
Ep 211 - The Lawyer Translator Episode: Plaintiff vs. Defense with Kevin Shires and Rob Hammers, Real Talk & the Road to the 2026 World Cup
Repeat guests and fan favorites Kevin Shires and Rob Hammers return to the Sports ’N Torts podcast for one of the most entertaining and insightful episodes to close out Season 5.Josh, Kevin, and Rob dive into the unique friendships that can develop between plaintiff and defense attorneys despite battling on opposite sides of cases for years. The conversation covers professionalism in litigation, trial strategy, mediation culture, authenticity with juries, memorable courtroom moments, and the importance of credibility and collegiality in the legal profession.The episode also includes hilarious “what lawyers really mean” translations between plaintiff and defense attorneys, stories from trials and mediations, and Kevin’s unforgettable courtroom wardrobe malfunction.In the second half, the conversation pivots to the 2026 FIFA World Cup, where Kevin and Rob break down:host cities,marquee matches,Team USA expectations,global soccer fan culture,favorites like Spain, France, and Argentina,and why the World Cup is unlike any sporting event on earth.This episode is equal parts legal insight, sports passion, friendship, and comedy — and a perfect way to close out Season 5.Show NotesOn This EpisodeWhy plaintiff and defense lawyers can fiercely compete while still building real friendshipsThe importance of professionalism and credibility in litigationHow Kevin Shires gave Rob Hammers his first legal job during the financial collapse of 2008Lessons young lawyers need to hear about collegiality and authenticityMemorable trial stories, mediation battles, and courtroom disasters“What lawyers are actually saying” segmentThe evolution of mediation and litigation post-COVIDWhy juries respond to vulnerability and honesty2026 FIFA World Cup previewTeam USA expectations and World Cup storylinesWhy Atlanta is positioned to become a premier soccer cityThe global culture and atmosphere surrounding the World CupMemorable Moments“You can disagree without being disagreeable.”Kevin and Rob discuss how professionalism and trust create better outcomes for lawyers, clients, and cases alike.The Interview StoryKevin shares the story of hiring Rob during the 2008 financial collapse after Rob ended the interview with:“Just give me a chance and I won’t let you down.”Trial Lessons & AuthenticityThe group discusses:adapting during trial,owning weaknesses,reading jurors,and why authenticity matters more than perfection.The “What Lawyers Really Mean” SegmentOne of the funniest parts of the episode:“I’ve got a very reasonable client.”“That’s all the authority I have.”“We’d really like to avoid litigation.”“Medical specials don’t tell the full story.”“We’re open to mediation.”World Cup Discussion Highlights2026 World Cup OverviewExpanded 48-team formatU.S., Canada, and Mexico as host nationsAtlanta’s major role in the tournamentWhy soccer’s popularity continues to grow in AmericaTeams & Players to WatchSpain’s rising young star Lamine YamalKylian Mbappé and France’s championship hopesLionel Messi chasing one more World Cup runTeam USA expectations and why a quarterfinal appearance would be a major successFavorite Quotes“You can disagree without being disagreeable.”“Jurors can see through the stuff you’re selling.”“If your defense requires a lengthy explanation, there’s no way a jury is going to buy it.”“You go to mediation for two reasons: to settle the case or to find out why you’re trying it.”“The World Cup is unlike any sporting event on earth.”GuestsKevin ShiresVeteran Georgia defense attorney, trial lawyer, world traveler, and passionate soccer fan.Rob HammersFounder of the Hammers Law Firm and accomplished Georgia plaintiff’s attorney focusing on helping injured Georgians.As always, this episode is powered by the J. Stein Law Firm - a personal injury law firm in Atlanta, GA - www.jsteinlawfirm.com.



