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SCamp Life: The Other Side

SCamp Life: The Other Side

Hosted by Curt Jackson

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Episodes

49

Latest episode

Oct 2026

Language

EN

About the show

A bi-weekly look at big picture questions, concerns, and sometimes unpopular opinions in the summer camp industry in hopes of stimulating well rounded conversations among camp teams.

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October 15, 20261 hr 12 min

Episode 49: Class is in Session - The Director's School

SHOW NOTES You know how to create an incredible camp experience. But who taught you how to build a budget, develop a strategic plan, or keep your organization financially sustainable? Kelie and Shauna welcome Dr. Megan Owens of BlueSky Recreation Consulting to discuss the business skills camp professionals are often expected to learn on the job. Megan introduces The Director’s School , a new educational experience developed with ACA Illinois. Through small cohorts, practical exercises, and group projects, the school helps camp professionals build knowledge they can bring back to their organizations. They also talk candidly about taking on leadership responsibilities without proper onboarding, learning from people outside your usual camp network, and why understanding the business matters—even when someone else handles your organization’s finances. IN THIS EPISODE The business knowledge gap in camp professional development How The Director’s School combines instruction, practice, and collaboration Choosing a learning level based on your experience and responsibilities Building connections across different types of camps and organizations Why business knowledge strengthens both your camp and your career Application requirements, costs, and financial assistance THREE LEVELS OF LEARNING Level 1: Foundations Finance, human resources, risk management, and ethical decision-making for emerging professionals and those new to the camp field. Level 2: Organizational Planning Connecting budgets, strategic plans, risk management, and evaluation to the operation of an entire camp. Level 3: Strategy and Sustainability Long-term vision, organizational systems, financial sustainability, and growth for experienced camp leaders. Placement considers what you have actually done and what you need to learn, rather than relying only on your title or years in the field. THE DIRECTOR'S SCHOOL: IMPORTANT DETAILS Dates: January 18–22, 2027 Location: Q Center in St. Charles, Illinois Application deadline: October 31, 2026 Cost: $2,000, including four nights in a private room, meals, instruction, textbooks, and resources; travel is additional Application deposit: $500, refundable if you are not accepted Application materials: A one-page cover letter, a resume of up to two pages, a one-page letter of support, and responses to the online application questions Learn more about The Director’s School Review application instructions Ask about registration or financial assistance EPISODE CHAPTERS Approximate timestamps. 00:00 — Welcome back and a personal check-in 03:19 — Introducing Dr. Megan Owens and The Director’s School 06:10 — The knowledge gap behind the school’s creation 11:15 — Matching applicants with the right learning level 19:21 — Learning through practice, projects, and collaboration 30:06 — Networking across different types of camps 34:48 — Breaks, relationship-building, and the Q Center 39:47 — A closer look at the three learning levels 47:30 — Why business knowledge matters when someone else handles it 54:51 — Application requirements and the review process 59:08 — Connecting with Megan and meeting the instructors 1:02:55 — What we’re reading 1:09:07 — Cost, what’s included, and financial assistance CONTACT Contact Dr. Megan Owens: BlueSky Recreation Consulting BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS Megan’s Rec: Reinventing Organizations by Frederic Laloux Kelie’s Rec: Never Eat Alone by Keith Ferrazzi Shauna’s Rec: I’’m Gonna Get You Back by Elena Armas Want to add to our conversation? Have a question you want us to discuss? Email Us: exploringcampsides@gmail.com

April 1, 20261 hr 11 min

Episode 48: Not All Camp “Grit” is Healthy

What responsibility do camp leaders have in shaping workplace culture, and what happens when that culture turns toxic? In this episode of SCamp Life: The Other Side , Kelie and Shauna sit down with Katie Grenci to explore the realities of toxic leadership in camp settings. Katie reflects on her experience as a manager, the warning signs she encountered, and the lasting impact on both staff and campers. This episode doesn’t just tell a story; it challenges leaders to reflect, do better, and actively create environments where people can thrive. Katie’s Contact: Katie Grenci

February 2, 20261 hr 17 min

Episode 47: She has legs, ya’ll!: Meeting IRL @ the Women in Camp Summit

What happens when two podcast hosts who’ve only known each other virtually finally meet in real life? In this episode, Kelie and Shauna take you to the Women in Camp Summit, where they met in person for the first time. They swap stories, reflect on standout sessions, and talk about why spaces created by women in camp for women in camp are so powerful. If you love professional development, camp people, and a little behind-the-scenes reflection, this one’s for you.

