PrOTect It All

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PrOTect IT All with Aaron Crow delivers weekly episodes focused on cybersecurity and operational technology, tackling emerging threats across industrial control systems, AI security, and IoT threats. The show emphasizes enterprise risk management, manufacturing security, power grid security, and threat intelligence, providing listeners with authentic conversations from security leaders and practitioners. It’s a resource for those committed to real-world IT operations security and understanding AI risks in critical infrastructures.

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July 27, 202651 min

Cybersecurity Leadership: Why People Matter More Than Technology

The biggest cybersecurity challenge isn't technology - it's people. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes Swapnil Kachave for an insightful conversation about what it really takes to build high-performing cybersecurity teams in an era of AI, automation, and increasing cyber threats. Having built and led Security Operations Center (SOC) teams across five industries, Swapnil shares why successful cybersecurity programs are driven by leadership, communication, and continuous learning - not just the latest tools. Together, Aaron and Swapnil explore the growing impact of alert fatigue, burnout, workforce development, and the changing role of AI in modern security operations. They also discuss why "people debt" can become just as dangerous as technical debt and how organizations can create resilient teams prepared for the future. Key Moments: Why cybersecurity leadership is fundamentally about people How to reduce alert fatigue and improve SOC performance The importance of mentoring, training, and career development How AI is changing security operations - and the skills teams need next Why communication and empathy make better security leaders How organizations can prepare teams for emerging technologies like AI and quantum computing Whether you're leading a SOC, managing cybersecurity programs, or just beginning your security career, this episode delivers practical leadership lessons that extend far beyond technology. Key Moments: 06:04 Dealing with alert fatigue 07:55 Navigating SOC career growth 13:54 From network admin to new opportunities 14:41 Diverse career path overview 21:02 Translating tech issues for executives 23:41 Importance of Soft Skills in Tech 25:50 Prioritizing practical knowledge over trends 31:03 Prototyping and learning new skills 35:26 Using AI to validate ideas 37:57 Human awareness vs. tech evolution 41:32 Quality assurance in AI responses 42:40 Discussing AI system reliability 46:05 Accelerating processes with AI tools Tune in to discover why investing in people is still the most effective cybersecurity strategy - only on Protect It All. About the guest : Swapnil Kachave is a cybersecurity operations leader with extensive experience building and leading Security Operations Center (SOC) teams across five industries. Passionate about developing people as much as technology, Swapnil specializes in security operations, incident response, and leadership development. They focus on helping organizations build resilient cybersecurity teams by balancing technical excellence with communication, mentorship, and continuous learning in an increasingly AI-driven world. How to connect Swapnil: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swapniilkachave/ Website: https://www.optiv.com/= Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co Website: https://protectitallpod.com/ep116 X: https://twitter.com/protectitall YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PrOTectITAll FaceBook: https://facebook.com/protectitallpodcast To be a guest or suggest a guest/episode, please email us at...

July 20, 202645 min

Conficker Still Exists? The Hidden OT Malware Threat Putting Critical Infrastructure at Risk

Some of the biggest cybersecurity threats to critical infrastructure aren't new - they've simply never gone away. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes back Lesley Carhart for a fascinating conversation about why decades-old malware like Conficker continues to infect operational technology (OT) environments around the world. Drawing on nearly two decades of industrial incident response experience, they share real-world stories from the front lines of critical infrastructure, explaining why legacy systems, operational constraints, and workforce shortages continue to make remediation incredibly challenging. The discussion goes far beyond "just patch it," exploring the difficult risk decisions organizations face when uptime, safety, and cybersecurity all compete for priority. Aaron and Lesley also examine one of the industry's most pressing issues: the growing shortage of OT cybersecurity talent and the need to rebuild foundational technical skills for the next generation of defenders. Key Learnings: Why malware like Conficker still exists in modern OT environments The unique challenges of removing malware from industrial control systems Why patching isn't always possible in operational technology How legacy infrastructure creates long-term cybersecurity risk The growing OT cybersecurity skills gap - and how the industry can address it Practical lessons from real-world industrial incident response Key Moments: 05:47 Challenges with Old Industrial Systems 06:58 Struggles with malware cleanup 11:02 Challenges in Cyber Security Careers 16:19 Dealing with malware spread 17:53 Managing infection risk long-term 23:04 Challenges with nuclear hardware upgrades 27:05 Training the Next Tech Generation 29:33 Importance of Computer Basics 34:04 Discovering hidden technical issues 37:01 Troubleshooting in industrial environments 39:10 Malware and botnets era 42:20 Developing low-touch security solutions Whether you're responsible for manufacturing, utilities, energy, transportation, or any critical infrastructure environment, this episode provides practical insight into one of OT cybersecurity's longest-running challenges. Tune in to discover why yesterday's malware is still creating today's biggest industrial cybersecurity problems - and what organizations can do about it. About the guest : Lesley Carhart is a Principal Industrial Incident Responder at Dragos and a recognized expert in OT and industrial cybersecurity. With nearly two decades of experience in incident response, digital forensics, and threat hunting, they help organizations defend critical infrastructure from cyber threats targeting industrial control systems. Lesley is also a respected speaker, instructor, and advocate for cybersecurity education, regularly sharing their expertise with industry professionals and the next generation of defenders. How to connect Lesley: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lcarhart/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/hacks4pancakes Bluesky : https://bsky.app/profile/hacks4pancakes.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hacks4pancakes/ Website: https://tisiphone.net/ Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co

