Leverage for Growth Podcast

Hosted by Jesse P. Gilmore & Niche in Control

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Leverage for Growth helps marketing agency owners stop being the bottleneck and build a founder-independent business. Founder dependency is the symptom. Missing leverage is the cause. Founder independence is the outcome. Each episode, host Jesse Gilmore walks through a documented agency transformation so that you can see exactly how owners doubled revenue, cut their hours, and built systems that run without them. Every story maps to one of the three pillars of the Leverage for Growth method: a Scalable Agency, Consistent Revenue, and an Empowered Team. If you cannot step away without things falling apart, this show is your way out.

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September 1, 202633 min

The Rebrand That Transformed Two Businesses W/ Shari Gannon

Shari Gannon has spent over a decade running brand projects, and the most challenging one she has ever led was rebranding the company that coaches her own company: Niche in Control. Shari, founder and creative director of Krave Branding, walks Jesse Gilmore through what it took to run the largest, fastest-timeline, multi-team rebrand of her career, a project where she was not the boss but the brand guardian, steering a hand-picked roster of outside agencies toward one coherent story. She and Jesse trace it from the first brand clarity session and the "beacon" idea that surfaced his real why, through a 200-page migration off WordPress, to the mid-project pivot when the whole site had to shift around the idea of leverage. Then the conversation turns to Shari's side of the table: going through this build alongside her own clients led her to redefine Krave's offer around the part of the work she is genuinely wired for, drawing out the story and building the brand identity around it. Ready to stop being the bottleneck in your own agency? The Scalable Agency Accelerator is where that work starts: https://nicheincontrol.com/services/scalable-agency-accelerator KEY TAKEAWAYS: - A rebrand is a story problem first; the logo and the website are what the story produces - Leading a project you do not own means becoming the brand guardian, not the bottleneck - The same clarity work you run for clients will change your own offer if you let it - Structure and a clear lane for every expert is what lets a multi-agency team move fast TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Introduction 07:18 - Brand Clarity as a Three Selves Exercise 12:53 - Managing a Team You Did Not Assemble 18:14 - The Mid-Project Pivot to Leverage 21:28 - Shari's Own Transformation and New Offer 31:59 - Where to Connect LINKS & RESOURCES: - Shari Gannon, Krave Branding - https://kravebranding.com/ - Free Brand Gut Check - https://kravebranding.com/brand-gut-check - Shari on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/shari-gannon/ - Krave Branding on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@kravebranding - Mentioned on-air: the Three Selves, the brand clarity session, migrating to Ontraport, EOS - Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leverage-for-growth-podcast/id1670694709 - Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5324NQbv334J8G3PmG9uVA CONNECT: - Jesse Gilmore on LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore - Leverage for Growth - https://nicheincontrol.com/leverage-for-growth-podcast - Watch on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR9twFUjg-_sO6s4SHVOVdlvuLLZO0t5A

August 18, 202634 min

The Leverage You Need to Scale a Team of 3 Into 25 W/ Warren Thompson

Warren Thompson scaled Ollo Metrics from 3 people to 25 without ever changing the one-week offer he started with. Warren was Jesse Gilmore's first Leverage for Growth client, back in August 2020, when Ollo Metrics was a three-person shop doing about $15,000 a month. Post-COVID demand hit fast, and the thing that kept the business from breaking was not more leads. It was leverage: a time audit that pulled Warren out of sales and client delivery, one repeatable offer that made onboarding predictable, and a systems-thinking approach where every new tool has to earn a place in the value stream before it gets adopted. Ready to stop being the bottleneck in your own agency? The Scalable Agency Accelerator is where that work starts: https://nicheincontrol.com/services/scalable-agency-accelerator KEY TAKEAWAYS: - A single repeatable offer makes fulfillment predictable and keeps onboarding identical for every client - Buying back your time starts with a time audit and hiring out one role at a time - A new tool only earns a place when it fits an existing value stream, otherwise it adds chaos - SOPs document the process, training builds the person. They are not the same thing CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introduction 3:12 - The One-Week Offer That Never Changed 11:00 - Why Leverage Became the Positioning 13:33 - Value Stream Maps the Team Uses 18:06 - SOPs vs Training 26:51 - Weekends Back and Culture by Design 32:29 - What's Next for Ollo Metrics GUEST LINKS: Ollo Metrics: https://www.ollometrics.com/ Warren Thompson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/warrenthompson21 CONNECT: Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leverage-for-growth-podcast/id1670694709 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5324NQbv334J8G3PmG9uVA Jesse Gilmore on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore Leverage for Growth: https://nicheincontrol.com/leverage-for-growth-podcast Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR9twFUjg-_sO6s4SHVOVdlvuLLZO0t5A

