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The Nielsen Norman Group (NN/G) UX Podcast is a podcast on user experience research, design, strategy, and professions, hosted by Senior User Experience Specialist Therese Fessenden. Join us every month as she interviews industry experts, covering common questions, hot takes on pressing UX topics, and tips for building truly great user experiences. For free UX resources, references, and information on UX Certification opportunities, go to: www.nngroup.com

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May 26, 2026Episode 6137 min

Incorruptible: How Great Companies Stay Great with Eric Ries

Most UX practitioners have spent their careers fighting for the user — pushing back against dark patterns, advocating for quality, and insisting that making things better for people is also better for the business. Eric Ries would say that instinct is exactly right. And that it's not enough.In this episode, host Laura Klein talks with Eric Ries — New York Times Best Selling Author of The Lean Startup and founder of the Long Term Stock Exchange — about his new book, Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad...and How Great Companies Stay Great. Eric makes the case that most of today's business best practices are actively value-destroying, and that the builders, designers, and makers who already believe product quality matters are more revolutionary than they realize — they just lack the tools to protect that belief inside their organizations.They dig into the history of shareholder primacy, why corporate governance is something every practitioner should understand, and the very specific questions you can ask in a job interview to find out whether a company is genuinely mission-driven or just mission-hopeful.About Eric Ries | LinkedinThe Eric Ries ShowIncorruptible (New Book) - Available Now!The Lean Start Up (Book)Related NN/G Articles & VideosUX Stakeholder Engagement 101Deceptive Patterns in UX: How to Recognize and Avoid ThemFour Factors in UX MaturityUX Maturity Is a Living System, Not a LadderUXers Need to Think Like Product LeadersTry One of Our Courses→ Becoming a UX Strategist (Live Online)→ Successful Stakeholder Relationships (Live Online)→ Lean UX and Agile (Live Online)→ Demonstrating UX Value (Self-Paced)→ UX Maturity: Elevating Organizational UX Practices (Self-Paced)Don’t forget to like and subscribe! ❤️Follow Us On:NewsletterInstagramThreadsLinkedinBlueskyX📹 Post-production byTiago Pedro (Design Assistant)Megan Brown (Social Media Lead)

April 29, 2026Episode 6045 min

60. Conversational Design and UI: Why Language Matters More Than Ever

What does it actually mean to design conversationally? Not "add a chatbot" — but genuinely apply the principles of human conversation to the systems we build?In this episode, host Laura Klein sits down with Erika Hall, author of Conversational Design and Just Enough Research, to re-visit a topic that's only gotten more relevant since her book came out in 2018. They dig into why language has always been an important part of any interface, what the cooperative principle of conversation can teach us about interaction design, and how the current AI moment is muddying what "conversational" even means.Erika also makes a sharp distinction between AI that solves real problems and AI that performs work — and offers a theory about why so many people are reaching for answer machines right now. Plus: why the best consulting advice is often just "you have to talk to each other," the role of domain expertise in getting anything useful out of an LLM, and what painting chickens has to do with learning to see.About Erika Hall | LinkedIn | BlueskyHer Studio - Mule DesignConversational DesignJust Enough ResearchRelated NN/G Articles:AI Chatbots Discourage Error CheckingDesigning AI Products and Features: Study GuideSycophancy in Generative-AI ChatbotsAI Features Must Solve Real User ProblemsTry One of Our Courses→ Designing AI Experiences (Live Online)→ The Human Mind and Usability (Live Online)→ Understanding LLMs (Self-Paced)→ Informative Microcopy (Self-Paced)Don’t forget to like and subscribe! ❤️Follow Us On:NewsletterInstagramThreadsLinkedin📹 Post-production byTiago Pedro (Design Assistant)Megan Brown (Social Media Lead)TYXU5WMUAXAS8GTC

