8-9th in Melbourne. See more:https://www.instagram.com/nickwhite49/https://www.tiktok.com/@missnickiewantiehttps://www.youtube.com/@nickwhite49 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

December 30, 2025Episode 946 min

The Shift in Architectural Roles in Tech with AEC+Tech's Niknaz Aftahi

In this episode, Silvia chats with Niknaz Aftahi, entrepreneur and founder of AEC+Tech, a platform connecting architecture professionals with cutting-edge technology. Niknaz shares her journey from studying architecture in Iran to launching a startup that bridges the gap between the AEC industry and emerging tech. The conversation touches on the integration of AI in architecture, the importance of continuous learning, and the evolving roles within architecture firms. Discover how Niknaz marries her passion for design with innovation, and her insights into creating a niche in the architecture tech world.Highlights:3 words: Entrepreneur, Designer, Building InnovatorInnovation in Architecture: Niknaz highlights her transition from traditional architecture roles to leveraging technology and innovation to improve design workflows.Technology Adoption: The episode underscores the slow adoption of technology in the AEC industry and how platforms like AEC+Tech aim to accelerate this process by fostering a community of shared knowledge.Role of Community: The significance of community engagement and sharing knowledge within the industry is emphasized as crucial for technological advancement and professional growth.Career Transition: Niknaz shares her personal journey of leaving a stable architecture job to pursue her passion for technology, offering insights into making career shifts in search of fulfillment.The Future of AEC: The conversation touches on how advancements in AI and technology are reshaping the roles and skill sets required in the architecture and construction industries.See more:https://www.aecplustech.com/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

October 14, 2025Episode 847 min

Pursuing Growth Through One's Career with Meta's Libo Li

Join Libo Li, a data engineer at Meta, as he delves into his unconventional career journey from architecture to tech. Discover how his natural curiosity and drive for growth propelled him through various roles at companies like WeWork and AAC Resource. Libo shares insights on embracing fear as a signal for growth, the value of continuous learning, and thriving in chaotic environments. Whether it's discussing effective communication or exploring side projects, Libo's story offers motivating takeaways for anyone looking to navigate and explore diverse career paths.Highlights:3 words: Curious, Irreverent, and GrittyEmbrace Growth: Transitioning between roles and industries can lead to significant personal and professional development.Curiosity as a Driver: A natural curiosity can propel individuals to explore new opportunities and learn from diverse experiences.Importance of Adaptability: Being open to new experiences and learning quickly on the job is crucial for success in tech and beyond.Communication is Key: Whether in architecture or data engineering, clear documentation and effective communication are vital.Fear and Growth: Facing fear and embracing chaos can lead to valuable learning experiences and growth opportunities.See more:https://www.instagram.com/most.podern/Guest Bio:Libo Li is a trained architect working as a data engineer in New York City. He received a Bachelor of Architecture from Rice University. His focus is on the impact of data and technology on design production, building software, systems, and operational models at companies like KPF, WeWork, CBRE, and Meta. He was COO of Voyansi, a BIM solutions company recently acquired by Hexagon. He was CTO at KatalsyDI, where he lead the technology team building the analytics platform to integrate construction supply chains. He co-founder Small Tiger to empower architecture firms with modern digital operations; where he works with emerging firms to question how they work to scale their agency. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

July 29, 2025Episode 755 min

Creating Your Own Path with Atif Qadir

Atif Qadir joins Silvia on Tangents to explore his journey from architecture to real estate development and tech entrepreneurship. They discuss the evolving nature of careers in the AEC industry, the importance of adaptability, and the benefits of life coaching and mentorship. Atif shares insights on recognizing personal values and the significance of creating space for what truly matters. Reflective and inspiring, their conversation underscores the value of pursuing a career aligned with one’s passions and navigating life changes with confidence and adventure.Highlights:3 words: Adventurous, Together, MemoryCareer Transitions: Atif highlights how identifying personal strengths and pursuing diverse opportunities can lead to fulfilling career shifts from traditional roles in architecture to innovative ventures in real estate and tech.Networking and Relationships: Building a robust network of peers, mentors, and mentees is crucial in navigating career paths and discovering unique opportunities.Adaptability and Innovation: Embracing advancements in technology, such as AI and machine learning in the architecture industry, can open new avenues for growth and innovation.Self-discovery and Balance: Understanding personal motivations and balancing career aspirations with life goals is vital for long-term satisfaction and success.Mentorship: Atif emphasizes the importance of mentorship in providing guidance and maintaining perspective throughout one's career journey.Guest Bio:Atif is a registered architect turned developer with extensive experience across the entire development process. He most recently has been the Co-Founder and Chief Impact Officer of Commonplace, a VC-backed startup dedicated to building technology infrastructure to enhance and expedite impactful commercial real estate development and funding. Prior to this, Atif founded Amanat Properties, a development and investment platform that repurposes historic and older properties in New Jersey to maximize value and performance. Atif began his career in development and acquisitions at Extell Development, where he worked as an Associate on multiple affordable housing projects. He also gained significant experience as a Project Engineer and Field Engineer at Turner Construction, contributing to major, transformational institutional projects in New York City. His career started as a design architect at Gene Kaufman Architect (now Gwathmey Siegel Kaufman).https://www.atifzqadir.com/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

