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Welcome to the Real Returns podcast, where we learn how real investments can make a real impact. Join your hosts, Andrew and Dan, as they share stories and interview business leaders on how real estate and other forms of investment can create meaningful change for individuals and communities around the world.

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June 10, 2026Episode 824 min

S8E8 - Afif Ghannoum | Building Trust in the World of Supplements

In this episode of Real Returns, Andrew sits down with Afif Ghannoum, founder and CEO of CPG Radar, a platform that uses big data and AI to help consumer brands accelerate innovation in the supplement space. Afif pulls back the curtain on how the supplement industry actually works, from the brands getting it right to the ones cutting dangerous corners, and explains why the data behind what you put in your body matters more than most people realize. He and Andrew also dig into the 85/15 principle, the hidden challenge of AI hallucinations in CPG data, and where the science on ingredients like peptides and creatine gummies actually stands. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro: Real Returns Season 8 01:07 - Meet Afif Ghannoum 01:30 - Supplement industry boom: $72.9B and growing 03:35 - What impact really means in CPG 05:00 - The 85/15 principle explained 06:29 - Omega-3s, fish oil, and the AI data normalization problem 09:32 - Quality, purity, and what's really in your supplements 14:02 - How to spot a trustworthy brand 16:55 - The rise of TikTok brands and ingredient shortcuts 18:13 - Peptides, postbiotics, and the science vs. hype gap 20:20 - Creatine gummies: consumer demand vs. real efficacy 23:28 - How to reach Afif "Many supplements are not cheap, but I will tell you, there is really something about you kind of get what you pay for. That's why anytime you see whether it's a private label product or like a super value brand...if you're seeing everyone else is like $30, $40 and these guys are $9.99...you got to do the math." — Afif Ghannoum Connect with Afif: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/afifghannoum/ Website: cpgradar.com — For more insights on purposeful investing, subscribe to Real Returns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-returns/id1642761377 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5tx0jOW8J1h3xsEWLuVPzm YouTube: youtube.com/@realreturns — Subscribe to our NEW monthly newsletter: http://www.realreturnspodcast.com Want to see your question answered on the show? Submit a question via our Q&A form: https://forms.gle/Fy9E6H7BTpzhGPueA

May 27, 2026Episode 722 min

S8E7 - Hisham Albahar | Logistics and Geopolitics in the Middle East

In this episode of Real Returns, Andrew sits down with Hisham Albahar, CEO of three logistics companies operating in the UAE and GCC region. Hisham shares a candid firsthand account of running a logistics business in the middle of an active conflict, how supply chain disruption rippled across an entire region, and why he believes scale and consolidation are the keys to modernizing a fragmented, century-old industry. He and Andrew also discover they're running nearly identical playbooks toward the same billion-dollar goal! Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro: Real Returns Season 8 01:07 - Meet Hisham Albahar 01:23 - How Andrew and Hisham connected through YPO 03:15 - Living and working through conflict in Dubai 05:24 - Media perception vs. reality on the ground 06:40 - Supply chain disruption: Strait of Hormuz and airport closures 08:44 - Why logistics is invisible until it breaks 10:02 - Touching people's lives through delivery 11:15 - AI in logistics: WhatsApp bots, route optimization, and dev efficiency 14:15 - Buying and consolidating logistics companies 15:43 - The 2030 vision: a billion in assets under management 18:24 - Economies of scale and the 1+1=4 principle 19:49 - How to reach Hisham "Throughout the Strait of Hormuz, you have Jebel Ali, which is one of the largest ports in the region, you've got the Qatar ports, you've got the Kuwaiti ports, you've got the Bahraini ports. So, all of those countries have been heavily impacted." — Hisham Albahar Connect with Hisham: Email: hisham@elite-co.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hisham-albahar-1755a824/ — For more insights on purposeful investing, subscribe to Real Returns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5tx0jOW... YouTube: / @realreturns — Subscribe to our NEW monthly newsletter: http://www.realreturnspodcast.com Want to see your question answered on the show? Submit a question via our Q&A form: https://forms.gle/Fy9E6H7BTpzhGPueA

