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Cookies are going away, Apple is limiting the data you can collect, and privacy regulations are making it difficult to target and measure the way we used to. If you're a marketer or analysts wondering how to measure your campaigns' performance, we're here to help you! Join Jim Gianoglio and Simon Poulton on the Measuring Up podcast, where they talk to marketers, analysts, and founders who are in the trenches of this new measurement world. You'll learn the best practices, tips, and actionable advice from people who've been in your shoes.

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June 3, 2026Episode 4254 min

Agentic MMM with Dr. Luca Fiaschi (PyMC Labs)

There's often a "human API" bottleneck when implementing marketing mix models in a business. What if AI agents could help?That's what we talked about with Dr. Luca Fiaschi, partner at PyMC Labs. Find out how agents can support the full MMM chain - data consolidation and validation, model building with priors and business knowledge, deployment and retraining pipelines, and interactive Q&A for scenario planning - shifting data scientists toward designing agent workflows and guardrails rather than manual iteration. Learn how Skills files can improve coding-agent correctness, token-cost and vendor lock-in concerns. And find out what PyMC Labs is cooking up with their open-source “Decision AI” stack (Decision Hub, Decision Lab, Decision Lens).Links from the show:Decision AI Discord Serverdiscourse.pymc.io00:00 Cold Open and Agents Joke01:17 Meet Dr Luca Fiaschi03:51 What Is Agentic MMM06:11 Agents Across MMM Workflow09:16 Do We Still Need Data Scientists17:44 Skills vs Vanilla Coding Agents25:27 Guardrails, Hard Checks and R-hat28:50 Token Costs and Business Value33:05 PyMC Labs Open Source Strategy36:46 Decision AI Stack and Lens Demo40:11 Agent to Agent Media Buying45:34 Future Foundational MMM Models49:31 Wrap Up Tips and Community

April 15, 2026Episode 4132 min

Live @ MeasureCamp New York! Synthetic Data in Marketing with Winston Li & T.S. Kelly

While this episode is real, the content is all made up... or more accurately, it's about data that is made up. Synthetic data. A term that's popping up more and more regularly in marketing and measurement conversations.Listen to Winston Li (Founder @ Arima) and T.S. Kelly (Managing Director, US @ Arima) as they describe the 5 Ws (and H) of synthetic data, along with some great examples and use cases of how they answered some valuable questions for Coca-Cola and other companies.This episode was recorded live in front of a studio audience at MeasureCamp New York.00:00 Simon Missing Intro00:50 Guests And Donuts02:17 What Is Synthetic Data03:53 Related Terms Confusion05:20 Who Uses Synthetic Data06:51 How To Create It09:55 Data Sources & Legal11:50 PII Free Probabilistic Joins13:39 Validation & Trust17:09 Marketing Use Cases18:18 Coca-Cola Vending Simulation23:39 Where Synthetic Data Goes Next25:50 Audience Questions Lightning Round32:00 Wrap Up

March 4, 2026Episode 4051 min

Google Analytics Alternatives with Jason Packer

Google officially retired its workhorse analytics platform, affectionately known as Universal Analytics, almost 3 years ago. Since then, people have started to learn about other platforms as they scrambled to find something more useful than GA4.Jason Packer wrote the book on Google Analytics alternatives (literally, it's titled "Google Analytics Alternatives: A Guide to Navigating the World if Options Beyond Google").Here's what we think of the analytics landscape - how we got here, and what's coming next.Links from the show:(eBook) Google Analytics Alternatives(paperback) Google Analytics Alternatives01:29 Universal Analytics Sunset02:31 Meet Jason Packer05:53 Jasons Early Web Days10:20 Why Analytics Matters13:05 Fragmentation vs Consolidation17:22 GA4 as Ads Companion21:13 Googles Motives23:50 GA4 Pain Points24:32 Why Users Are Leaving26:51 Privacy Compliance Pressure29:33 Top GA4 Alternatives30:15 Simplified Analytics Tools32:06 Product Analytics Picks35:38 Comprehensive Web Platforms36:42 Future of Analytics AI42:23 MCP, LLMs and Trust49:49 Closing Insight and Wrap

