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Pioneers and Pathfinders

Pioneers and Pathfinders

Hosted by Seyfarth Shaw LLP

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Episodes

253

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Oct 2026

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EN

About the show

Pioneers and Pathfinders is Seyfarth’s podcast about people driving change in the legal industry. Each episode features candid conversation with the people doing the work—lawyers, leaders, founders, teachers, and more. We will hear about their journeys—what they’re building, what they’re seeing, and what others can take from it. Co-hosted by Kevin Young, a Seyfarth partner and employment litigator who puts new tools and ideas to work in client service, and Zeynep Ersin, Seyfarth’s Chief Innovation & Strategic Design Officer, the podcast offers a front-line view into where the legal industry is headed Pioneers and Pathfinders was founded by J. Stephen Poor, Chair Emeritus of Seyfarth Shaw, a longtime industry leader who helped pioneer the application of Lean Six Sigma principles to legal service delivery.

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November 5, 202628 min

Michael Afar

Today, on Pioneers and Pathfinders, we're joined by Michael Afar, a labor and employment partner in Seyfarth's Los Angeles office, a 40 Under 40 honoree, and one of the minds behind SEYscraper, the winning idea from the firm's inaugural SEYence Fair. As this year's SEYence Fair drew over a 58% increase in participation over last year, Michael joins us to reflect on his own experience with the competition, from identifying a frustrating, time-consuming litigation problem to developing an idea that ultimately earned recognition from the Financial Times. At its core, SEYence Fair is about creating a culture where people across Seyfarth are empowered to share ideas, experiment, and rethink how we work. By crowdsourcing ideas from the people closest to the work, the competition helps give promising concepts the momentum to become something bigger. In our conversation, we also explore how lawyers can use AI and data to solve real problems, why experimentation matters, and how some of the best innovations can come directly from the practitioners closest to the work. Read the full transcript here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_Michael-Afar.pdf

October 15, 202632 min

Juan Carlos Varela

Today we're joined by Juan Carlos Varela, office managing partner of Seyfarth's Miami office and chair of the firm's Latin America practice. Throughout his career, Juan Carlos has advised clients on complex cross-border matters throughout the Americas and built a reputation as a leading international business lawyer. With Miami rapidly emerging as one of the world's most important hubs for international business investment and cross-border commerce, there's perhaps no better person than Juan Carlos to help us understand what that means for businesses, the legal industry, and the future of global business. Read the full transcript here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_Juan-Carlos-Varela.pdf

October 1, 202633 min

David Cowen Returns

Today we're joined by David Cowen, founder of the Cowen Group and SOLID. David brings together innovators across legal, technology, and business to help shape conversations around leadership, talent, and the future of the profession. In this episode, we'll explore the skills that matter most in an AI-driven world, how legal professionals can think strategically about their AI dividend, and David's ideas for conceptualizing career growth as a jungle gym, rather than a ladder. Read the full transcript here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_David-Cowen-Returns.pdf

September 17, 202632 min

Katya Linossi

We're very excited to welcome Katya Linossi, co-founder of AtlasFuse by ClearPeople, and a recognized leader in knowledge management and legal innovation. From helping law firms tackle information overload to building AI-ready knowledge infrastructure, Katya has spent years exploring how organizations can turn fragmented information into trusted, actionable intelligence. In today's conversation, we'll discuss the evolving role of knowledge management, the foundation firms need for enterprise AI, and why knowledge could be the ultimate competitive advantage in the years to come. Read the full transcript here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_Katya-Linossi.pdf

September 3, 202639 min

Jennifer Leonard Returns

Today we're joined by Jennifer Leonard, founder of Creative Lawyers. Jennifer works with law firms, legal departments, and law schools to help legal professionals navigate innovation, change, and the rapid evolution of AI. We'll discuss the future of legal education, the skills lawyers will need in an AI-enabled profession, the importance of design thinking and human-centered problem solving, and why this may be one of the most exciting moments in the history of legal practice. Jennifer also shares the inspiration behind her new book, Unprecedented: Designing a Human-Centered Law Firm When Everything is Changing, and her perspective on how lawyers and legal organizations can prepare for what's next. Read the full transcript here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_Jennifer-Leonard-Returns.pdf

