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June 12, 20261 hr 29 min
Episode 263: Chat is Dead
Podcasting 2.0 June 12th 2026 Episode 263 - "Chat is Dead"
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DG Editor - Building an idiot proof recording system for Bridge Church
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00 - THE USER-AGENT WAR — SPOOF vs. SIGN
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01 - THE PODCAST DATA COLLECTIVE (PCDC) — and Pod News reacts
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02 - MEASUREMENT RECKONING — AMP's 30-SECOND "PLAY"
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03 - PODCAST STANDARDS PROJECT vs 2.0 — and Index hygiene
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04 - APPLE WWDC — VIDEO PODCASTS EVERYWHERE
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05 - AI BUBBLE — FINANCIAL ENGINEERING + LOCAL/EDGE COMPUTE
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06 - INDUSTRY — AD-SKIPPING, AI LIABILITY, GROWTH
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June 5, 20261 hr 51 min
Episode 262: Podcleanse
Podcasting 2.0 June 5th 2026 Episode 262 - "Podcleanse"
Dave and Adam are joined by John Spurlock and throw a big idea into the boardroom: The Podcast Data Collective
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John Spurlock - Guest
The man behind op3.dev and Livewire.io - From the Great State of New Jersey!
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01 - THE IMPRESSION HEIST — AMP TASK FORCE RATIFIES 4 EXPOSURE DEFINITIONS, NO DISSENTING VOTES
Podnews press release Jun 4: <b>AMP Task Force Introduces Cross-Platform Alternative to the Podcast "Download"</b> — "unified impression guidance for audio and video, advancing impression-based measurement as the medium's primary transaction currency."
<b>Four exposure definitions ratified</b>. JS Jun 4 quote: "the AMP Task Force ratified a new framework with four exposure definitions, with no dissenting votes."
Podcast Play: 30 seconds of content played, audio or video, once per user per session.
Podcast Audience: The number of unique users who had a Podcast Play.
Ad Impression: A commercial begins playing for the user.
Ad Audience: The number of users exposed to an Ad Impression.
<b>They wanted to 'hasten the demand'</b>
Backstory: AMP first emerged May 29 (Podnews) — same day PC20-261 aired — "to confront podcasting's measurement dilemma."
<b>@dave reaction</b> Jun 4 16:12: "RE: [Podnews AMP story] More secretive, back room podcast 'industry' nonsense."
<b>PNWR Jun 5 confirms the cabal-composition critique</b> — James and Sam open the show debating AMP. James: "they also want to define what an impression is" + "we don't have a definition of podcast." Sam: "I don't think podcasting is [defined], we can measure consumption."
<b>PNWR catches the gaps</b> [0:09:00-0:09:30]: "Spotify yes, Acast no, Art19 missing… Apple is already doing that. Apple is already being cut [out]." Same observation @dave made — who's in the room and who isn't.
<b>@js replies @dave on AMP</b> Jun 4: "@dave Dave there were no dissenting votes" — Mastodon-thread confirmation that JS + Dave are on the same page about the consensus-by-cabal red flag.
Discussion: V4V counter-thesis — No Agenda is value-for-value (no impressions, no exposures). Open standards vs industry cabals. PNWR is independent-podcaster-aligned; AMP is platform-aligned.
Podnews AMP Jun 4 press release
Podnews AMP origin May 29
@dave Jun 4 reaction post
JS Jun 4 quote post
PNWR this week (Pod News Weekly Review)
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02 - THE OPEN COUNTERPART — PODCAST INDEX ISSUE #775 (PNWR + @DAVE BOTH ON IT)
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03 - THE WHY BEHIND IMPRESSIONS — "THE FIRST FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES"
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04 - THE PODCASTING 2.0 DATA COLLECTIVE — THE OPEN ANSWER TO AMP
<b>The Podcasting 2.0 Data Collective</b> — the open, V4V-aligned answer to the AMP cabal. Not a consortium with ratified definitions and trade-press releases. A collective of open tools and honest sentinels: OP3 for analytics, Podverse + newpodcasts.net for corpus data, Podcast Index for the namespace, Issue #775 for client identification done right.
