'Perspectives' by Escala

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'Perspectives' is a bi-weekly investment podcast brought to you by Escala. In a world cluttered with information, 'Perspectives' cuts through the noise to bring you insights and commentary on global financial markets, economics and geopolitical news and events. Hear our most up-to-date views straight from the Escala Investment Committee meeting room and learn how the CIO team incorporate macroeconomic views, central bank thinking and government policy into actionable investment ideas for our clients. As an economist and seasoned practitioner with both domestic and international investment experience, Escala CIO, Tracey McNaughton, shares her views and observations to help you make sense of today's investment landscape. Join Tracey, and others at Escala, as they discuss the big issues affecting your investment portfolio and interview industry-leading voices in wealth management. For more information visit: escalapartners.com.au

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October 13, 202619 min

Perspectives: Episode 136 - Between Trump and a bond place

Perspectives: Episode 136 – Between Trump and a bond place In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, explores the collision between US fiscal stimulus and tighter monetary policy, why rising bond yields aren't necessarily bad news for equities, and how investors can find opportunities in a world where capital costs more. (0:55) We are in an interesting environment right now. The US is running two economic policies that are working against each other. (2:55) And all of this spending is making its way into the economy. The US is growing in nominal terms, that is, accounting for inflation, by over 6%. That is well over the average for the past 30 years. (4:48) We normally associate strong economic growth with strong financial markets. Yet recently we've seen bond yields rise and equities come under pressure. Has good economic news become bad news for investors? (7:11) So let's start with what happened in the Treasury market this week. (9:27) And this brings us to equities. Higher yields means that earnings generated way out in the future need to be discounted back to the present at a much higher interest rate (11:48) So Tracey how do you translate all of this into portfolio construction? (13:27) If we're looking for protection against a recession, long-duration government bonds may still have a role. In a conventional growth shock, inflation tends to fall, central banks cut interest rates and bond prices rise. But we don't see a recession anytime soon. (15:53) What about infrastructure – will that protect you in an inflationary environment? (18:20) What about the currency. We had a question at our morning meeting today – should US equity investors hedge the US dollar? (18:46) So you're not suggesting investors should become more defensive. You actually telling them to be more deliberate – be conscious of the risk you are taking and why?

September 14, 202616 min

Perspectives: Episode 135 – Resilient Portfolio Construction

In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, talks about why we are not trying to build the portfolio that performs best if we're right. Rather, we're trying to build one that can still achieve its purpose when we're wrong. (1:03) Do you think there's another shortage emerging that investors probably aren't thinking enough about? (3:09) Japan still owns roughly US$2.4 trillion of overseas debt . So nobody is suggesting Japanese institutions are suddenly going to dump that portfolio and bring the money home, are they? (3:49) But presumably Japan isn't the only reason yields are rising? (5:16) Since the risk-free rate sits underneath almost every asset valuation, this rise in bond yields, the rise in bond yields is becoming an equity market story as well. (6:23) We've talked about the price of capital. But you had an interesting question from a client last week which takes this discussion in a slightly different direction. That's the location of capital. (8:09) But gold is gold, so why does it matter whether it's sitting underneath New York, London, or Amsterdam? (9:01) So this is not just a gold story, is it? I remember during the GFC, it was important to know which bank kept your savings because some of those banks were ring-fenced by the government, but others weren't. (10:24) This is almost precisely the philosophical change we've been making in our new asset allocation methodology. (12:13) One of your strong criticisms of the traditional way we label assets in a portfolio is the label itself. What do you mean by that? (13:22) How does your methodology deal with that? (14:34) And what would today's discussion change? (16:53) That sounds less like optimization and more like engineering, doesn't it? (17:38) But presumably there's a cost to doing that