July 13, 202647 min

OT Cybersecurity: Why Trust Beats Technology | Jacob McCune | Ep 114

The biggest challenge in OT cybersecurity isn't technology - it's earning trust. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Jacob McCune, a cybersecurity architect with more than 20 years of hands-on experience across both IT and OT environments. Jacob shares his unconventional journey from the help desk to securing critical infrastructure, highlighting the lessons that only real-world experience can teach. Together, Aaron and Jacob explore why communication, collaboration, and trust are often the deciding factors between successful cybersecurity programs and failed initiatives. The conversation also dives into the future of OT security, examining how AI, cloud technologies, and evolving architectures are changing industrial environments and why organizations need to rethink traditional approaches while keeping operational realities front and center. Key Learning: Why trust is the foundation of successful OT cybersecurity programs How practical experience shapes better cybersecurity decisions The importance of communication between IT, OT, and leadership teams Why compliance alone doesn't guarantee security How AI and cloud technologies are reshaping OT environments What the future may look like beyond traditional industrial architectures Key Moments: 05:18 Building a Power Plant Team 09:06 Balancing cybersecurity with business needs 11:01 Avoiding project delays during downtime 16:04 Importance of Broad Experience 17:59 A mentor's lesson on teamwork 23:41 Challenges with job postings and requirements 26:27 Managing risk and resource challenges 29:59 Helping Your Compliance Team 33:12 Dad's long career and expertise 36:44 Discussing cybersecurity risk management 39:44 Cloud resources and AI discussions 41:08 Exploring future solutions and technologies Whether you're building an OT security program, managing critical infrastructure, or looking to grow your cybersecurity career, this episode delivers practical lessons from years of real-world experience. Tune in to discover why people, trust, and communication remain the most valuable assets in modern cybersecurity only on Protect It All. About the guest: Jacob McCune is a cybersecurity architect with more than 20 years of experience across IT and OT environments, helping organizations secure critical infrastructure through practical, real-world security strategies. From starting his career on the help desk to designing enterprise security architectures, Jacob has built a reputation for bridging the gap between IT and OT through collaboration, communication, and trust. He is passionate about helping organizations move beyond compliance to build resilient cybersecurity programs that protect both people and operations. Links to connect Jacob : LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-mccune-33a08984/ CornCon Cybersecurity Conference : https://corncon.net/ Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co Website: https://protectitallpod.com/ep114 X: https://twitter.com/protectitall YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PrOTectITAll FaceBook:

July 6, 20261 hr 12 min

AI for OT Cybersecurity: Real-World Strategies to Protect Critical Infrastructure