April 1, 2026Episode 5937 min

59. Getting Hired in UX: What to Do When Apply-and-Wait Isn't Enough

Navigating the UX job market has always had its ups and downs, especially with AI reshaping the industry. In this episode, host Laura Klein sits down with Evan Sunwall, NN/G's Director of Self-Paced Training, to share candid advice for UX practitioners trying to actively job search or level up in today's competitive market. With nearly 19 years in the field as both a designer and a hiring manager, he has a lot to say about where the field is headed — no matter what stage you're at in your career.That experience is also what shaped Evan's self-paced course on getting a job in UX, part of NN/G's new and growing library of practical, pre-recorded courses built around real skill gaps. Evan was one of the first to help develop the format — running experiments and prototypes to figure out what actually works for self-directed learners.Evan also previews a companion course aimed at hiring managers and shares that he's looking for sharp instructors to help expand the library into new topics across research, design, and AI.Check out our NEW Self-Paced Courses!About Evan Sunwall | Bio | LinkedinSuccessful UX Job Searching (Course)Hiring UX Talent (Course)Free NN/G Articles:How to Apply and Secure a UX JobAdvice for Approaching a UX Job SearchTemplates and Tools for UX Job SeekersPreparation Tactics for a Tough UX Job MarketGrowing in Your UX Career: Study GuideDon’t forget to like and subscribe! ❤️Follow Us On:NewsletterInstagramThreadsLinkedinBlueskyX📹 Post-production byTiago Pedro (Design Assistant)Megan Brown (Social Media Lead)TYXU5WMUAXAS8GTC

February 25, 2026Episode 5842 min

58. The Truth About Lean & Agile (Feat. Principal Experience Specialist, Laura Klein)

If you work in UX, you’ve probably heard the terms lean, Agile, and MVP more times than you can count. But knowing the terms doesn’t mean knowing how to make them work. In this episode, Laura Klein, Principal Experience Specialist at NN/G, joins Therese Fessenden to talk about what Lean UX was really meant to accomplish — and how teams today can apply its principles without falling into common traps.Listen as they discuss how Lean UX came about, the skill of zooming between product vision and interaction details, and why growing companies struggle to balance speed and consistency. Whether you’re working at a startup or inside a large enterprise, this episode offers a grounded look at how to design thoughtfully in fast-moving environments.We’re also excited to have Laura join as the newest co-host of the NN/G UX Podcast. And many congratulations to the Fessenden family as they welcome a new addition to their family.About Laura Klein | Bio | Linkedin | Bluesky | Usersknow.comWhat is Wrong With UX (Podcast)Build Better Products (Book)UX for Lean Startups (Book)NN/G Live Online Courses Taught by LauraLean UX and AgileProduct & UX: Building Partnerships for Better OutcomesAll Our Live CoursesFree NN/G Articles & VideosLean UX & Agile: Study GuideLean UX & Agile GlossaryWhat is Lean UX?Accounting for User Research in AgileWhy Organizations Don’t Do User Research and How to Change ThatWhy Most Product Teams Aren't Really EmpoweredDon’t forget to like and subscribe! ❤️Follow Us On:NewsletterInstagramThreadsLinkedinBlueskyX📹 Post-production byTiago Pedro (Design Assistant)Megan Brown (Social Media Lead)TYXU5WMUAXAS8GTC

January 28, 2026Episode 5749 min

57. The Next Decade of UX: Why Psychology Matters More Than Ever (Feat. Thomas Watkins, Founder & Principal UX Architect at 3Leaf)

Therese Fessenden talks with design psychologist and product strategist Thomas Watkins (host of The Design Psychologist and Product-Led Growth Leaders) about why understanding the human mind is still a true superpower for designers, researchers, and product teams. They explore how products subtly shape our behavior and identity, why over-relying on templates and patterns can flatten experiences instead of differentiating them, the risks of personifying AI tools, and the practical ways practitioners can use psychology and AI together to automate the tedious parts of work while staying human-centered and creating products that truly fit into people’s lives.About Thomas Watkins: Bio | LinkedInThe Design Psychologist PodcastProduct-Led Growth Leaders Podcast3Leaf Consulting (Thomas’ Design Team)Related Live Online Training: The Human Mind & UsabilityFree NN/g Study Guides & Articles:Psychology Study GuideHumanizing AI Is a TrapThe ELIZA Effect: Why We Love AIThe 4 Degrees of Anthropomorphism of Generative AI

December 19, 2025Episode 561 hr 5 min

56. AI for UX Analysis: How Accurate Is It? (feat. Christian Holst & Jamie Holst, Baymard Institute)

As AI-powered tools flood the market promising quick evaluations and audits, the conversation zeroes in on a critical issue: the reliability of these tools. In this episode, co-hosts Therese Fessenden and NN/G VP Kate Moran sit down with Jamie Holst and Christian Holst, the co-founders of Baymard Institute, to examine the growing role of AI in UX analysis. The group discusses the risks of over-relying on AI—particularly for junior UX practitioners—and the deeper implications for professionalism in the field.About the speakers:Christian Holst (Co-founder & Research Director, Baymard Institute)Jamie Holst (Co-founder & CTO, Baymard Institute)Kate Moran (VP, NN/G)Links Referenced in the Episode:Try UX Ray for Free: https://baymard.com/product/ux-rayRead their article on AI accuracy: https://baymard.com/blog/ai-heuristic-evaluationsRelated NN/G Courses:Accelerating Research with AIAI for Design WorkflowsDesigning AI ExperiencesAI Product StrategyCheck out ALL of our courses at nngroup.com/learningRelated NN/G Articles:AI Hallucinations: What Designers Need to KnowAI-Powered Tools for UX Research: Issues and LimitationsAI as a UX AssistantAI Chatbots Discourage Error Checking