May 13, 2026Episode 622 min

S8E6 - Mary Fearon | Bringing Purpose to the Employee Experience

In this episode of Real Returns, Andrew sits down with Mary Fearon, Founder and CEO of OnPrpose, a leadership and communications firm built on the belief that stories change people and people change the world. Mary makes the case that the staggering employee disengagement crisis isn't a people problem, it's a culture problem; and shares what it actually looks like to help leaders reconnect their teams to purpose, identity, and the work that matters. Timestamps: 00:00 - Opening Segment 00:43 - Welcome & Guest Introduction 01:34 - What Mary Is Building: Connected Organizations 03:24 - More Connected Than Ever, Yet More Isolated 05:27 - Gallup's Record-Low Engagement Numbers, and Why It's Not Surprising 07:58 - How Do You Actually Define Purpose? 10:41 - Why Stories Are the Engine of Change 12:21 - What About the Skeptic? Meeting People Where They Are 13:26 - The Factory Story: Proof That Everyone Wants to Contribute 18:20 - AI and the Rise of the "Hard Soft Skill" 21:36 - Where to Follow Mary's Work 22:05 - Closing Segment "No amount of stuff you add onto the heap —the benefits, the volunteer days, the better salaries — matter at all if we don't address the person's mindset as they walk through the door." — Mary Fearon Connect with Mary: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-fearon-45515b22/ Website(s): OnPrpose: https://onprpose.com/ maryfearon.com: https://maryfearon.com/ Instagram: @MaryMFearon — For more insights on purposeful investing, subscribe to Real Returns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-returns/id1642761377 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5tx0jOW8J1h3xsEWLuVPzm YouTube: / @realreturns — Subscribe to our NEW monthly newsletter: http://www.realreturnspodcast.com Want to see your question answered on the show? Submit a question via our Q&A form: https://forms.gle/Fy9E6H7BTpzhGPueA

April 29, 2026Episode 524 min

S8 E5 - Dr. Dinakar Golla | A Plastic Surgeon's Take on Investing

In this episode of Real Returns, hosts Andrew Reichert and Dan Croce sit down with Dr. Dinakar Golla, a Pittsburgh-based plastic surgeon, entrepreneur, and venture investor. Dinakar shares how a pivotal mentor in medical school redirected his career, how he transitioned from practicing medicine to building a diversified investment portfolio, and why he believes aligning incentives is the key to fixing American healthcare. Timestamps: 00:00 Opening segment 00:40 Welcome back; NFL Draft in Pittsburgh 00:57 Meet Dr. Dinakar Golla 01:48 Growing up in Pittsburgh 02:22 The plan to become a cardiac surgeon 03:36 A mentor changes everything 04:32 His mentor passes two days after matching 05:11 Mentorship reflections from Andrew and Dan 06:52 Leaving the university to build his own practice 08:33 The thrill of building from scratch 09:25 Transition from success to significance 10:04 Getting into alternative investing 11:38 Investment philosophy and LP lessons 13:38 Healthcare technology and the impact opportunity 14:13 America's most expensive healthcare system 14:45 Rewarding outcomes, not usage 16:11 Patients must own their care 17:05 Andrew's cancer story; misaligned incentives 17:46 The dialysis example 19:21 Next five years; venture and legacy 20:48 Launching a Pittsburgh healthcare venture fund 21:34 Involving his kids in investing 22:09 Dan and Andrew's closing takeaways 23:21 Where to connect with Dr. Golla 23:37 Outro "I think the key to [fixing healthcare] is that it has to be value-based. If it's getting to be 20% of GDP and we're just not getting really good outcomes, that's a bad thing." — Dr. Dinakar Golla Connect with Dr. Golla: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dinakar-golla-27b2151b Website: gollaplasticsurgery.com - For more insights on purposeful investing, subscribe to Real Returns on YouTube. YouTube: https://youtube.com/@realreturns — Subscribe to our NEW monthly newsletter: http://www.birgo.com/realreturns Want to see your question answered on the show? Submit a question via our Q&A form: https://forms.gle/Fy9E6H7BTpzhGPueA