AI is changing OT cybersecurity - but success still depends on understanding your operations. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes Vivek Ponnada for a practical conversation about how artificial intelligence is transforming the way organizations defend critical infrastructure. With decades of experience in industrial automation and OT security, Vivek shares firsthand insights into the realities of protecting legacy control systems while preparing for a future increasingly shaped by AI, automation, and digital transformation. Together, Aaron and Vivek discuss how organizations can use AI to improve visibility, accelerate threat detection, prioritize vulnerabilities, and strengthen operational resilience, without losing sight of the fundamentals that keep industrial environments safe. Key Learning: How AI is transforming OT cybersecurity and industrial operations Practical AI use cases for protecting critical infrastructure Why legacy systems remain one of the biggest OT security challenges How AI can improve vulnerability management and incident response The role of digital twins in strengthening cyber resilience Why trust, collaboration, and operational knowledge remain essential in OT security Whether you're responsible for manufacturing, utilities, energy, water, or other critical infrastructure, this episode provides practical insights into balancing innovation with operational reliability. Tune in to discover how AI can strengthen OT cybersecurity while helping organizations protect the systems that keep the world running. Key Moments: 06:43 AI and cloud adoption in OT 13:27 Controller logic changes and safety steps 21:24 Discussing Digital Twins for Security Use 26:51 Managing vulnerabilities at scale 32:41 Understanding Power Plant Limitations 37:17 Keeping up with plant changes 41:43 Automating infrastructure and maintenance 49:08 Rising importance of cybersecurity investment 52:16 Early days in cybersecurity and OT 01:00:03 Ransomware impacts on industries 01:01:53 Using GPUs for security and OT About the guest : Vivek Ponnada is an Operational Technology (OT) Security practitioner with global experience and currently serves as the SVP of Growth & Strategy at Frenos, the world's first Simulated OT Pentesting Platform. Having started his career in Industrial Control Systems (ICS) as a Technician, Vivek became a Controls Engineer and commissioned Gas Turbines in Europe, Middle-East, Africa and South-East Asia. Post MBA, Vivek held multiple roles in Sales, Marketing & Business Development and Services covering ICS and OT Security solutions for Critical Infrastructure industries (Power, Oil & Gas etc.) at GE, XenonCyber Dynamics and Nozomi Networks. He was a co-lead for the Top 20 Secure PLC Coding Practices Project and regularly speaks at Information Security Conferences. Vivek has a C.Eng. from IEI, MBA from McCombs (UT Austin) and holds the ISA/IEC 62443 Cybersecurity Expert & GICSP certifications. He is a member of the ISA, ISACA, Public Safety Canada ICS Security Symposium Advisory Committee and is a CS2AI Fellow. How to connect Vivek: Frenos: https://frenos.io LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/1ot/ Frenos YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Frenos_Security Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co

June 29, 202644 min

OT Cybersecurity That Works: Defense in Depth, AI Risks & Protecting Critical Infrastructure

When it comes to OT cybersecurity, the fundamentals still matter - even in the age of AI. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Caleb Davis for a practical discussion on securing industrial environments where uptime, safety, and resilience are non-negotiable. From legacy control systems and tight budgets to AI-powered threats and open-source security tools, Aaron and Caleb explore the real challenges organizations face every day - and the strategies that deliver meaningful protection without requiring massive investments. A major focus of the conversation is defense in depth: building multiple layers of protection, fostering trust between IT and OT teams, and strengthening foundational cybersecurity practices before chasing the latest technology. You'll learn: Why defense in depth remains the cornerstone of OT cybersecurity How to improve security in legacy industrial environments Practical ways to strengthen OT security - even with limited budgets Why asset inventory, segmentation, and basic cyber hygiene still matter most How AI is changing both offensive and defensive cybersecurity The importance of trust and collaboration between IT, engineering, and operations Whether you're responsible for manufacturing, utilities, water treatment, energy, or any critical infrastructure environment, this episode delivers practical strategies you can apply immediately. Tune in to learn how layered defenses, strong relationships, and proven fundamentals create resilient OT security programs - only on Protect It All. Key Moments: 05:41 PLCs and network security challenges 07:24 Challenges in Updating OT Systems 11:33 Impact of Downtime on Security 16:03 Using affordable cybersecurity tools 19:14 Building Trust in Business Deals 23:01 Security challenges in medical devices 25:49 Trust and IT implementation risks 28:35 Using AI for safer software updates 31:05 Cybersecurity best practices for plants 33:40 Balancing Security Costs and Business Needs 37:50 Nurturing OT like raising kids 41:20 AI and cybersecurity concerns About the guest : Caleb Davis is a founding member of SolaSec, a cybersecurity consulting firm specializing in advanced penetration testing for embedded and connected systems. Based in Dallas/Fort Worth, he holds a degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Texas at Tyler and is a patent-holding expert with vast experience in hardware and firmware security. Caleb leads deep technical assessments across a range of high-impact industries, including medical devices, automotive, industrial control systems, ATMs and financial terminals, aerospace components, and consumer electronics. His work focuses on secure design, trusted boot processes, cryptographic implementations, and threat modeling, helping organizations integrate security throughout the development lifecycle and align with industry and regulatory standards. How to connect Celeb : SolaSec: https://solasec.io LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caleb-davis-400439100/ OTPCAP (OT PCAP analysis tool): https://github.com/SolaSec/otpcap Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co Website: https://protectitallpod.com/ep112 X:<...