August 25, 202616 min

Perspectives: Episode 134 - Ride to the Conditions

Perspectives 134 – Ride to the Conditions In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, looks at the changing conditions facing investors, from persistent inflation and a stronger Australian dollar to rising government debt and the return of fiscal discipline. (0:44) Tracey, we spend a lot of time talking to clients and advisers about what is happening in markets, but I thought today we might turn that around a little and talk about what they are asking us. (3:13) You think there are good riders and bad riders in markets as well? (4:36) So how do you tell the difference between a good investor taking risk and a reckless investor who just got lucky? (5:08) And presumably that means there will be times when the more reckless investor actually looks like the better investor? (6:39) So what are the conditions around us today? (8:04) Which makes inflation harder to get rid of because the constraints on supply negatively impact growth. (9:34) Let's move onto the Australian dollar. We've seen quite a move recently. In the last month and a half we have seen almost a 3 cent move higher. What's going on? (10:21) US government debt has just passed US$40 trillion for the first time . It has doubled in roughly a decade and about US$3 trillion has been added in the past year alone. (11:43) And we're seeing the bond market respond to that now. The US 30-year Treasury yield has recently been above 5.3 per cent, the highest level since 2007 (13;49) Are we seeing that happen? (15;46) And presumably there's a feedback loop here as well. Higher yields make the debt problem worse. (17:11) Meanwhile, back home, the Australian Commonwealth government debt hit its own milestone last week topping A$1 trillion for the first time .

August 3, 202619 min

Perspectives: Episode 133 – Who's Paying for AI?

In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, discusses just how large the AI capital expenditure budgets have become, where the money is coming from, and which parts of the AI supply chain are most at risk of overinvestment. (0:51) It feels as though every major technology company is announcing another massive increase in AI investment. Just how big has this AI spending boom become? (2:00) What's interesting, though, is that the spending doesn't seem to be slowing. If anything, every earnings season the budgets seem to get bigger. (4:10) Microsoft seems to have convinced the market that the investment is paying off. Was that true for everyone? (5:58) For Alphabet and Meta, investors are still asking, "Show me how this next wave of spending turns into future earnings." (6:57) If the hyperscalers are collectively spending more than US$400 billion this year, where is all that money actually coming from? (8:38) Where does that capital come from? (10:47) AI has become one of the world's largest consumers of investment capital. The unfortunate thing is this is happening at the same time as bond yields are hitting multi-decade highs. (12:12) So, Tracey, whenever we see an investment boom of this magnitude, history tells us that eventually somebody builds too much. Is AI heading down the same path? (12:49) Let's work through the supply chain. Where do you think the risks are highest? (13:54) What about data centres – surely that's where everyone's worried about a bubble? (14:41) What about the companies actually making the equipment? (16:01) So, not all parts of the AI supply chain should be treated the same – particularly when we are talking about capex?

July 20, 202618 min

Perspectives: Episode 132 - We Need to Talk About Productivity

In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, explores why productivity has become the defining investment and economic challenge - and why getting it right could unlock stronger growth, lower inflation, higher living standards and a more durable bull market (1:00) What do you think? What are you saying to clients? (3:55) Those high expectations tend to be a feature of a mature cycle. Is that more the issue? (5:03) The first was the Prime Minister's new AI strategy. The second was the debate around whether Australia's superannuation system should play a bigger role in funding nation-building projects. (9:15) So perhaps the role of government isn't to direct capital. It's to create the conditions that attract it (9:23) How do you think this will change how Australians choose to invest? (13:03) If fewer investors purchase rental properties, there's also the possibility that rental supply becomes tighter, placing further upward pressure on rents. (15:02) Tracey, listening to everything we've discussed over the past two weeks, it feels like all roads lead back to one issue. Productivity.

July 5, 202617 min

Perspectives: Episode 131 – The Price of Sovereignty

In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, explores the question: who will pay for the building of strategic capability? From sovereign balance sheets and bond markets to private capital and Australia's superannuation system, she examines how the "Price of Sovereignty" could reshape investing for years to come. (0:44) Can governments actually afford another nation-building cycle? (3:30) Does that mean bond markets become a much bigger part of this story? (5:13) So, the price of sovereignty isn't just the cost of building new infrastructure. It's also the cost of financing it. (6:13) Who are the alternatives? You may have just given us a hint in your last answer. (6:57) On the surface, it looks like another trade dispute. Do you think it's actually something much bigger? (8:47) So, if governments are constrained and taxation becomes politically difficult, that inevitably pushes more of the burden onto private sector capital. (9:33) Why is that such an important distinction for investors? (10:34) We're already starting to see governments actively encourage private companies to become partners in rebuilding strategic capability. South Korea is probably the best example this week. (12:05) How do governments ensure the benefits are shared broadly across society, rather than simply accruing to a handful of companies and shareholders? (14:33) Maybe one way of getting that alignment is by having each of us invest in it via our superannuation fund. Do you think this debate eventually arrives here?

