
Episode 28: How Great Leaders Scale Innovation with Dr. Linda A. Hill
In this episode, host Stuart Paap sits down with Dr. Linda A. Hill, the Wallace Brett Donham Professor of Business Administration at Harvard Business School and faculty chair of its Leadership Initiative, to unpack her new book, Genius at Scale. Building on her earlier work in Collective Genius, Dr. Hill explains why generating innovative ideas is only half the battle, and why the harder challenge is launching, commercializing and scaling them, especially inside large, regulated organizations like those in biotech and pharma. The conversation explores how star individual contributors learn to lead teams of stars, why every person in an organization holds a "slice of genius," and how leaders can build the three muscles of innovation: collaboration, experimentation and learning. Drawing on stories from Pixar, Pfizer, Cleveland Clinic Abu Dhabi, Procter & Gamble and the Boston Celtics, Dr. Hill shows how self-awareness, co-creation and asking better questions allow organizations to keep innovating as they grow. Mentions - Genius at Scale (00:00:58) — Dr. Hill's latest book on how leaders drive and scale innovation. - Collective Genius (00:00:58) — Dr. Hill's earlier book on the intersection of leadership and innovation. - Institute for Management Studies (00:00:58) — The organization that recently gave Dr. Hill a lifetime achievement award. - Ed Catmull (00:02:07) — Pixar co-founder and a central leader studied in Collective Genius. - Creativity, Inc. (00:09:51) — Ed Catmull's book about Pixar's culture, referenced by Stuart. - MrBeast (00:09:58) — YouTube creator whose leaked company manifesto illustrates shared purpose. - Dr. Rakesh Suri (00:11:09) — Cardiac surgeon and CEO of Cleveland Clinic Abu Dhabi who led the hospital through COVID-19. - Michael Ku (00:15:03) — Pfizer VP of Global Clinical Supply whose team supported the COVID-19 vaccine trials in 266 days. - Harry Kraemer (00:17:30) — Former Baxter CEO and Kellogg professor, Stuart's first podcast guest. - Relay Therapeutics (00:19:34) — Biotech company where Dr. Hill serves on the board. - Procter & Gamble (00:21:40) — Example of a company that learned to "innovate on how we innovate." - NASA (00:37:04) — Adopted Michael Ku's complexity index to discuss risk. - Millennium Pharmaceuticals (00:40:21) — Biotech co-founded with help from Dr. Hill's husband. - Mastercard (00:43:58) — Example of a purpose-driven transformation from credit card company to fintech. - Nelson Mandela (00:46:12) — Cited for making space for others to share in his vision. - Joe Mazzulla (00:51:59) — Boston Celtics head coach and an example of leading a team of stars. - Tim Grover (01:01:30) — Performance coach to Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, referenced by Stuart. - avatarin (01:19:00) — ANA spinoff building avatar robots, featured in Genius at Scale. - Michelin (01:22:58) — The tire company whose restaurant guide illustrates reframing what business you're in. Chapters Introduction (00:00:00) Stuart Paap introduces Dr. Linda A. Hill, Harvard Business School professor and author of Genius at Scale. Why Genius at Scale, Why Now (00:01:50) Dr. Hill explains how her new book moves beyond generating innovation to scaling it in large, regulated organizations. From Star Contributor to Collective Genius (00:05:19) Why stars struggle to lead, and the Pixar idea that everyone has a slice of genius. Shared Purpose and Leading Through the Fog (00:09:51) How Cleveland Clinic Abu Dhabi made every employee an innovative problem solver during COVID-19. Self-Awareness and Role Modeling (00:13:55) How leaders like Michael Ku at Pfizer build self-awareness and model vulnerability for their teams. Everyone Is an Innovator (00:20:17) Why splitting organizations into innovators and executors stalls scaling, and how crea... Chapters (00:00:00) - Introduction (00:01:50) - Why Genius at Scale, Why Now (00:05:19) - From Star Contributor to Collective Genius (00:09:51) - Shared Purpose and Leading Through the Fog (00:13:55) - Self-Awareness and Role Modeling (00:20:17) - Everyone Is an Innovator (00:26:31) - Innovation, Finance and the Bottom Line (00:33:58) - The Three Muscles and the Complexity Index (00:38:36) - Willing vs. Able to Innovate (00:45:01) - Stars Learning to Lead Stars (00:51:04) - Lessons from the Celtics and Formula One (01:03:08) - Scaling Without Losing Agility (01:10:10) - Ask, Don't Answer (01:15:18) - A Culture Where Every Voice Matters (01:22:58) - Reframing the Business You're In (01:25:12) - Personal Reflections and Closing