June 22, 202641 min

Quantum Readiness: The Cybersecurity Threat Most Organizations Aren’t Prepared For

Quantum computing isn't a future problem - it's a cybersecurity challenge organizations need to start preparing for today. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes Jim Sortino for a timely discussion on quantum readiness, cryptographic risk, and the future of cybersecurity. As organizations continue accumulating technical debt and relying on aging cryptographic systems, the arrival of quantum computing threatens to disrupt the very foundations of digital trust. Jim explains why leaders need to think beyond today's threats and begin preparing for a future where current encryption standards may no longer provide adequate protection. Together, Aaron and Jim explore the practical realities of quantum risk, how organizations can identify vulnerable systems, and why crypto agility is becoming one of the most important cybersecurity priorities of the next decade. You'll learn: What quantum computing means for modern cybersecurity Why cryptographic technical debt creates long-term business risk How to assess your organization's quantum readiness The importance of crypto agility and encryption modernization Practical steps security leaders can take today Why IT and OT environments must prepare for the same emerging threats Whether you're a cybersecurity professional, technology leader, board member, or simply curious about the future of digital security, this episode provides actionable insights to help you prepare before quantum disruption arrives. Tune in to learn why the organizations that start preparing today will be the ones best positioned to protect tomorrow. Key Moments: 06:02 Challenges with product maintenance and AI integration 08:42 Importance of Software in Everything 12:30 Addressing cybersecurity risks 16:00 Authentication and trust challenges 18:13 Preparing for technological changes 20:56 Planning and Implementing Projects 25:38 Budget planning for cybersecurity risks 28:54 Challenges for Small Financial Institutions 31:27 Importance of regulations in business 33:37 Legacy security systems and protocols 36:38 Quantum readiness and future risks About the guest : Jim Sortino is the Chief Revenue Officer and a Board Member at Isera Corporation, where he helps organizations address emerging cybersecurity challenges through innovative identity and cryptographic security solutions. With decades of experience working with global enterprises, Jim specializes in helping leaders navigate complex technology risks, from technical debt and encryption modernization to quantum readiness. He is a passionate advocate for proactive cybersecurity strategies that prepare organizations for the next generation of digital threats. How to connect Jim Sortino : https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamessortino/ Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co Website: https://protectitallpod.com/ep111 X: https://twitter.com/protectitall YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PrOTectITAll FaceBook: https://facebook.com/protectitallpodcast To be a guest or suggest a guest/episode, please email us at...

June 15, 202644 min

Cybersecurity vs Resilience: What Business Leaders Need to Know About Managing Risk

Cybersecurity isn't the goal. Business resilience is. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Lee Ward to explore why organizations need to move beyond compliance checklists and start focusing on what really matters: the ability to withstand, recover from, and adapt to disruption. Drawing on more than two decades of experience spanning the UK civil service, logistics, supply chain operations, and governance, risk, and compliance (GRC), Lee shares practical insights on helping boards and executives understand cyber risk in business terms. Together, Aaron and Lee discuss the realities of risk acceptance, operational technology challenges, patching constraints, and why resilience not perfection should be the ultimate objective of any cybersecurity program. You'll learn: Why resilience is a better business objective than security alone How to communicate cyber risk to boards and executive leadership The difference between compliance and meaningful risk reduction Practical approaches to OT security, patching, and operational constraints Why risk acceptance is a critical leadership responsibility How logistics and supply chain organizations approach resilience planning Whether you're a security leader, executive, risk manager, or OT practitioner, this episode provides practical guidance for building organizations that can continue operating when disruptions inevitably occur. Tune in to learn why resilience not just security is becoming the defining metric of successful organizations. Key Moments: 03:59 Understanding Cyber Risks for Leaders 07:16 Discussing non-cyber risks to services 11:12 Understanding business impact of cyber risk 15:45 Evaluating Cybersecurity Risks 19:37 Understanding installation complexities 21:15 Global risks affecting business resilience 24:27 Discussing regulation impacts on business 29:30 People's drive to make good choices 31:27 Industrial control systems demo at DEFCON 34:43 Limitations of technical security 38:06 The future of AI and education About the guest : Lee Ward is a Governance, Risk Management, and Compliance (GRC) leader with more than 20 years of experience spanning the UK civil service, logistics, supply chain operations, and cybersecurity. Specializing in business resilience, risk governance, and operational technology security, Lee helps organizations translate complex cyber risks into meaningful business decisions. He is passionate about moving beyond compliance-driven security programs and helping leaders build resilient organizations that can adapt, recover, and thrive in an increasingly uncertain world. How to connect Lee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lee-ward-882a54244/ Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co Website: https://protectitallpod.com/ep110 X: https://twitter.com/protectitall YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PrOTectITAll FaceBook: https://facebook.com/protectitallpodcast To be a guest or suggest a guest/episode, please email us at info@protectitall.co Please leave us a review on Apple/Spotify Podcasts: Apple -