June 16, 202617 min

Perspectives: Episode 130 – The holiday from history is over

In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, explores why the world is shifting from efficiency to resilience. Drawing on insights from General David Petraeus, the discussion examines how nations are rebuilding strategic capability, why private capital is increasingly funding critical infrastructure, and what the rise of the Sovereignty Trade means for investors. (0:56) For years investors thought of geopolitics and technology as separate conversations. (2:33) What changed? Why are governments suddenly prepared to sacrifice efficiency in favour of resilience? (5:48) Why does the pursuit of resilience inevitably lead governments back to infrastructure? (6:52) And artificial intelligence is the most recent example of that? (8:24) We've talked about AI as infrastructure. You have spoken to clients about an interesting example in the health sector. (10:59) So, if resilience requires infrastructure, and infrastructure requires investment, are we witnessing the beginning of a new capital cycle? (12:07) Another difference this time around is that many of these infrastructure projects aren't being funded by governments – they're increasingly being funded by private capital. (13:25) Is SpaceX the ultimate example of the Sovereignty Trade? (15:27) If you had to leave listeners with one final thought?

June 15, 202631 min

Perspectives: Fund Manager Interview with Paul Moore from PM Capital

In this episode, Escala Investment Analyst, David Bruty interviews Paul Moore, founder and Chief Investment Officer of PM Capital. Paul discusses how he and his team implement their contrarian investment philosophy, how the PM Global Companies Fund is constructed, and how healthcare is an emerging theme in the fund's portfolio.

May 21, 202622 min

Perspectives: Episode 129 – AI Native: The Great Operating Model Reset

In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, unpacks a series of eye-opening conversations with leading AI investors and operators exploring how AI-native companies are redesigning workflows, reshaping industries, and blurring the lines between software, services, and private equity. (1:34) What struck me reading through your notes wasn't just the excitement around AI – it was that people are starting to describe AI not as a tool anymore, but as an operating system. (4:21) One thing that also came through very strongly in these conversations was the gap between Australia and the US in terms of AI adoption. (6:53) You also seemed genuinely shocked by how far behind wealth management still is. (7:24) It amazes us that we still don't receive information like tax reporting any faster than we did 10 years ago. The pipes need fixing. (8:36) Now, the General Catalyst discussion really went to another level because they're not just investing in AI software companies anymore – they're buying industries. (10:08) The call centre example was extraordinary. (11:22) The healthcare discussion may have been the most radical of all – because they literally bought a healthcare system. (13:03) Then you move to Bain Capital Ventures, and the discussion becomes incredibly technical. (16:23) Bain also raised a really important point: if everyone can build with AI, what becomes defensible? (17:34) There was another huge theme across all these discussions – services businesses becoming software businesses. (18:56) There was also a very strong undercurrent around private markets becoming even more important. (20:17) So, after hearing all of this, what do you think the biggest takeaway is?

May 11, 202618 min

Perspectives: Episode 128 – Dispatches from the US

In this episode of Perspectives, Escala Chief Investment Officer, Tracey McNaughton, takes us inside the Milken Institute Global Conference 2026, from space-based AI breakthroughs to the massive infrastructure buildout powering the next wave of innovation. (1:09) Alright, you've been roaming the halls at Milken earlier this week. Before we get into that, tell us about how it feels on the ground in the US right now. (3:27) You mentioned before you left that there were over 300 sessions across two hotels – the Beverly Wilshire and the Beverly Hilton. (5:03 How did he arrive at creating this conference, which has been running annually for almost 30 years. (5:45) What's the underlying theme this year – if you had to distil it? (6:52) What would you say was the most eye-popping session you went to? (7:51) Okay, let's talk specifics: what actually happened that got your attention? (8:37) So, a supercomputer that was able to learn in space was the breakthrough. What did it learn? (9:21) Sounds like he could be another Sam Altman. What does this do for the space industry? (10:40) Where does this hit us day-to-day? (12:13) Judging by the photos you sent back to us, I'm guessing the most exciting session for you was the one where Jensen Huang, CEO of Nvidia, was being interviewed. (13:58) Did the issue of job destruction come up? (15:14) So, again, it comes back to that distinction between automating tasks and eliminating entire roles? (15:50) What about the next constraint in the system? (16:28) And just finally, stepping back from all of that, what's the main idea he leaves you with?

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