<b>Matthew 5:6</b> (KJV): "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." The verse that frames the work. Open data, transparent measurement, value-for-value — righteousness in podcast governance. Those who hunger for it are the ones who'll be filled. The AMP cabal trades righteousness for an ad-tech seat at the table; the Data Collective just keeps the lights on.
<b>THE CHARTER — Adam's working document, June 5 2026</b>
<b>We hold more power than we give ourselves credit for.</b>
<b>Definition of a Podcast: Syndicated delivery of media files with precise consumption data for all stakeholders.</b>
What we brought in (the Podcasting 2.0 namespace contributions):
Transcripts
Chapters
Funding (V4V)
Person
Location
…etc.
<b>Statistical relevance:</b> Advertising is based on percentages. Collectively we have about 10% of all apps — statistically enough to be relevant.
<b>Godcaster app tracing proves we can measure important metrics.</b>
Data to aggregate and display:
Follows
Plays per episode
Completion rate by time
<b>Strategy:</b>
Become the authoritative source by publishing open stats
Monetize
<b>We will not be loved initially by the industry, because we will have the truth.</b>
Advertisers will love us though, as will Podcasters.
<b>Monetization:</b>
Data subscriptions
Resellers (DJL)
Ad Networks
Podcasters themselves (consideration)
Podcast Index has built the trust needed to house this data.
We already have a data exchange relationship with the apps.
<b>op3.dev is critical in this equation to offset the old system for correlation.</b>
<b>OP3 full podcast support landed this week</b> [PNWR 1:53:00-1:54:30] — OP3.dev now has full episode-level + show-level analytics support for podcasts. Spec work also moving on private feeds (insecure feeds spec). Direct relevance to V4V infrastructure.
<b>@dave → @james Jun 5 11:50</b>: "Do you have the daily lists that show up on newpodcasts.net available anywhere as a download? I'd love the full, historical list of feed urls that have appeared there if possible." Open-data request — corpus curation theme.
<b>@dave → @mitch May 30</b>: "Would you be able to send me a flat list of all the feed urls in Podverse which have more than X number of subscribers/followers? Let's say more than 5?" Podverse data request — corpus quality.
<b>Anchor FM RSS restoration request</b> — Fri 11:01 email to NA inbox (Lusso Lets). Listener can't retrieve feed data from Podcast Index. Adjacent infra beat — the unsung user-facing pain of corpus indexing.
Discussion: corpus curation as a steady-state job (Dave's sentinel work) vs measurement standards (the AMP cabal) — which one keeps the ecosystem honest? The Data Collective doesn't ratify, it just shows up to maintain. Hunger and thirst. They shall be filled.
OP3.dev — open podcast analytics
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05 - CAPTIVATE LAUNCHES DAX US — THE IMPRESSION ECONOMY IRL
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06 - BBC GOES ALL-IN ON CROSSED WIRES YEAR 3 — IPLAYER DEAL + "EDINBURGH OF PODCASTING"
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07 - STREAMING CONSOLIDATION — YOUTUBE MUSIC + TUBI + NETFLIX ALL WANT "PODCAST"
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08 - SUPPLY CHAIN SECURITY — VS CODE DELAYS, PHP FOUNDATION, SLSA LEVEL 3 IS NOT ENOUGH
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09 - AI BUBBLE PC20-FLAVOR — TOTO CHUCKS, MOTHER COMPUTERS, "NO 'I', ONLY MATH"
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10 - QUIPS / TRANSITIONS
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May 29, 20261 hr 26 min
Episode 261: Podhemian Grove
Podcasting 2.0 May 29th 2026 Episode 261 - "Podhemian Grove"
Podcasting 2.0 May 29th 2026 Episode 261 - "Podhemian Grove"
Mike Dell joined the board room to help Adam and Dave with the solution to the Secret Pdcast Group's Problems.