June 1, 20261 hr 2 min

Breaking Into Cybersecurity: Soft Skills, Networking & Standing Out in a Crowded Market

Technical skills might get your attention - but soft skills build cybersecurity careers. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with technology leader and mentor Robert Whetstine for a candid conversation about what it really takes to succeed in today’s cybersecurity job market. As AI reshapes hiring, the market becomes more crowded, and professionals struggle to stand out, Aaron and Robert explore the overlooked factors that often determine long-term success: adaptability, networking, authenticity, and communication. This episode goes beyond résumés and certifications to focus on the human side of career growth. You’ll learn: Why soft skills matter as much as technical ability in cybersecurity How networking and community create real career opportunities The impact of AI and oversaturation on the cybersecurity job market How to stand out without relying only on certifications Why adaptability and continuous learning are critical for long-term success Lessons on leadership, resilience, and professional growth from decades in tech Whether you’re breaking into cybersecurity, navigating a career transition, or trying to stay relevant in a fast-changing industry, this episode delivers practical advice and honest insights for building a sustainable and rewarding career. Tune in to learn why relationships, mindset, and adaptability are becoming the true differentiators in cybersecurity - only on Protect It All. Key Moments: 07:31 Developing essential soft skills 11:44 Embracing leadership and failure 16:14 Evaluating candidates for fit 22:00 Building a career through networking 31:16 Taking risks and finding support 35:16 The importance of empathetic leadership 38:34 Networking for job opportunities 47:28 Discussing layoffs for AI investment 50:07 Concerns about infrastructure cost 53:40 Entering the tech industry About the guest : Rob Whetstine (#BowTieSecurityGuy) has been in the technology and Cyber Security space for the last two decades. Known for the Mentoring, Making and of course his nerdy bowties. Born with an obsession for problem-solving, Rob's journey into the world of technology began at a young age, where he spent countless hours tinkering with computers found in the trash. When he was laid off a year ago from Disney after almost 20 years of service. He made it his mission to help people anyway he could. Those who were struggling in this job market and people new to Cyber. He started sharing videos on LinkedIn about his journey and sharing leadership stories. He has now started a podcast and mentors people all over the world. How to connect Rob : LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/bowtiesecurityguy/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@bowtiesecurityguy Connect With Aaron Crow: Website: www.corvosec.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co Website: https://protectitall.co/ X: https://twitter.com/protectitall YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PrOTec...