April 15, 2026Episode 418 min

S8 E4 - Julie Hanners | Improving Lives Through Real Estate at Scale

In this episode of Real Returns, we're joined by none other than Julie Hanner, VP of Property Management at Birgo Realty! 🦏🏡 Julie shares what it truly means to serve the people who live in your properties. With 30 years of industry experience, including oversight of 25,000+ unit REIT portfolios, Julie unpacks what a resident-first culture actually looks like in practice, and how resilience shaped her approach to leadership. Timestamps 0:00 – Why Happy Residents Are Your Best Marketing 0:35 – Meet Julie Hanners: 30 Years of Experience 1:15 – Why Julie Left a Massive REIT 2:06 – How Birgo Up-Skills Its People 2:45 – Why Julie Started in Leasing 3:18 – The Weight of the Rent Check 4:11 – Building Community Through Intentional Events 5:01 – Growing Yourself by Developing Others 6:10 – The Rhino Operating System Explained 7:21 – Andrew's Cancer Diagnosis: A Personal Story 8:06 – Battling Cancer Alone During the Pandemic 9:15 – Every Day Is a Gift 11:20 – Core Values: Maintenance Teams Cross State Lines 12:15 – Discovered vs. Created Core Values 13:51 – The Chief Janitor Mindset 14:28 – Why Executives Must Stay Eternal Students 15:35 – Birgo's Biggest Growth Year Yet 16:20 – Developing the Leaders Who'll Replace You 17:35 – Closing "You want someone to move into your community thinking, this is the best thing since sliced bread." — Julie Hanners Connect with Julie: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-hanners-cpm-candidate-cam-caps-2774a077/ - For more insights on purposeful investing, subscribe to Real Returns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-returns/id1642761377 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5tx0jOW8J1h3xsEWLuVPzm YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@realreturns — Subscribe to our NEW monthly newsletter: https://www.birgo.com/realreturns Want to see your question answered on the show? Submit a question via our Q&A form: https://forms.gle/Fy9E6H7BTpzhGPueA

April 1, 2026Episode 326 min

S8 E3 - Patrick Colletti | The "Refounder" Mindset

In this episode of Real Returns, host Andrew Reichert is joined by Patrick Colletti, who shares the mindset required to revitalize organizations at any stage. From scaling Net Health to serve over 34,000 healthcare facilities to his current role as an executive advisor and adjunct professor at Carnegie Mellon, Patrick discusses the discipline of "refounding" and what it means to be a "running partner" to today's leaders. After stepping into a near-bankrupt startup where the money was gone and the entire staff had been fired (leaving only Patrick and one partner) he embarked on a journey to transform a broken business into a thriving one with over 600 employees, inspiring him to teach others how to do the same. Timestamps 0:00 – The Cycle of Trust: Building risk-taking "muscles" through vulnerability. 0:44 – Guest Intro: Meet Patrick Colletti, CEO advisor and author of Refounder. 1:09 – Patrick's early career and the 90-day ultimatum at a failing startup. 1:53 – Winning vs. Not Losing: The psychology behind taking on "impossible" challenges. 3:50 – Why fixing something broken is a unique leadership discipline. 5:30 – Empowering every level of an organization to think like a founder. 7:15 – From Zero to a Billion: Patrick's journey advising founders through massive scale. 9:37 – Lessons from scaling Net Health from 2 to 600 employees. 10:10 – Why focusing on "highly engaged teammates" beats focusing solely on EBITDA. 12:06 – Building culture through authentic vulnerability and employee storytelling. 16:51 – How Birgo used "TED talks" (including a memorable one on crocheting) to build trust. 18:05 – Growth on Purpose: Developing a "white belt mentality" in leadership. 19:51 – The Next Chapter: Teaching at Carnegie Mellon and planting seeds for next-gen leaders. 20:46 – The Dinner Stories: A unique method for fast-forwarding trust between strangers and polarized groups. 26:01 – Closing "Authentic vulnerability creates trust, which then allows us to create risk-taking muscles so that we can take bigger and maybe more important risks together." — Patrick Colletti - Refounder (Book): https://refounder.com/ The Dinner Stories: https://www.thedinnerstories.com/ Analog Sunday: https://www.analogsunday.co/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-colletti/ - For more insights on purposeful investing, subscribe to Real Returns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-returns/id1642761377 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5tx0jOW8J1h3xsEWLuVPzm YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ ⁨@realreturns⁩ — Subscribe to our NEW monthly newsletter: www.birgo.com/realreturns Want to see your question answered on the show? Submit a question via our Q&A form: https://forms.gle/Fy9E6H7BTpzhGPueA