December 1, 2025Episode 5537 min

55. Democratizing Research in the Age of AI (feat. Ned Dwyer, CEO & Co-founder of Great Question)

The interest in “customer insights” is higher than ever, and more people are interested in both research insights and carrying out research on their own. But, who’s making sure research is done well? Therese sits down with Ned Dwyer, CEO and co-founder of Great Question, to talk about the balance between access and rigor in UX research. They discuss the need for democratization charters, how AI is reshaping research roles, and why enabling good research at scale is as much a cultural challenge as it is a technical one.Connect with Ned Dwyer: LinkedInLearn more about Great QuestionSubscribe to Great Question’s NewsletterLearn about UX: nngroup.com/learningRelated NN/g Courses & Articles:ResearchOps: Scaling User Research (UX Certification course)Democratize Research in 5 Steps (free article)Democratization of UX (13-min video)

October 24, 2025Episode 5434 min

54. Designing for Millions of Users (feat. Jay Dutta, Global Head of UX, Deutsche Bank)

In this episode, Therese interviews Jay Dutta—Global Head of UX at Deutsche Bank about how designing at scale isn’t just about reaching millions, but about preserving depth: of empathy, culture, and context. With a career spanning Adobe, Flipkart, and MakeMyTrip, Jay reflects on why he’s drawn to complex, broken systems and how those environments offer the richest opportunities for impact. He discusses the importance of designing for the individual within vast systems, and how storytelling, risk-taking, and honoring human experiences can lead to more meaningful and scalable design solutions.About the speaker: JayDutta.com | LinkedInDesignUp Conference (Bangalore, India - Nov 3-5, 2025 ): https://designup.io/Related NN/G Course: Global UX: Designing and Leading Across Cultures (full-day & half-day courses)Related Free NN/G Articles:‘Our Users Are Everyone’: Designing Mass-Market Products for Large User Audiences (free article)Modify Your Design for Global Audiences: Crosscultural UX Design (free article)Imagery Helps International Shoppers Navigate Ecommerce Sites (free article)

September 26, 2025Episode 5350 min

53. Why You're Not Getting Job Interviews (feat. Hang Xu, Design Recruiter)

What does it really take to get hired in design today? In this episode, design recruiter and former product designer Hang Xu shares hard truths about what’s changed in hiring, why portfolios miss the mark, and how candidates can better align with what employers actually want. He also talks about his bold new project, OnlyFAANGs.design, where he documents his journey back into design from the recruiter’s seat.About Hang Xu: LinkedIn | OnlyFAANGs.designLevel Up Your UX Career with UX Certification: nngroup.com/learningRelated Free NN/G Resources:Templates and Tools for UX Job Seekers (article)How to Apply & Secure a UX Job (article)The Return of the UX Generalist (article)How to Get UX Experience Without a Job (video)User Experience Careers Report (free report)More articles & videos about UX careers

July 18, 2025Episode 5246 min

52. Rethinking Users as Ecosystems (feat. authors Mike Youngblood and Ben Chesluk)

Who do we really mean when we say “the user”? And who gets left out?In this episode, Therese Fessenden chats with cultural anthropologists Mike Youngblood and Ben Chesluk, who are challenging overly narrow definitions of users in UX. They explore how systems thinking and anthropology can deepen our understanding of complex user ecosystems — and why rethinking “the user” is more important than ever.About the speakers:Mike Youngblood (LinkedIn)Ben Chesluk (LinkedIn)About Rethinking Users, including some helpful resources and a link to purchase the book:https://www.rethinkingusers.comArticle about User Ecosystem Thinking:https://www.epicpeople.org/toward-ethnography-of-friction-and-ease-in-complex-systemsMike & Ben’s other books:The Routledge Companion to Practicing Anthropology and Design, which includes Mike & Ben’s chapter on systems thinking in design anthropology, as well as many other chapters/contributors exploring the role of anthropology in design:Ben’s book Money Jungle is an anthropological study of the redevelopment of New York City’s Times Square.Mike’s book Cultivating Community is an ethnographic study of a massive, grassroots social movement in rural India.Related NN/g Articles & Videos:Personas vs. Archetypes (article)Why Personas Fail (article)Ethnography in UX (3-min video)Contextual Inquiry: Inspire Design by Observing and Interviewing Users in Their Context (article)