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01 - ALLIANCE FOR MEASUREMENT IN PODCASTING —
Podnews press release this morning: Alliance for Measurement in Podcasting (AMP) launches. Industry consortium for podcast measurement standards.
Dave reblog with snark (May 29): "They want better app metrics for their ad-tech but the only 'app' in their council is Spotify. 😆 There's a right way to do this IMO, but this is not it."
Discussion: measurement standards written by/for ad-tech — what would Dave's "right way" look like? Podcast Index neutrality vs industry-coalition co-opting.
Podnews AMP press release
Dave's reblog
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02 - SPOTIFY INVESTOR DAY — CREATOR MEMBERSHIPS (PATREON KILLER) + CLIPS + AGENTIC AI
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03 - BIPOC PODCAST CREATORS CLOSES — DEI FUNDING COLLAPSE → COMMUNITY ORG OFFLINE
BIPOC Podcast Creators (American podcast org for Black/Indigenous/People of Color creators) closes. PNWR interviews the co-founders 00:27:00 → 00:43:00.
Co-founder reflection: "the beginning of our podcast careers… feeling really…"
DEI funding pulled by new government (00:31:30): "we started to see a decline in the investment."
Direct call to platforms (00:36:00): "What is Spotify going to do? What is Apple, you…"
Legacy framing (00:39:00, 00:40:30): "You two created the first and the largest…" / "We made a mark in the history of this industry."
Discussion: DEI-funding-collapse → community-org-closure pattern. Platforms' responsibility to creator communities they don't host.
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04 - DAVE'S PACKAGE-MANAGER-SUPPLY-CHAIN-ATTACKS RIFF — "OSS WEAPONIZED BY AI"
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05 - LEO EMBRACES PODCASTING 2.0 — MAGIC CHAPTERS FOR CLUB TWIT MEMBERS
Drebscott observation May 28: Leo has finally embraced Podcasting 2.0 — added podcast: tags to TWiT shows. Paid Club TWiT members get chapters and don't get the funding tag. Paid Members get podcast:chapters; others get free podcast:funding.
Dave (May 28 multiple posts): "I noticed it too. It makes me feel valued as a TWiT club subscriber. Having chapters makes my WW and SN listening so much more enjoyable. I'm very thankful for it."
Dave: "I wanted to use magic chapters in my Castamatic but my iPhone 13 doesn't support the needed APIs. And, like you, I was pleasantly surprised when one day they showed up!"
Nathan working on podcast:image support for Podlink — asking for feed examples that already support it (May 28).
Discussion: differentiated namespace use by membership tier — clever segmentation. Compare to Spotify Creator Memberships (above) — Leo's RSS-native paywall vs Spotify's on-platform paywall.
Drebscott observation
Nathan podcast:image
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06 - RSS-AS-BLOG + <sopml:origin> + THREADED CONVERSATIONS IN RSS — DAVE + @FAHRNI THREAD
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07 - JS SPURLOCK SPOTLIGHT — FLIGHTCAST H.265 + SIGNED-HLS PUSHBACK
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08 - POD ROLL ATLAS + /DATASETS — STATUS CHECK FROM PC20-260
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09 - TRUEFANS RSS PAYMENT METADATA BUGS (JS NAMESPACE QC)
JS Spurlock to @samsethi May 16: truefans RSS payment metadata has field-naming bugs. Flagged against PR #734.
Bug list: "podcast" should be "feed_title"; missing required "split" + "timestamp" fields; "episode_guid" should be "item_guid"; "episode" should be "item_title"; "url" is not defined.
30-sec namespace-discipline beat — payment metadata correctness matters because boostagram split routing breaks silently when fields are mis-named.
PR #734 (truefans payment metadata)
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10 - PREMIUM RSS / SHARE-EQUALITY + HLS APPLE COMING IN (PNWR TAIL)
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May 15, 20261 hr 37 min
Episode 260: Tennessee Trickshot
Podcasting 2.0 May 15th 2026 Episode 260 - "Tennessee Trickshot"
Podcasting 2.0 May 15th 2026 Episode 260 - "Tennessee Trickshot"
Adam & Dave Predict The Winter. That's all you need to know!