December 19, 2025Episode 3956 min

Marketing Mix Madness: Challenges & Realities of MMM, with Henry Innis

We needed some help regulating and validating our podcast (and models), so we invited Henry Innis - Co-Founder of Mutinex - to help out.Listen in to this lovely chat about the quirky differences between the American and Australian markets, challenges and realities of MMM, and the future of media measurement and regulation. Buckle up for the hot takes.00:00 Casual Catch-Up and Thanksgiving Stories01:08 Topic Introduction - Marketing Mix Modeling01:34 Guest Introduction and Background03:00 Differences in Marketing Practices: US vs Australia06:27 Innovative Applications and Hackathon Projects09:51 Marketers and Money Conference Overview13:32 Challenges and Realities of Marketing Mix Modeling16:36 Campaign Varying Model and Its Impact24:30 Future of Media Measurement and Regulation28:09 Introduction to Industry Insights28:33 Integrating Work's Knowledge into Mate30:02 The Role of MMM in Marketing32:53 Challenges in Data-Driven Decision Making34:48 Partnering with WARC for Effectiveness35:53 Common Questions Asked to MAITE38:34 Validating Outputs and Handling Errors49:33 Open MMM Validation Framework54:40 The Impact of Google and Meta on MMM55:22 Conclusion and Future Discussions

November 12, 2025Episode 3850 min

Driving Business Growth through Experimentation - with Kelly Wortham & Ton Wesseling

Version A: Join Simon and Jim as they babble about button colors while the experts tell them what really matters in experimentation.Version B: Have you ever wondered what makes for a great experimentation culture?(Let us know in the comments which version you prefer!)We were lucky to talk with Kelly Worthham and Ton Wesseling, both experts in decision science and experimentation.We cover the transition from traditional conversion rate optimization (CRO) to broader growth engineering, organizational transformation for better decision-making, and the impact of AI on experimentation.Discover how conferences like Experimentation Island and Conversion Hotel foster deep, meaningful conversations and collaborations within the community.Links from the show:The Conference known as Conversion HotelThe Conference known as Experimentation IslandTest & Learn CommunityNo Hacks PodcastExperimentation Culture Awards00:00 Introduction and Casual Banter00:52 Halloween Candy Stories02:27 Introducing the Special Guests02:41 Kelly Worthham's Background03:58 Todd's Background and Contributions05:18 Experimentation Island Conference13:57 Conversion Optimization vs. Growth Optimization25:07 The Risk of Imitating Big Brands25:22 Helping Businesses Make Data-Driven Decisions27:02 Building Effective Experimentation Processes30:22 Challenges in Replicability and Experimentation34:54 The Role of AI in Experimentation40:52 Future of Experimentation and AI48:32 Concluding Thoughts and Recommendations

August 27, 2025Episode 3745 min

Retail Media Networks: Measurement Challenges & Opportunities with Skye Frontier

Ever wonder how Walmart, Kroger, Home Depot, and Instacart are different from a guy in a trench coat? They ask for consent before exposure! Join Simon and Jim as they dive into the often misunderstood world of retail media networks with Sky Frontier, EVP at Incremental.Discover why retail media is the Wild West of advertising, how it's moving up the funnel, and the unique challenges it poses. Learn about Sky's journey from philosophy to advertising, and why your branded search strategy might need a rethink. Plus, we tackle Amazon's recent Google Shopping mystery – did they just pull off the greatest experiment of all time?Links from the show:Skye Frontier on LinkedInIncrementalShow Notes:00:00 Welcome Back and Summer Catch-Up00:34 AI Measurement Solutions and Future Prospects01:10 Retail Media Networks: An Introduction02:21 Guest Introduction: Sky Frontier04:15 Defining Retail Media Networks06:46 Challenges in Retail Media Measurement14:12 Incrementality in Retail Media18:42 Operational Challenges and Clean Rooms22:55 Challenges in Retail Media Experimentation23:41 Econometrics and Granularity in Retail Media25:18 Synthetic Experimentation and Difference-in-Differences Analysis28:30 Future Trends in Retail Media32:28 Amazon's Strategic Shift in Advertising41:55 Concluding Thoughts on Retail Media Measurement

