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Aug 2026

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Welcome to our cutting-edge podcast where we chat with some of the most innovative and forward-thinking entrepreneurs in the commercial real estate world. From brokers and developers to startup founders and investors, we dive deep into the stories behind their successes, and explore the latest trends in the industry. Our guests don't just talk shop. We're all about bringing the realness, and we're not afraid to chop it up on different topics relating to life and business. If you're an entrepreneur looking to disrupt the status quo, or a commercial real estate professional looking for inspiration and fresh perspectives, this is the podcast for you. Our guests share their insights, challenges, and victories, and offer practical tips for navigating the world of commercial real estate. So whether you're a seasoned pro or just starting out, join us as we explore the dynamic world of entrepreneurship in commercial real estate, and discover the cutting-edge strategies and innovations that are transforming the industry.

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August 25, 2026Episode 3147 min

GRAND RAPIDS GOLD’S STEVE JBARA BACK-TO-BACK NBA G LEAGUE EXECUTIVE OF THE YEAR

Join us for the wild ride of how an employee looking for a new opportunity, turned entrepreneur and became the owner and president of an NBA G League team the Grand Rapids Gold. Steve Jbara is an entrepreneur and the owner and president of the Grand Rapids Gold , the NBA G League affiliate of the Denver Nuggets. After starting his career in the automotive industry, Jbara took an unconventional leap into professional sports, purchasing a G League franchise in 2013 and bringing it to Grand Rapids. Under his leadership, the organization has become one of the league’s top-performing franchises, culminating in being named the 2025–26 NBA G League Franchise of the Year , while Jbara became the first executive in league history to win Executive of the Year three consecutive years . Beyond basketball, Jbara is an entrepreneur and investor with interests spanning advertising, technology, finance and other ventures.

March 30, 20261 hr 26 min

Sam Cummings – Turn Into the Torpedo

From where Grand Rapids was to where it’s going this episode dives into the evolution of the city through one of its most influential developers. Sam Cummings has spent nearly three decades preserving Grand Rapids’ history while reshaping its future. Often referred to as the city’s leading champion of urban real estate, Sam has revitalized some of the community’s most iconic and long-neglected buildings including pioneering the city’s first office-to-multifamily conversion. With a deep passion for history, art, and architecture, Sam approaches development as more than business it’s stewardship. He continues driving new vision, vibrancy, and vitality into the urban core. This conversation explores legacy, risk, long-term conviction, and what it truly takes to “turn into the torpedo” when betting on a city’s future.

January 20, 2026Episode 301 hr 6 min

The one and only executive Director of CARWM Shari Feldman

In this episode, we sit down with the one and only Shari Feldman, celebrating 20 years as Executive Director of Commercial Alliance of Realtors West Michigan (CARWM). Shari shares her journey, her leadership philosophy, and how CARWM has evolved into one of the most influential commercial real estate organizations in the country. We dive into market trends, the power of collaboration, and what’s next for brokers, developers, and the West Michigan CRE community. Insightful, candid, and full of perspective—this is a must-listen conversation with a true industry leader.

January 5, 2026Episode 291 hr 24 min

The state of Kalamazoo CRE

Join T.J. Ward and Andrew Gyorkos of Kalamazoo Commercial Real Estate for a focused conversation on Southwest Michigan’s commercial market. With deep experience in brokerage, leasing, investment, and development, they share practical insights on deal structuring, market trends, and what investors and business owners need to know to succeed in today’s environment.

December 13, 2025Episode 281 hr 27 min

Inside the Franchise Playbook with Charlie Lerg – From Subway to Game Day Health

In this episode, we sit down with multi-unit franchisee Charlie Lerg to explore the real-world journey of owning and operating national and regional brands—including Subway, Game Day Health, and Detroit Wing Company. Charlie unpacks the challenges and rewards of running a diverse franchise portfolio, what it takes to scale, how to manage brand expectations, and why local execution still matters most. If you're curious about franchising, business growth, or just love wings and game day vibes, this one’s for you.

July 1, 20251 hr 25 min

Richard App Downtown GR Inc.

In this episode, we sit down with Richard App from Downtown Grand Rapids Inc. to talk about the evolution of downtown GR, current initiatives shaping the city’s future, and how public-private collaboration is driving vibrant, growth. Whether you’re a local business owner, developer, or urban enthusiast, this conversation offers insight into what’s next for the heart of Grand Rapids.

May 13, 20251 hr 37 min

Tech Defense, Market Offense with Garry VonMyhr

In this episode, we sit down with Garry VonMyhr, CEO Founder of Tech Defenders, to trace his journey from humble beginnings to leading a fast growing tech company. Garry shares how he built a business at the his interest in real estate, and his take on the current economic landscape. Whether you're in tech, real estate, or just hungry for entrepreneurial wisdom, Garry offers sharp insights and candid reflections that will leave you inspired. Follow Garry on Linked in.

April 8, 20251 hr 20 min

The Future is Here with Angela Bono

The Future is Here with Angela Bono explores the intersection of commercial real estate and artificial intelligence. Hosted by Angela Bono of Bradley Companies, this podcast delves into how AI is transforming deal-making, market analysis, and client interactions. Join Angela as she shares real-world insights on how she integrates AI into her work and where the technology is headed in the industry. Whether you're a real estate professional or just curious about the future of AI, this podcast will keep you ahead of the curve!

January 7, 2025Episode 231 hr 42 min

From the Dutch Mothership to Grand Rapids: Marcel Burgler’s Journey

Join us as we dive into the fascinating journey of Marcel Burgler, a developer and commercial real estate broker specializing in multifamily projects. From his roots in Holland to his transformative work in Grand Rapids, Marcel shares his story of navigating new opportunities, building thriving communities, and shaping the real estate landscape. Discover how his international perspective and passion for development have fueled his success in Michigan and beyond.

August 20, 2024Episode 221 hr 23 min

Banking on your Future: Insights with Brian Klaver, Chief Lending Officer, United Bank of WM

In this episode of "The Chris and Max Show," we sit down with Brian Klaver, Chief Lending Officer at United Bank of Michigan. Join us as we dive into the latest trends in lending, the challenges facing the banking industry, and Brian’s insights on how to navigate the current economic landscape. Whether you're a financial professional or just curious about the world of banking, this episode is packed with valuable information you won’t want to miss!