August 4, 202637 min

Doubling a 20-Year Agency in 6 Months W/ Susan Fernandez

Stop being the bottleneck in your agency. Start with the Scalable Agency Accelerator: https://nicheincontrol.com/services/scalable-agency-accelerator Susan Fernandez gave Jesse Gilmore six months to turn her agency around or she was shutting it down. She did not shut it down. Susan was a niche-focused founder with competent people and a strong position in the built-environment market, and the business still could not function without her in every decision. As one of the first five proof-of-concept clients for the Leverage for Growth method, she got everything out of her head and into documented process, positioned herself around her unique ability, and let historical data cut the clutter, the moment she learned 91% of a service's work came from three options, she stopped offering the rest and no one complained. That structure at a small size is exactly what made her four-person agency an attractive merger target. Epiphany merged into UpSpring, where Susan is now SVP of Marketing in a 40-plus-person firm, still running the same playbook. TIMESTAMPS: 02:26 — The Problem Was Running the Business 10:51 — Letting Data Cut the Clutter 20:20 — How Structure Set Up the Merger 30:34 — Why the Real Shift Is Mindset LINKS: - Susan Fernandez Company — https://upspringpr.com - Susan on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanwalshfernandez/ CONNECT: - Jesse Gilmore on LinkedIn — https://linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore - Leverage for Growth — https://nicheincontrol.com/leverage-for-growth-podcast - Watch on YouTube — https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR9twFUjg-_sO6s4SHVOVdlvuLLZO0t5A

July 21, 202636 min

Why More Leads Won't Save Your Agency W/ Adam O'Leary

Stop being the bottleneck in your agency. Start with the Scalable Agency Accelerator: https://nicheincontrol.com/services/scalable-agency-accelerator The problem is not lead generation. It is what breaks when the leads actually show up. Adam O'Leary builds referral-partnership systems that drive consistent, high-quality clients to agencies, which means he sees the exact moment a business gets flooded and cannot keep up. In this conversation with Jesse Gilmore, the two pull apart why "just get more leads" is the wrong goal for most agencies, and what has to be true before you turn the demand on. It starts with the offer. Adam argues the offer is the first thing he looks at, more than anything else: it has to be simple for the team to deliver and fast enough to show a partner a result inside the first 30 days, because that result is what turns one referral into all of a partner's clients. Jesse connects that to founder dependency, the root cause that forces agencies into a stop-start cycle of switching marketing off every time they hit capacity. His fix is a delegation system that pulls the work out of the founder's head, plus an intense early time log that takes a 60-hour week down to 40, then 32, so the owner can finally breathe and think about vision. Then there is the analogy that anchors the episode: an agency is a submarine with a small crack on top. At three clients the crack is nothing. At twenty-five it splits the hull. The cracks do not appear when you scale, they were always there, scale just reveals them. Add a hyper-specific niche, the thing that makes the offer systematizable and the referrals predictable, and you have the structural picture of an agency that can take on more without turning marketing off. If you have ever shut off your pipeline because you got too busy, this episode is the diagnosis. TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 — Introduction 5:18 — Why the Offer Decides Everything 14:28 — Founder Dependency as Root Cause 28:36 — The Submarine Crack Analogy LINKS: Adam O'Leary, InspiredChats: https://inspiredchats.com Adam O'Leary, Scale with Partners: https://scalewithpartners.io Adam O'Leary on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamdoleary/ Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leverage-for-growth-podcast/id1670694709 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5324NQbv334J8G3PmG9uVA SUBSCRIBE for new episodes twice a month. CONNECT: Jesse Gilmore on LinkedIn — https://linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore

July 7, 202627 min

She Almost Shut Her Agency Down. Then Profit Hit an All-Time High. W/ Laura Williams

Stop being the bottleneck in your agency. Start with the Scalable Agency Accelerator: https://nicheincontrol.com/services/scalable-agency-accelerator Laura Williams almost closed InSync Media. Here is the structural turnaround that changed her mind. After years of six-figure months, InSync Media lost its two biggest clients in a single quarter and spent nearly two years just breaking even. Laura had handed so much of the business to other people that she could not vouch for the work, and by 2025 she was ready to shut it down. The shift was not a new marketing channel. It was taking the business back. In this conversation with Jesse Gilmore, Laura walks through the Three Selves work that finally gave her a vision for the future self she was building toward, and the becoming self doing the work in between. She talks through the hardest decision: letting go of a key hire of five years, then stepping into all of that work herself, terrified, and watching every account improve under her leadership. She rebuilt the broken processes, held the team to real accountability, and committed to LinkedIn outreach she hated, the same outreach that produced the connection that led to a speaking slot at the International Builders' Show and four new clients after a 15-month drought. Revenue today is less than half of the agency's COVID-era peak, and the profit margin, near 25%, is the best it has ever been. Laura makes the case that fulfillment and profit beat a vanity revenue number, and that an agency is a reflection of the owner's whole life, health, relationships, and all. If you are an agency owner quietly wondering whether it is worth keeping the doors open, this is the structural version of how someone answered that question. TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 — Introduction 5:14 — The Three Selves Framework 17:03 — One Connection, Four New Clients 24:23 — Key Takeaways LINKS: InSync Media — https://insync.media Laura Williams on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-williams-insync/ ABOUT LEVERAGE FOR GROWTH: Leverage for Growth is the show for established marketing agency owners who are tired of being the bottleneck in their own business. Host Jesse Gilmore, founder of Niche in Control, sits down with agency founders who built leverage through systems, documentation, and a sharper offer, and turned founder dependency into a business that runs without them. Every episode is a documented transformation with specific numbers, not a motivation talk. SUBSCRIBE for new episodes twice a month. CONNECT: Jesse Gilmore on LinkedIn — https://linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore Leverage for Growth — https://nicheincontrol.com/leverage-for-growth-podcast