June 25, 2025Episode 3649 min

Decoding the Future of SEO (Measurement) with Mike King

Should you measure SEO by its ability to climb a tree? Hear Mike King's take on all things SEO - how AI is disrupting the space, and how measurement is (or should be) changing for this channel.Mike King is the founder and CEO of digital marketing agency iPullRank. King's journey from battle rapping with the Wu-Tang Clan to decoding Google's algorithms lays the foundation for a spirited discussion on the future of SEO, the impact of AI on search behavior, and innovative measurement techniques.Listen as we explore the shift from traditional click-based metrics to more complex, probabilistic methods driven by AI. Learn how SEO is adapting to changes in user behavior, including the rise of AI overviews and the challenges of measuring their impact.Plus, don't miss King's tips on leveraging advanced tools and strategies to stay ahead in the ever-changing SEO landscape.Links from the episode:Mike King on LinkedIniPullRankQforiaShow Notes:00:00 Introduction to Mike King00:23 Mike King's Early Career and Achievements00:38 Transition to Digital Marketing01:08 Future of SEO and Measurement Challenges01:51 Understanding SEO Metrics04:36 Google's AI Overviews and User Behavior05:21 SEO as a Brand Channel07:45 Challenges in Measuring SEO Effectiveness09:21 Impact of AI on SEO Traffic11:49 Evolving SEO Measurement Techniques18:22 Tools and Strategies for SEO Measurement25:07 Understanding Query Fan Out and Reasoning in SEO28:42 Client Education and Shifts in Search Behavior32:57 Improving Relevance and Content Structure36:04 Measuring SEO Performance and Authoritativeness43:25 Sentiment Analysis and Query Fan Out46:03 Reframing SEO for Better Investment48:41 Final Thoughts and Incremental Insights

June 11, 2025Episode 3548 min

Where is Google Headed with Measurement?

Google Marketing Live 2023: Key Announcements, AI in Search, and the Future of MeasurementSimon and Jim unpack the highlights of Google Marketing Live 2025. Fresh from the conference, Simon "delves" (yes, AI was a big part) into key announcements, including AI in Search, AI Max for Search, VEO advancements, and measurement challenges.They discuss the excitement around AI mode, scenario planning in Google Analytics, and the evolving landscape of Marketing Mix Modeling (MMM).Additionally, they touch on insights from Google's new tools and partnerships, underscoring a shift towards more integrated and accessible marketing strategies.▶️ Watch on YouTube00:00 Introduction and Casual Banter00:15 Google Marketing Live Highlights01:23 Shaq and T-Pain at GML03:19 Measurement Announcements at GML05:13 Incrementality Testing13:01 Google Analytics and Attribution20:44 Meridian Scenario Planning25:21 Making MMM Accessible: A Double-Edged Sword25:57 The Complexity of Tagging and MMM28:14 Validation and the Dangers of Simplification32:11 AI's Role in MMM and Marketing37:48 Google Marketing Live: Key Announcements38:53 The Future of AI in Search and Advertising42:42 VEO and the Evolution of Creative Development47:37 Final Thoughts and Community Engagement

May 14, 2025Episode 3450 min

Plot your next move: From web dev to CRO to SaaS founder, with Sani Manić

Are you wondering what to do next in your career? Is AI going to leave you living in a van, down by the river? What paths have others taken through this crazy measurement industry we're in?Let's learn from a sample of 1: Sani Manić - who has gone from web dev to CRO to co-founder of a SaaS company. Find out how he transitioned across various web development and CRO roles and how decided what to do next. ▶️ Watch on YouTubeLinks from the show:Sani Manić on LinkedInPodpacerCohesioBook - Can't Hurt Me (David Goggins)The School of Greatness podcast (ep. with Leila Hormozi)Show Notes:00:00 Introduction and Friendly Banter01:33 Career Backgrounds and Education01:57 Career Progression and AI Impact02:58 Guest Introduction and Career Journey06:08 WordPress Beginnings11:57 Transition to Marketing and SEO13:21 Bridging the Gap Between Teams19:36 Challenges in CRO and Statistics23:16 AI and Best Practices in Website Optimization23:59 The Future of Hyper-Personalized Experiences26:38 The Problem with Historical Data in CRO28:11 Universal Experiences vs. Individual Optimization31:53 The Journey to Becoming a Founder34:15 Building Tools to Solve Real Problems38:04 Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs39:16 The Importance of Focus and Small Steps48:09 Incremental Insights and Recommendations

April 24, 2025Episode 3337 min

Live from MeasureCamp New York!

Is MMM the right solution for your company?With seasoned professionals Gabriel Franco (Founder of Cassandra) and TS Kelly (Managing Director at Arima), we go deep into the world of Marketing Mix Modeling (MMM).What does the adoption of MMM look like? What's the role of open-source tools like Meta's Robyn and Google's Meridian? When is MMM the NOT the right solution? What do MMM critics get wrong? And what's in store over the next few years for MMM?▶️ Watch on YouTube00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks00:34 Introduction to Marketing Mix Modeling00:55 Current Trends and Sponsors in Marketing Mix Modeling01:36 Choosing the Right Marketing Mix Modeling Approach02:55 Consultant vs. In-House vs. Open Source04:17 Challenges and Success Stories in Marketing Mix Modeling08:31 Adoption and Education in Marketing Mix Modeling23:20 Future of Marketing Mix Modeling30:18 Audience Q&A37:10 Conclusion and Closing Remarks