December 18, 20251 hr 59 min

Episode 46: The Night the River Rose

Trigger Warnings: Child death, drowning, religious trauma. This episode investigates the deadly overnight flood at Camp Mystic in Kerr County, Texas. We break down the events leading up to the tragedy, the emergency failures that left campers vulnerable, and the long-standing flood-warning and safety gaps that contributed to the loss of life. Drawing on verified reporting, survivor accounts, and public records, we examine what went wrong — and what must change to protect young people in the future. Timeline Link

October 21, 202536 min

New Season, Who dis?

Kelie and Shauna are back behind the mic for a brand-new season of SCampLife: The Other Side ! In this opening episode, the duo catch up after a whirlwind summer—swapping stories, sharing lessons learned, and laughing through the highs (and the chaos) of camp life. Plus, Kelie drops a big announcement you won’t want to miss!

May 20, 202547 min

Episode 44: Tri-State Tales & Tangents

Kelie is back from the American Camp Association Tri-State Conference, and she’s bringing all the energy (and a few unexpected side quests) to this episode! Join Kelie and Shauna as they dive into Kelie’s favorite sessions, biggest takeaways, and ideas that camp professionals won’t want to miss. Of course, it wouldn’t be The Other Side without a few classic “Squirrel!” moments—because when camp people talk, things are bound to get a little off-trail.

March 5, 202547 min

Episode 43: Camp Counsel (But Not That Kind)

Hosts Kelie and Shauna break down how executive orders, local laws, and policy changes could impact the camp industry. From staffing regulations to funding shifts, they explore what camp professionals need to know—without the legal jargon. But let’s be clear: they’re not lawyers, and this isn’t legal advice—just two camp pros with microphones trying to make sense of the rules that shape our summers. LINKS Executive Orders After School and Summer Learning Programs Removal of DEI Language and Programming Jackson Walker Legal Summary of Immigration Related Executive Orders Mayer Brown Legal Summary for Enhanced Screening and Vetting Want to add to our conversation? Have a question you want us to discuss? Email Us: exploringcampsides@gmail.com

February 19, 20251 hr 2 min

Episode 42: Building Neurodiverse Teams: ADHD as a Strength in the Camp Industry

In this episode, hosts Kelie and Shauna continue the conversation on embracing ADHD in camp leadership with special guests Travis Allison ( GoCampPro ) and Kate Taylor ( Camp Industry Consultant ) . This is Part 2 of our discussion—catch Part 1 over on Camp Hacker! We dive into ADHD as a superpower in the camp world, how to recognize ADHD in your staff , practical tools to support neurodivergent team members , and share personal stories of navigating camp life with ADHD. Whether you have ADHD, work with someone who does, or just want to build a more inclusive, strengths-based team, this episode is for you! Tune in now and let’s rethink what it means to lead with ADHD! LINKS Kate Taylor Confessions of a Camp Pro with ADHD- Camp Hacker Episode #209

February 6, 20251 hr 23 min

Episode 41: Behavior Policies Aren’t Just for Campers?! Navigating Caregiver Expectations with Emily Golinsky

Policies and procedures aren’t just for campers—they apply to caregivers too! In this episode, Kelie and Shauna welcome back Emily Golinsky of Bright Moose Training to dive into the world of behavior policies and procedures for both campers and their grown-ups. They break down the difference between a policy and a procedure, discuss when to be flexible, and explore how to balance empathy for upset caregivers while maintaining boundaries and respect for staff. Whether you’re a camp pro, educator, or youth program leader, this episode will give you the tools to navigate tricky conversations with confidence. Bright Moose Training Trackers Earth Camp “Because Knives” Behavior Policy Michael Brandwein American Camp Association, IL Merch

January 22, 20251 hr 20 min

Episode 40: Behind the Scenes of Camp Management

In this episode, Shauna is out with the flu, so Kelie takes the lead and sits down with Dr. Chad Nelson to dive into the fascinating history and ever-changing industry of summer camp. They tackle the big question— is camp a real job? —and share invaluable advice for current, veteran, and new camp managers and directors. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just starting out, this episode is packed with insights and inspiration to help you thrive in the camp industry! LINKS Dr. Chad Nelson Bio and Contact Info Want to add to our conversation? Have a question you want us to discuss? Email Us: exploringcampsides@gmail.com

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