
Ep. 139: Don't Just Add AI: Reimagining the Law Firm with Steve Embry & Carolyn Elefant
Recorded live at 8am's Kaleidoscope in Las Vegas, Ruby Powers sits down with two of legal tech's most trusted voices: Steve Embry and Carolyn Elefant. They talk about what's really happening beyond the tools and the hype. Steve is a writer for Above the Law, author of the Tech Law Crossroads blog, past chair of the ABA Law Practice Division, and a lawyer with more than 30 years of experience at a large firm. Carolyn runs the Law Offices of Carolyn Elefant, where she fights big energy. She trains lawyers on AI and writes MyShingle.com, the longest-running blog on solo and small firm practice, now in its 24th year. Together they bring a rare mix of big law, solo practice, and conference-circuit perspective. What we explore: ✅ The Business Model Squeeze: Clients now expect firms to invest heavily in AI to save the clients money. That puts hourly firms in a tight spot and raises a question nobody has fully answered yet: how do you turn a profit when the tools make the work faster? ✅ Don't Just Add AI: Carolyn's biggest frustration is that most firms are taking the existing model and tacking AI onto it. Why the real opportunity is starting from a blank slate and asking what clients actually value. ✅ MSOs, Private Equity & Non-Lawyer Ownership: Why Carolyn would rather see open co-ownership than management services organizations that quietly act as owners. Plus Steve's perspective on why big law and small firms are two completely different markets. ✅ How to Keep Up Without Burning Out: Tools that take hours one week and seconds the next. Why CLE isn't built for this moment, why peer groups matter, and why the first step is understanding your own business model before deciding what to learn. ✅ Succession Planning Beyond Retirement: It isn't only about lawyers aging out. What happens when your six-year associate leaves tomorrow, and what technology do you need in place to pick up their files? ✅ It's Not Harder to Change, It's Harder to Decide: Why age isn't the real barrier to adapting, and how AI makes experimenting cheaper and less risky than ever. ✅ Why the Optimism Is Justified: From the telephone to email to the cloud, lawyers have been skeptical of every new technology and adapted every time. Why this moment, especially for smaller and mid-sized firms, may be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. If you're feeling behind on AI, or wondering what your firm's model will look like in five years, this conversation will give you a clearer way to think about it. 📌 Connect with Steve Embry and Carolyn Elefant: Carolyn: LinkedIn and TikTok (Carolyn Elefant) | myshingle.com Steve: LinkedIn | Tech Law Crossroads 📣 SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS: 🚀 Law Firm Retreat: Own Your Next Chapter – January 2027 in Austin, TX. More details here: https://powersstrategygroup.com/law-firm-retreat-january-2027/ 📊 We Love Your Feedback! Help us design the next year of the podcast. Take this 2-minute audience survey: https://forms.gle/EgMgxd3tbXCsmqgp9 📌 Join the conversation in our Power Up Your Practice community! Hosted by Ruby Powers, your guide into the heart of law practice management. Each week, learn insights from leading legal minds, trailblazing attorneys, and expert guests who provide you with actionable advice, out-of-the-box solutions, and a fresh perspective on running your firm more effectively and efficiently. Prepare to open your mind, be inspired, and power up your practice to the next level. Watch more episodes of Power Up Your Practice on: 🌐 Website: powersstrategygroup.com 📺 YouTube: @powersstrategygroup 💬 Join our Skool Community - Power Hub: https://www.skool.com/powerupyourpractice Connect and learn more from your host, Ruby Powers: 🔹 LinkedIn: /rubypowers 🔹 Facebook: /poweruppractice 🔹 Website: rubypowers.com 🔹 Ruby's Book: Power Up Your Practice on Amazon Trusted Resources from Our Toolkit: • Stafi https://calendly.com/d/csbk-3y4-35w/staffing-strategy-session-stafi-ruby-powers?month=2025-07 • Filevine https://www.filevine.com/partner/powers-referral/ • CandleAI https://www.trycandle.ai/powers • Vonage https://share.vonage.com/zones/friend_landing_experience_microsite?extole_share_channel=%5C%22SHARE_LINK%5C%22&extole_shareable_code=wzq4f&referral_id=wzq4f&source=%5C%22direct%5C%22&utm_source=Power+Up+Your+Practice+by+Power+Strategy+Group&utm_campaign=a7c6feafe9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_04_13_07_58_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3b4d3388ea-a7c6feafe9-746189731 • Lawmatics https://www.lawmatics.com/partnerleads?referral_partner=Powers%20Strategy%20Group • Lawbrokr https://www.lawbrokr.com/referral?fpr=powerup&utm_source=Power+Up+Your+Practice+by+Power+Strategy+Group&utm_campaign=a7c6feafe9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_04_13_07_58_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3b4d3388ea-a7c6feafe9-746189731 • Wispr Flow https://wisprflow.ai/?utm_source=dub.co&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=AffiliateProgram&via=5kpues8&dub_id=LPTZwLE7svFqsVCO














