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65
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Jan 2025
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EN
Conversations about programming. By Andreas Ekeroot and Lars Wikman, funded by Underjord.io.
The End. Links LADOK Sanne Kalkman - companies should hire junior developers Münchenbryggeriet The art of gathering Dead dog party Nobody wants this Neon genesis evangelion Ghost in the shell: stand alone complex Serial experiments Lain Hackers Black mirror William Gibson Burning chrome Neil Stephenson The Bridge trilogy s-CRY-ed Fullmetal alchemist Hellsing Samurai Champloo Black lagoon
Imagine Andreas going around making annoying electronic sounds all the time. Strike that. Andreas and Lars discuss using less power - less fancy abstractions - to make things easier to understand. Andreas likes to do a de-powering pass to code. Avoid making something which is more general than is useful. Lars goes into the lure of event sourcing - going for very high data resolution - it might come in handy! - at the cost of a lot of other things - how do we prevent duplicate user names? You've got to love a JSON blob. Finally, Lars derails Andreas' arrow of time and discussion of locking things down early when possible. Links Power glove Ghost in the shell 2 Stand alone complex Unlimited power! For-comprehensions Nerveshub REST Squiggle The lenses paper - Functional Programming with Bananas, Lenses, Envelopes and Barbed Wire Not hot dog Domain-driven design Event sourcing CQRS Saga - event sourcing pattern Data lake Data lakehouse Ecto Penny Arcade - On discomfort Prince of Persia: The sands of time
How do people learn about licenses? If you entered into software in a certain way, it's easy to assume that everyone is a part-time license attorney. But how do other people pick up license knowledge? And what does one really need to know? Licenses underpin open source but seem kind of dull. But they are also a cool and special thing about the software industry. Lars provides his licenses 101 thoughts and looks forward to becoming open source grandpa. Links GPL BSD license MIT license Apache license LGPL AGPL - Affero license OSI Open source licenses tried in court Source-available Cockroach BSL - business source license FOSDEM Oxide & friends on how they handle the CockroachDB thing Forking Terraform Opentofu Elasticsearch Opensearch Redis Valkey The Redis-Valkey-story The XZ backdoor Andres Freund - The Microsoftie who found the issue Visual studio code VSCodium Gitpod code-server Embrace, extend, extinguish Docker Podman Hashicorp Salt Ansible Terraform Stallman Compis Apple II MySQL CLA - contributor license agreement Kelsey Hightower VLC Winamp Slackware Debian Coding freedom - book by Gabriella Coleman (full PDF) FreeBSD Ideell förening Moomin dad Snufkin Pettson Jussi Björling Gramophone player
Everyone's favorite idempotent podcast returns to discuss learning new languages and concepts. Can mixing and matching new concepts and syntax help or hinder language adoption? A new concept but a familiar syntax might make a language easier for all the drifting Javascript developers to grab on to. Lars considers picking up a lisp at some point. It's harder to pick up new languages when you're mainly keen on building. Lars is very much in a building phase. He has problems, but they are his problems. Lars is currently learning - among other things - by working with other people, putting himself out there, and arranging a conference. Links Alan Perlis A language that does not affect the way you're thinking is not worth knowing Domain-specific languages Rails Phoenix Elixir Erlang Prolog Gleam Elm The CodeBEAM Gleam keynote by Hayleigh Thompson and Louis Pilfold is not out in video form yet Ant (the build system) Bash XLST - Extensible Stylesheet Language Transformations Xquery SAX parser SweetXml Exercism course on Gleam Lustre web framework Sprocket web framework - Gleam-style implementation of Liveview OTP AtomVM Cardputer REPL - read-eval-print loop NIF GHC - the Haskell compiler Lua Dave Lucia and Robert Virding talking about Lua on the BEAM - also not out in video form yet The Konami code Uiua ZFS Evan - creator of Elm - in Kodsnack 604 Smalltalk Pony