March 18, 2026Episode 223 min

S8 E2 - Adam Taki | Vertical Integration and Arithmetic Risk

In this episode of Real Returns, host Andrew Reichert sits down with Adam Taki, President of Actlien Holding Inc. and a specialist in the complex world of tax sale certificates. A disciplined investor with a background in "arithmetic risk," Adam is on a mission to navigate high-barrier niches where perceived risk often scares away the competition, but the numbers tell a much more stable story. Adam shares why his tax-lien investing strategy is similar to bonds, explains why his company is vertically integrating by launching its own plumbing division, and offers a unique perspective on the Tyler v. Hennepin Supreme Court decision that upended the tax foreclosure industry. Timestamps: 00:00 - Opening Segment 01:40 - Scaling through Vertical Integration: Why Actlien is starting a plumbing division 03:20 - Why building is better than buying in 2026 05:25 - Tax Liens 101 08:45 - Geographic Strategy: Navigating the complexities of the NY and NJ markets 11:30 - The Institutional Shift: Trends in single-family residential ownership 14:15 - The Social Impact of Tax Liens: Extending credit to save homes from foreclosure 18:30 - Tyler v. Hennepin: How a landmark Supreme Court ruling changed the industry 22:15 - Arithmetic vs. Perceived Risk: Adam's philosophy on finding niche opportunities 23:30 - Closing Segment "At the end of the day, the thing that we're investing in looks and smells like a bond more than it ever has." — Adam Taki — Connect with Adam: LinkedIn: / adamtaki Website: https://actlien.com/ — For more insights on purposeful investing, subscribe to Real Returns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5tx0jOW... YouTube: / @realreturns — Subscribe to our NEW monthly newsletter at https://www.birgo.com/realreturns. Want to see your question answered on the show? Submit a question via our Q&A form: https://forms.gle/Fy9E6H7BTpzhGPueA

March 4, 2026Episode 129 min

S8 E1 - Greg Furer | Why Having a Plan for Your Money is the Key to Wealth

In the season eight premiere of Real Returns, hosts Andrew Reichert and Dan Croce sit down with Greg Furer, founder of Beratung Advisors and the TeachPassion Summit. A visionary in the financial planning space, Greg is on a mission to solve the "Cheesecake Factory" problem of finance, where too many choices lead to decision paralysis, by shifting the focus from selling products to providing life-changing advice. Greg shares his provocative philosophy on inheritance, why he plans to leave "no money" to his daughter, and offers a profound distinction between "Success" and "Excellence" that changed how he viewed his personal and professional goals. Timestamps: 00:00 - Opening Segment 01:05 - Welcome to Season 8! 02:30 - Meet Greg Furer: The "Aspiring Accountant" turned Financial Planner 04:15 - The Cheesecake Factory Problem: Why too much information leads to paralysis 07:10 - Advice vs. Assets: Why Beratung Advisors leads with planning, not products 10:45 - The 2026 Tax Cliff: Preparing for the "One Big Beautiful Bill" 13:20 - Bonus Depreciation & Real Estate: What's changing for investors? 16:05 - Strategic Generosity: 529 Plans and the "Above the Line" Deduction 19:15 - Success vs. Excellence: Measuring yourself against your calling 21:40 - The "No Inheritance" Philosophy: Why cash without core values is foolish 24:30 - TeachPassion Summit: Equipping leaders to scale their impact 26:15 - Closing Segment "Success is when you measure yourself outwardly against somebody else. Excellence is when you measure yourself inwardly against the person that God's called you to be." — Greg Furer - Connect with Greg: LinkedIn: Greg Furer Website(s): Beratung Advisors | TeachPassion Summit - For more insights on purposeful investing, subscribe to Real Returns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-returns/id1642761377 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5tx0jOW8J1h3xsEWLuVPzm YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjlzrIn04Ee4iBPE7kEUBjg - Want to see your question answered on the show? Submit a question via our Q&A form: https://forms.gle/Fy9E6H7BTpzhGPueA