December 17, 2024Episode 645 min

From Architecture to UX: The Mental Leap That Changed Everything with Redfin's Xinran Ma

In this engaging episode of "Tangents by Out of Architecture," our guest Xinran Ma shares his inspiring journey from a traditional architecture career to the innovative field of product design at Redfin. Our conversation delves deeply into the mindset shift required for career transition, and the strategies Xinran employed to gain experience and build credibility in a new industry. From studying architecture in China and New York to fostering a passion for user experience design, Xinran's story illustrates the diverse applications of architectural skills beyond conventional practice.Xinran elaborates on the differences between architectural education and practice, highlighting how his idealistic aspirations met practical realities that motivated his transition. He offers rich insights into the importance of design thinking and user interaction, emphasizing his path to becoming an accomplished UX designer. Highlights:Transitioning from architecture to UX design involves a significant mindset shift, focusing on design thinking and practical constraints.Real-world project experience is crucial for breaking into new fields, as it adds credibility and context to interviews and portfolios.Changing careers can be daunting but provides an opportunity to explore personal passions and gain fulfillment through meaningful work.Networking and community engagement can unexpectedly lead to job opportunities and career insights.Perseverance and a strategic approach can help overcome initial setbacks when venturing into a new profession.Links:Design with AI Substack Link: https://designwithai.substack.com/Buy Xinran's Book: https://amzn.to/3C726dfXinran's website: https://www.xinranma.com/Guest Bio:Xinran is an architect turned product designer on a mission to empower designers to elevate their careers and live better lives. He went from designing buildings to crafting digital experiences, and now he is exploring the power of AI in design. He is the founder of Design with AI, a digital publication to help designers design better, faster, and smarter with AI through practical tips. He is also the author of three Amazon #1 New Release books in UX and have been recognized as an ADPList's Top 1% Mentor in Design five times. He regularly gives AI talks and runs workshops at institutions like Microsoft, UXPA, Pratt Institute, the University of Connecticut, and Maven. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

December 3, 2024Episode 552 min

From Aerospace to Climate Tech: Leveraging Architecture Skills to Build a Startup with Homeostasis’ Makoto Eyre

Our guest today is Makoto Eyre, cofounder and CEO of Homeostasis, a climate tech startup transforming CO2 into advanced carbon materials like graphite for lithium-ion batteries. Makoto’s story exemplifies the power of curiosity, resilience, and the ability to leverage architectural skills to navigate bold career transitions. This episode explores how interdisciplinary thinking, engineering expertise, and a service-driven mindset can lead to impactful innovation. Tune in to hear how Makoto redefined his career to tackle climate challenges and build a sustainable future.Makoto’s career journey is a testament to the versatility of architectural skills. After starting his career as a designer and architect-in-training at Seattle’s SkB Architects, he transitioned to roles in aerospace engineering at NASA and Blue Origin. Now leading Homeostasis, Makoto is addressing critical global challenges by applying design and engineering principles to climate tech solutions. In his free time, he enjoys bouldering, running, hiking, and tinkering with projects.Highlights:The challenges of traditional architectural practice and the desire to create broader societal impact.The journey from architecture to mechanical engineering and a passion for space exploration.Co-founding Homeostasis, a climate tech startup transforming CO2 into graphite for lithium-ion batteries.Navigating the uncertainties of business development and embracing a service-driven Lessons on resilience, embracing discomfort, and the importance of supportive communitiesGuest Bio:Makoto Eyre is the cofounder and CEO of Homeostasis, a climate tech startup that produces advanced carbon materials, such as graphite for lithium ion batteries, out of CO2. Prior to founding Homeostasis, Makoto worked as a spacecraft configuration & systems engineer at the Advanced Development Program at Blue Origin, as a contracted space architect at NASA’s Johnson Space Center, and as a designer & architect in training at SkB Architects in Seattle. Makoto has degrees in architecture and mechanical engineering from the Rhode Island School of Design and the University of Washington, respectively. In his free time, Makoto enjoys bouldering, running, hiking, reading in the park, and building/modding/repairing. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