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01 - NGINX Rift: Achieving NGINX Remote Code Execution via an 18-Year-Old Vulnerability
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02 - ROB GREENLEE'S LLM-GHOSTWRITTEN "FRINGE REGRET" RETRACTION (folder: 06 Rob-Greenlee-Fringe)
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03 - The DGX Spark Donated by RSS.com Aesus DB10
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04 - POD ROLL ATLAS @ atlas.rss.io — DAVE'S /datasets PAGE SHIPS, ALBERTO BUILDS THE POSTER CHILD (folder: 02 Pod-Roll-Atlas)
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05 - DAVE'S SPAM CLASSIFIER SHIPPING WEEK + THE "AISTEN"/"RAPIDLU" BOT WAR (folder: 08 Dave-Spam-Bot-War)
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06 - AI SLOP LANDS ON SPOTIFY MEGAPHONE WITH ZERO DISCLOSURE (folder: 04 AI-Slop-Megaphone)
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07 - JOHN ENNIS "HEAVEN AND EARTH" — THE RALPH-WIGGUM LOOP THESIS ON LLMs + DAVE'S CODING-AGENT CONFESSIONAL (folder: 05 Ennis-Heaven-Earth)
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08 - HLS VIDEO TIPPING POINT — AMAZON MUSIC + SPOTIFY MEGAPHONE BOTH JOIN APPLE'S HLS IN A SINGLE WEEK (folder: 07 HLS-Video-Tipping-Point)
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09 - UP NEXT — HOLGER KRUPP'S MIT-LICENSED SERVERLESS iOS PODCAST APP (folder: 03 Up-Next-App)
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May 1, 20261 hr 23 min
Episode 259: SlopJacked
Podcasting 2.0 May 1st 2026 Episode 259 - "SlopJacked"
Dave ships first-party data at the app level - the new /upload/followcounts endpoint changes everything. Plus the podcast:contact; proposal, RSS.com's Alberto Betella on AI disclosure as enforcement substrate
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Bloomberg article we discussed about podslop, featuring the chicken guy from Alabama
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01 - DAVE SHIPS /upload/followcounts — FIRST-PARTY DATA AT THE APP LEVEL (folder: 01 Dave-Ships-Followcounts)
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02 - <podcast:contact> NAMESPACE PROPOSAL (folder: 02 Contact-Namespace)
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03 - ALBERTO BETELLA (RSS.com CEO) — AI DISCLOSURE TAG AS ENFORCEMENT SUBSTRATE (folder: 03 Alberto-RSS-AI-Disclosure)
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04 - TUCSON DENTAL CARE SEO SPAM PODCAST CLEANUP (folder: 04 Tucson-Dental-SEO-Spam)
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05 - AI HARDWARE CRUNCH — $65 BILLION US POWER EQUIPMENT BOOM (folder: 05 AI-Hardware-Crunch)
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06 - ANTHROPIC + AI PRICING FOLLOW-UP (folder: 06 Anthropic-AI-Pricing)
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07 - ROBLOX TANKS 18% ON CHILD SAFETY MEASURES (folder: 07 Roblox-Child-Safety)
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08 - BOARDROOM NEWS BITES (folder: 08 Boardroom-News-Bites)
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April 24, 20261 hr 39 min
Episode 258: Perceptron
Podcasting 2.0 April 24th 2026 Episode 258 - "Perceptron"
Dave and Adam walk through the entire technical process of building an industry resource for auto-flagging spam and slop podcasts. It's a doozy!