August 20, 202630 min

Greg Dickason

Today, we're joined by Greg Dickason, executive vice president and chief technology officer for global legal business at LexisNexis. Greg has led technology and transformation initiatives across industries and around the world, so he brings a unique perspective on how organizations adopt innovation and navigate periods of rapid change. We'll explore the evolution of legal technology, what comes next in the age of AI, and how LexisNexis's new Customer Innovation Lab is creating a hands-on environment where customers and innovators can work together to develop the next generation of legal solutions. Read the full transcript here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_Greg-Dickason.pdf

August 6, 202628 min

Ari Kaplan

Today we're joined by someone who has spent decades at the intersection of law, technology, innovation, and leadership. Ari Kaplan is a former practicing attorney, a widely recognized legal industry analyst, researcher, author, and speaker who has dedicated his career to helping the legal profession understand and navigate change. Over the past two decades, he has conducted extensive research, advised leaders across law firms and corporate legal departments, and become one of the industry's most trusted voices on innovation and the future of legal services. Ari has a unique vantage point into what legal leaders around the world are thinking about: AI adoption and innovation strategy, talent development, change management, and the evolving relationship between law firms and their clients. We're excited to tap into those perspectives and explore what he's seeing across the legal industry right now. Read the full transcript here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_Ari-Kaplan.pdf

July 16, 202634 min

Josh Levy

One of the things we talk a lot about on this podcast is what it takes to drive innovation in industries that are not always quick to change, and today's guest is someone who's been working on that challenge from the inside out. Today we are joined by Josh Levy, co-founder and CEO of Document Crunch, an AI platform focused on making contracts more usable for the people who rely on them every day. Josh's perspective is unique in that his work in innovation is really grounded in experience. He started in construction management, moved into construction law, and then went on to lead legal and contracting efforts on major billion-dollar projects. It's a great example of innovation that doesn't just introduce new technology, but changes how people interact with legal information altogether. Read the full transcript here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_JoshLevy.pdf

June 18, 202631 min

Gregory Mostyn

Today we're joined by Greg Mostyn, CEO and co-founder of Wexler. Wexler is a fact intelligence platform built for litigation teams. Wexler extracts events, timelines, and contradictions from large evidence sets and links everything back to its source, helping litigators build a clear factual picture from what could be hundreds of thousands of documents. In this episode, we get into what it really takes to bring new tools into major law firms, how litigators are actually using AI to change the way they build cases, and the elephant in the room—what would actually happen to the billable hour? We also dig into where legal AI is headed, what Greg wishes he'd known when he first started, and what might soon look outdated about the practice of law. Read the full transcript of today's episode here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_Greg-Mostyn.pdf

June 4, 202633 min

Charlotte Alexander

Today's guest is Professor Charlotte Alexander, a leading scholar whose work has focused on the efficiency, transparency, and openness of the court system, particularly in civil litigation. Charlotte is a Harvard Law-trained scholar whose research has been published in some of the most prestigious journals in the world, including Science, the NYU Law Review, and the Texas Law Review. Today, Charlotte leads the Law, Data, and Design Lab at Georgia Tech and is Professor of Law and Ethics at the Georgia Tech Scheller College of Business. Charlotte and her team at Georgia Tech use AI and machine learning to process massive amounts of court data and surface of patterns and disparities that have long been buried in millions of pages of legal text. Charlotte's work has attracted funding from the National Science Foundation, the US Department of Labor, and Google. She serves on the AI Committee for the Georgia Judiciary and was a Fulbright Scholar. Simply put, Charlotte has been doing this work long before AI and machine learning became mainstream, bringing a perspective that is both deeply technical and human-centered. In today’s conversation, we’ll explore the challenges hidden in court data, what AI can and can’t do for the justice system, and ethical questions that come with deploying these technologies at scale. Read the full transcript of today's episode here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_CharlotteAlexander.pdf

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