September 24, 2024Episode 452 min

Redefining Success: From Architecture to Web Development with CACI's Danny Rupp

Danny Rupp (he/him) is a web development team lead who has been lucky enough to work-from-home in Maryland since 2010. With a bachelor's degree in Architecture from the University of Maryland he started his career as an architectural designer, but slowly transitioned on the job into working as a full stack web developer on software for office space planning. In 2020 he made the jump out of architecture and into full time web development as a Drupal developer and team lead.In this enriching episode of Tangents, host Silvia welcomes Danny Rupp, a versatile expert who has navigated a unique pathway from architecture to web development. Danny describes himself using three distinctive words: extroverted, empathic, and curious. He delves into his career beginnings, highlighting his tenure at a small architecture firm in Maryland and his adaptation during the 2008 financial crisis. Danny's pivot to web development, driven by his passion for coding and problem-solving, emerges as a central theme. He reflects on his dual role in architectural federal contracting and web development, emphasizing the value of continuous learning and adaptation.The episode is a treasure trove of insights for anyone contemplating a career shift from architecture to the tech industry. Danny's journey underscores the importance of leveraging diverse skills and remaining open to new opportunities. He shares practical advice on how to approach job transitions, the significance of showcasing one's learning mindset on resumes, and the benefits of working from home. With key takeaways focusing on problem-solving, iterative design, and effective project management, this episode is a must-listen for aspiring architects and tech enthusiasts alike.Highlights:Adaptability in Career Shifts: Danny's transition from architecture to web development illustrates the value of leveraging diverse skill sets and staying open to new learning opportunities.Continuous Learning: Highlighting the importance of curiosity, Danny emphasizes the value of always pursuing new knowledge and adapting to industry changes.Effective Project Management: Danny shares insights on the significance of good project management, particularly the benefits of prioritizing tasks and transparent communication.Working from Home: Danny discusses his long-term experience with remote work, the productivity benefits, and maintaining a good work-life balance.Connecting with Peers: The episode underscores the importance of networking and learning from friends and colleagues across various industries to foster career growth.Mentioned in the episode: https://www.archcareersguide.com/https://www.codecademy.com/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

September 10, 2024Episode 351 min

Architects' Unique Skills and Their Success in Tech with Ocado Group's Ramesh Pari

Our guest today is Ramesh Pari, Head of Design + BIM at Ocado Group. He highlights the importance of pragmatism, lifelong learning, and leveraging architectural skills in new ways. This episode explores the dynamics of tech culture, the benefits of cross-industry skills, and the courage needed to pursue fulfilling career changes. Tune in to gain insights on balancing professional aspirations with personal growth.Ramesh is a prime example of how career pivots can lead to incredible success. After spending a decade as a project architect in the residential and commercial sectors, specializing in technical design, he made the bold decision to transition into the tech industry. Now, with six years leading the design and BIM functions at the UK tech firm Ocado, Ramesh has advanced to Head of Design, managing global projects across 10 countries with teams based in the UK and Poland. Passionate about guiding others through similar transitions, Ramesh is dedicated to empowering professionals from traditional fields to thrive in new, dynamic careers.Highlights:Career Transition: Ramesh discusses the challenges and rewards of transitioning from architecture to the tech sector, emphasizing the importance of continuous learning and pragmatism.Skill Utilization: Key architectural skills such as visionary problem-solving and storytelling have been crucial to Ramesh’s success in tech.Tech Culture: The supportive and flexible nature of tech industry culture contrasts with the rigid structures of traditional architecture, fostering innovation and collaboration.Importance of Communication: Effective communication and understanding commercial realities are pivotal in driving projects and achieving buy-in from stakeholders.Future Planning: Ramesh advocates for adaptability and openness to change, encouraging professionals to redefine success and explore new opportunities beyond traditional career paths. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

August 27, 2024Episode 243 min

Designing a New Path: Transitioning from Architecture to UX with OOA's Adrian Maldonado

Adrian Maldonado, Career Advisor at Out of Architecture, is a seasoned professional with a background in architecture who made a successful transition into the field of UX design. With a passion for design and a knack for problem-solving, Adrian brings a unique perspective to his role as a lead UX designer. He is dedicated to helping individuals navigate career transitions, leveraging his experience to guide others towards fulfilling and meaningful professional paths.Highlights:The importance of networking and strategic planning in transitioning from architecture to UX design.The value of transferable skills and the impact of attitude and work ethic in career transitions.The role of perseverance and grit in overcoming challenges and achieving professional growth.The exploration of design principles, problem-solving approaches, and human-centered perspectives offers valuable insights for aspiring UX designers.Learn more about Adrian here: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/bio-adrian-maldonado ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

August 13, 2024Episode 151 min

Navigating Career Transitions and Identity in Architecture with OOA's Jacki Schaefer

In this episode, Jacki Schaefer shares her journey in architecture, highlighting the challenges faced during her career, the importance of job security, and the impact of curiosity on personal and professional growth. She discusses the value of architecture education in developing critical thinking skills and self-awareness. Jacki emphasizes the need for individuals to align their career choices with their values and passions for long-term fulfilment.Key insights include reflections on the architecture industry, the significance of finding one's identity beyond a profession, and the transformational power of self-exploration and authenticity in career decisions.Highlights:The importance of job security and the need for individuals to explore diverse career paths within and outside the architecture industry.Architecture education instills critical thinking and self-reflection skills that can transcend the profession and benefit personal growth.Curiosity is a powerful driver for success, enabling individuals to seek opportunities aligned with their values and interests.Finding one's identity beyond a specific profession is crucial for long-term career satisfaction and personal fulfillment.Networking and seeking diverse experiences contribute to self-discovery and lead to a deeper understanding of individual goals and aspirations.Learn more about Jacki here: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/bio-jacki-schaefer ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★