Wherein the wonders of C are explored. But first, let Andreas tell you what's so great about Chalmers' approach to teaching computer engineering. Spoiler: starting with Haskell, close to math. The tooling around C: cultural mystery meat. Lars tries out a shocking plan for a productive framework for C! It's very cool to be able to just poke memory. Memory, arrays, structs, and strings are discussed. Strings are a bundle of fun. Arrays are desugared. Finally, a dive into the wonderful world of interoperability, both with and without C directly involved. Links Rust C D latches Gymnasiet - roughly upper secondary school or high school C++ Autotools Autoconf Linux from scratch Slackware Debian Makefiles Bash GNU Make Buildroot Cmake Zig TOML Isaac who does Zigler for Elixir POSIX Win32 API:s Libuv SIMD B-tree Redis Erlang NIF Cocoa - the wild Elixir community member integrating stuff OpenCV Pythonx - run Python from within Elixir Lua Luerl LFE - Lisp flavoured Erlang Fennel - lispier Lua Chicken Scheme
What is functional programming? Andreas grabs his whiteboard and his Turing machine, and starts from laziness, while Lars thinks of immutability, functions, and data. Is syntax important for being functional or not? The functionalness of various languages are delved into, from Haskell to Rust via Python, Go, and Ruby. And, of course, the evil version of Elixir. A good pipeline can be really nice. Oh, and you shouldn't use witchcraft anymore. Links Functional programming Haskell Lazy evaluation Lambda calculus Turing machines Alonzo Church Gödel - "A German guy" who formalized the definition general recursive functions Immutability Pure functions Witchcraft Continuation passing Partial application Currying The ML language family Why the lucky stiff Sam Aaron Sonic pi Roc Clojure AST - abstract syntax tree UV The UV company: Astral Memoization Singleton
Lars wants a less demanding way to prepare for giving talks, but he doesn't have the time right now. Andreas knows a cheat code for public speaking. Lars uses slides like a blunt instrument. How should you wield your slides? How do you weigh information content against entertainment value? Should you try to reach precisely everyone with your talk? Many slides, or few? Lars has the questions, and some of the answers, at least for himself. Last but not least, Lars reveals his current way of preparing for talks. It ideally involves getting quite bored. Links Proof of Andreas speaking in public Sverok Beamer - write your slides in LaTeX Lars' Gigcity Elixir talk José Valim Chris McCord Øredev Lars' Øredev talk Lars Lisbon talk - Lively LiveView Code BEAM Berlin Jon Carstens Null modem Erlang clusters Wireguard Open source summit Another brick in the wall
What are people talking about when they talk about developer experience? Pretty colors in the terminal? What is worth improving, what is not? Lars has thoughts about all of developer experience, not least the one of Nerves. How flaky do you accept, for how fast? Revealed: why all Andreas' Elm programs are one line long. Also: Why not attend the Øredev developer conference in Malmö this November? Links DX - developer experience Elm Language server Elixir's brand new official language server team unifies the work of the previous separate teams The Elm language server Mix - Elixir build tool Nerves NervesHub Nerves Cloud Buildroot Vintage - network configuration and management for Nerves devices REPL - Read-evaluate-print loop Ccache IEx - Elixir's interactive shell Hyllie Øredev Yocto SKF Bredbandsbolaget NervesHubLink OTP Smalltalk Lisp machines Beam Radio Bryan Hunter Rebar3
Andreas' place of work ceased to exist. It was mostly a relief. The main worry is about resting and recovering enough before whatever comes next begins. All the learnings about how not to do certain things live on. The right way of doing those things still remains to be learned. Lars is on the other end of the spectrum: beginning completely new things. Figuring out where exactly Delaware is, finding a Nerves-shaped Elixir hole, wading through Python scripts, and so much more. Also: Why not attend the Øredev developer conference in Malmö this November? Links Lönegaranti - wage guarantee Uppsägningstid - notice period Aria Hyllie Øredev Frank Hunleth talking about Nerves Nerves Raspbian Raspberry pi 3 Raspberry pi zero Adafruit Inky pHAT e-ink display Lars' ported Inky library Buildroot Yocto NervesHub Josh Kalderimis Travis CI Nerves Cloud Milwaukee Delaware Stripe Atlas Heartbleed Shellshock Stagefright Row hammer CrowdStrike Flickswitch SmartRent
CRUD - a classic term among supposedly simple web apps. But, not always the right move? Not always all that mappable to the actual problem? Discussed: picking spicy architectures, non-CRUD data storage needs, slovely solutions, dirty refunds, and doing the OAuth dance. Hey, thing happened! Finally: a story where pubsub was reasonable, and some telemetry. Links CRUD - Create, read, update, delete Django Ruby on rails Phoenix Ash RethinkDB Mnesia Plausible analytics Timescale Clickhouse Nervesconf Alex McLain Nerves CubDB RocksDB DynamoDB The DynamoDB paper Ecto OAuth
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