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Booking Tag
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DeepSeek V4 Released — Open Source AI From China
DeepSeek V4 released April 24 — two variants: V4-Pro (1.6T params) and V4-Flash (284B params, 13B active)
Open-weight MIT license, 1 million token context window
Trained on domestic Chinese chips (Huawei Ascend, Cambricon) — not Nvidia
V4-Flash: $0.14/M input tokens — cheapest frontier-class model available
White House OSTP accusing China of 'industrial-scale' distillation of US AI models
Anthropic caught DeepSeek using 24,000 fake accounts and 16M exchanges to distill Claude
Our own testing: DeepSeek V3.1 on Together.ai is 4-10x faster and half the cost of Llama 3.3 70B for production tasks
CNBC: DeepSeek V4 Preview
CNN: White House Accuses China Copying American AI
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Anthropic Claude Code Pricing Drama
Anthropic quietly removed Claude Code from $20/month Pro plan on April 21
Developer backlash immediate — reversed within hours
Head of Growth: 'a test on 2% of new signups' — but page changes were global
Internal data: heavy users cost Anthropic $60-$150/month on a $20 subscription
GitHub also suspended flat-rate Copilot signups, removed Claude Opus from $10 tier
The AI subscription model is structurally broken — WeWork/Uber playbook
StartupFortune article
Anthropic postmortem (April 23)
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Microsoft Voluntary Buyout — 7% of US Workforce
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Topics for Today
Podping / namespace updates?
Feed cloning follow-up from 257 — any new developments?
Sovereign Feeds update — feed editing experience
Last Modified 04/24/2026 14:38:32 by Freedom Controller
April 17, 20261 hr 32 min
Episode 257: Slop Factory
Podcasting 2.0 April 17th 2026 Episode 257 - Slop Factory
Show Notes
CI/CD Prompt Injection — Claude Code, Gemini CLI Credential Theft
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Fountain Flooding the API — 1.5 Million Hits in 24 Hours
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Feed Cloning Epidemic — Spam Flavor of the Moment
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April 3, 20261 hr 31 min
Episode 256: Master of Disaster
Podcasting 2.0 April 3rd 2026 Episode 256: "Master of Disaster"
ShowNotes
Index API Under Bot Attack
"Lyra" bots destroying API. OpenClaw scrapers (creator hired by OpenAI). Steno.fm 500 req/min. Dave: "Now I'm just angry."
@dave on Lyra bots
@dave on reflypod/OpenClaw
OpenClaw Drama
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Podping Alpha - Dave 6 Releases This Week
v0.4.0-v0.4.5: swarm health metrics, peer announcements, gossip-listener hang fix. @suorcd contributing PRs.
Podping alpha releases
"Dave did SIX podping releases this week. At this rate, podping will be at version 47 by Christmas. Still in alpha."
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Buzzsprout Free Transcripts
Free auto transcripts for paid plans. Speaker ID (unlike Apple). Chapters integration. Fanmail reply + voicemail.
Podnews: Buzzsprout transcripts
The Criddler on PC20 Complicated Community
Transcript Format Debate - Deep Research
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HOT - Podcast Portals Land Grab (Beehiiv, Speakeasy, Substack)
Three hosting launches in one week. Do ANY support namespace tags, V4V, or Podping?
Beehiiv launches podcast hosting - no revenue cut, IAB analytics
Speakeasy (Red Seat/Fox Corp) - invitation-only, Backtracks ad-tech
@samsethi: "Podcast portals offering hosting as ancillary service"
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March 27, 20261 hr 27 min
Episode 255: Snark Week
Podcasting 2.0 March 27th 2026 Episode 255: "Snark Week"
Adam & Dave Are joined by Nathan Gathright to discuss his latest project and writing
Nathan Gathright
Pod.Link
The Standards Innovation Paradox
March 20, 20261 hr 33 min
Episode 254: Pop a TTermy!
Podcasting 2.0 March 20th 2026 Episode 254: "Pop a TTermy!"
Adam & Dave discuss chapter formats, who controls the final creative output and we dodge The Criddler!
ShowNotes
We are LIT
opencode
currycaster
rodecaster pipewire
Booking code - Alex Sanfillipo - podmatch.com
Transcript format reduction
Transcript Search
What is Value4Value? - Read all about it at Value4Value.info
V4V Stats
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