December 31, 2025Episode 925 min

S7 E9 - Insights and Impact from Season 7 of Real Returns

In this final episode of the year, Andrew and Dan reflect on an impactful seventh season of Real Returns. Recorded on New Year's Eve, the hosts look back at the shift in the podcast's focus: moving beyond technical investment advice to share the deeply personal stories of world-class entrepreneurs and real estate leaders. Episode 1 w/Grant Cardone: A discussion on "going big," the democratization of real estate, and the future of Bitcoin-infused properties. Episode 2 w/Travis Chappell: Insights on the "bigger shovel" mentality—focusing on increasing income through skill-building and high-value networking. Episode 3 w/Michael Johnson: A unique academic perspective on innovation and the often-overlooked value of intellectual property as an asset class. Episode 4 w/Omar Khan: Why "time in the market" beats "timing the market" and the importance of staying disciplined through market cycles. Episode 5 w/Liran Gabbay: How AI is eliminating "spreadsheet burnout" to allow asset managers to focus on high-leverage, strategic work. Episode 6 w/Vishal Gupta: A powerful lesson on the human element of business—how every major mistake ultimately comes down to people and hiring. Episode 7 w/Mike Morawski: The importance of mindset and rebuilding after a crisis. A masterclass in creative financing and intentionality. Episode 8 w/Sasha Bernier: A deep dive into "industrial outdoor storage" and the philosophy of "betting on the jockey" (the independent sponsor) over the horse. -- Visit our website https://www.birgo.com/ to learn more about High-Quality Recession Resistant Assets for the Everyday Investor -- LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, AND LEAVE US A REVIEW on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, YouTube, or whatever platform you listen on. Thank you for tuning in, and Stay Tuned for the next episode COMING SOON!

December 23, 2025Episode 826 min

S7 E8 - Sasha Bernier | Diversification & The Rise of Industrial Outdoor Storage

Is your investment strategy diversified enough to withstand the next market cycle? 🔄 In this episode of Real Returns, host Andrew Reichert sits down with Sasha Bernier, Managing Partner at Hestia Holdings and Partner at Cheltenham Enterprises. With a career spanning private equity, credit hedge funds, and law, Sasha shares his "tactical" approach to real estate and why he believes the most resilient returns are found in the niches most investors overlook. Sasha reveals the specific "home run" deal in Florida that moved from an 8% cap rate to a 5.75% cap rate simply by securing a credit tenant, and why he's doubling down on Industrial Outdoor Storage (IOS) as the next institutional frontier. From navigating the Great Financial Crisis to identifying the "impaired assets" that will hit the market in 2026, Sasha provides a masterclass in disciplined investing. Learn how a holistic approach, incorporating meditation and mentorship, drives professional success, why the most impactful investment you can make is "betting on the jockey" through independent sponsors, and how Sasha is building a legacy for the next generation. Timestamps: 00:00 - Opening Segment 00:55 - Meet Sasha Bernier: From Law School to Real Estate Titan 02:00 - Lessons from the Great Financial Crisis: The Power of Patient Capital 04:55 - The 2021 Peak: Why Discipline Beats Speculation 07:05 - Why Industrial Outdoor Storage (IOS) is the New Frontier 08:15 - Case Study: The 10,000 Sq Ft Florida IOS "Home Run" Deal 10:30 - Market Predictions for 2026: Distressed Assets and Opportunity 11:45 - Investing for Impact: Mentoring Independent Sponsors 13:50 - Building Legacy: Lessons from Mentors and the Next Generation 15:05 - The Most Significant Win: The Decision to Spin Out 16:10 - Lightning Round: The Shawshank Redemption and Meditation 17:35 - Closing Segment Key Quote: "When we find…independent sponsors that don't have capital, and we can help them with that capital to grow and become stronger and then build their own wealth. For us, that's impactful." - Sasha Bernier Connect with Sasha: LinkedIn: Sasha Bernier Website: Hestia Holdings Subscribe to Real Returns wherever you listen to podcasts for more insights on impactful investing and alternative asset strategies. LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, AND LEAVE US A REVIEW on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, YouTube, or whatever platform you listen on. Thank you for tuning in, and Stay Tuned for the next episode COMING SOON!