May 25, 202652 min

AI, Cybersecurity & Career Growth: Why Curiosity Matters More Than Credentials

The future of cybersecurity belongs to people who can adapt - not just those with the longest list of certifications. In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Peter Schawacker for a candid conversation about the evolving intersection of AI, cybersecurity, talent, and career growth. With nearly 30 years of experience in cybersecurity and technology leadership, Peter shares real-world insights on what organizations are getting wrong about hiring, why curiosity often matters more than credentials, and how AI is reshaping both technical work and the future of security teams. Together, Aaron and Peter unpack the changing role of CISOs, the dangers of checkbox-driven hiring, and why nontraditional talent may hold the key to solving the industry’s growing skills gap. You’ll learn: Why soft skills and curiosity are becoming critical cybersecurity assets How AI is transforming cybersecurity recruiting and technical roles The growing challenges around technical debt and workforce readiness Why traditional credentials don’t always predict success How CISOs and leaders should think differently about talent and culture Practical career advice for cybersecurity professionals navigating rapid change Whether you’re building a cyber team, hiring talent, or planning your next career move, this episode delivers honest insights into what it really takes to thrive in the AI-driven future of cybersecurity. Tune in to learn why adaptability, curiosity, and human ingenuity still matter most - only on Protect It All.. Key Moments: 04:08 The role of security in business 09:24 Managing Aramis online security 11:22 Hiring mindset for troubleshooting skills 13:55 Evaluating AI talent challenges 16:26 Discussing vulnerabilities in software 22:24 Early days of hacking and tech 25:55 Realizing the power of soft skills 28:15 Browsing eclectic book collections 32:13 Recent grads and AI opportunities 33:24 Getting into cybersecurity careers 37:22 Unexpected paths into security careers 40:41 Importance of critical thinking 44:35 Explaining tech's evolution over time About the Guest : Peter Schawacker is the Founder & CEO of Nearshore Cyber and a cybersecurity executive with more than 25 years of experience across multiple industries. A former CISO in four sectors, Peter specializes in cyber risk, AI governance, and workforce development. He is the creator of ARAMIS Insight, an AI-powered cybersecurity workforce competency platform aligned to the NIST NICE framework, and author of Governing AI at the Edge: An Operating Model for Citizen Development in the Enterprise. How to connect Peter: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schawacker Nearshore Cyber: https://nearshorecyber.com.mx | ARAMIS Insight: https://project-aramis.com/insight Email: peter@nearshorecyber.com.mx Phone: +1 (760) 880-4258 Connect With Aaron Crow: Website: www.corvosec.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co Websit...

May 18, 202649 min

AI in OT Cybersecurity: Real-World Risks, Smarter Defenses & the Future of Critical Infrastructure

AI is rapidly transforming cybersecurity but are critical infrastructure environments ready for what comes next? In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with longtime colleague and cybersecurity expert Clark Liu to explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping both IT and OT security operations. From incident response and compliance frameworks to workforce shifts and operational resilience, Aaron and Clark unpack the real-world opportunities and very real risks of integrating AI into industrial environments. Together, they tackle the evolving role of frameworks like NERC CIP and NIST, the challenges of balancing compliance with actual security outcomes, and how organizations can responsibly adopt AI without increasing exposure. You’ll learn: How AI is changing OT and IT cybersecurity operations The role of AI in incident response, documentation, and monitoring Why compliance frameworks alone don’t guarantee resilience The risks of adopting AI without strong operational foundations How organizations can prepare for AI-powered threats and workforce changes Practical insights for balancing innovation, budgets, and security priorities Whether you’re leading OT security, managing critical infrastructure, or evaluating AI adoption in your organization, this episode delivers practical guidance for navigating cybersecurity’s next major shift. Tune in to learn how AI is transforming cyber defense and what organizations must do to stay resilient only on Protect It All. Key Moments; 05:33 Understanding cybersecurity compliance frameworks 07:11 Overlooked vulnerabilities in systems 09:59 Balancing multiple firewall vendors 15:17 Delegating tasks to AI 19:11 Importance of documenting commits 21:51 Hospital system shutdown crisis 25:11 AI uncovering software vulnerabilities 26:37 Engineers implementing AI in automation 31:26 AI tools and personal security 32:55 Password security practices 36:46 Using AI for basic tasks 39:38 Transition to off-the-shelf software 42:29 Going back to basics with appliances 47:02 Excitement About Future AI Capabilities Guest Profile : Clark Liu is a veteran OT cybersecurity expert and one of the original contributors to the NERC CIP standards. With nearly two decades in energy and critical infrastructure security - including leadership roles at EY and GALLO - Clark specializes in OT risk management, compliance strategy, and securing industrial operations from the plant floor to the cloud. How to connect Clark: LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/clarkliu/ Connect With Aaron Crow: Website: www.corvosec.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow Learn more about PrOTect IT All: Email: info@protectitall.co Website: https://protectitall.co/ X: https://twitter.com/protectitall YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PrOTectITAll FaceBook: https://facebook.com/protectitallpodcast To be a guest or sugg...

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