June 23, 202621 min

The Offer Change That 3X'd His Agency Profit in Three Months With Robert Bradley

Ready to scale your agency without it running through you? The Scalable Agency Accelerator is a 14-day program to build the operating leverage that frees you from the day-to-day: https://nicheincontrol.com/services/scalable-agency-accelerator Robert Bradley set an 18-month profit goal and hit it in three. Here is the structural change that made it possible. Robert's agency, Korus GTM, was built on cold outbound and designed for scale, the well-trodden path that a lot of agencies copy. It worked, but it left him disconnected from clients and working through nights and weekends, the opposite of why he started the business. The turning point was not more leads. It was leverage: rebuilding the offer around his RevOps and go-to-market engineering background, the work he had real depth in, and pricing it to the value it created. In this conversation with Jesse Gilmore, Robert walks through how he mapped his core competencies to the problems mid-market buyers struggle with, reworked the offer using the Offer Triangle, and shifted his sales conversations from "we'll get you leads" to a strategic seat at the table with CROs and CMOs. That repositioning made him less replaceable, raised his retainers, and reduced churn. It also let him stay strategically involved with clients instead of pulling himself out entirely, the version of success that actually fit his life. The headline number: a 3X bottom-line gross profit target set for 18 months, reached in three, with his nights and weekends back. If you run an agency that grew on a copied model and no longer fits you, this episode shows what changes when you build the offer around your strengths and the leverage underneath it. TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 — Introduction 4:11 — Life Inside the Cold Outbound Model 8:45 — Mapping the Offer to Real Problems 16:26 — Takeaways for Agency Owners LINKS: Korus GTM — https://www.korusgtm.com/ Robert Bradley on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbradleyai/ ABOUT LEVERAGE FOR GROWTH: Leverage for Growth is the show for established marketing agency owners who are tired of being the bottleneck in their own business. Host Jesse Gilmore, founder of Niche in Control, sits down with agency founders who built leverage through systems, documentation, and a sharper offer, and turned founder dependency into a business that runs without them. Every episode is a documented transformation with specific numbers, not a motivation talk. SUBSCRIBE for new episodes twice a month. CONNECT: Jesse Gilmore on LinkedIn — https://linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore Leverage for Growth — https://nicheincontrol.com/leverage-for-growth-podcast

June 23, 20260 min

Relaunch Trailer

Start building leverage into your agency with the Scalable Agency Accelerator: https://nicheincontrol.com/services/scalable-agency-accelerator If you stopped working tomorrow, would your agency keep running? Leverage for Growth is the podcast for marketing agency owners who are done being the bottleneck in their own business. Host Jesse P. Gilmore is the founder of Niche in Control and has coached over 500 agencies to step out of the day to day and build companies that run without them. His premise is simple and structural: founder dependency is the symptom, missing leverage is the cause. The problem is rarely how hard you work. It is that none of the work builds leverage. Every episode walks through the exact methods agency owners use to build leverage and create freedom: charging what you are worth with systems that back up your value, documenting the processes trapped in your head, and stepping away from the business for a month and coming back to an agency that grew while you were gone. This is a systems-first show, diagnosis over motivation, with documented transformations and specific numbers on revenue, team size, and hours reclaimed. The Leverage for Growth method is built on three pillars, each a different type of leverage: Scalable Agency (operating leverage, so operations scale without scaling your hours), Consistent Revenue (pricing and acquisition leverage, so income becomes predictable without you), and Empowered Team (people leverage, so your team runs whole parts of the company without routing everything through you). If you have ever thought "I am the business" or "if I stop working, the business stops working," this show is built for you. Subscribe and start building the leverage that makes your agency founder-independent. ABOUT LEVERAGE FOR GROWTH: Leverage for Growth is a podcast for established marketing agency owners who want to scale without scaling their hours. Hosted by Jesse Gilmore of Niche in Control, each episode breaks down how agency founders build leverage through systems, documentation, and structural change, with real transformation stories and the specific numbers behind them. SUBSCRIBE for new episodes twice a month. CONNECT: Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leverage-for-growth-podcast/id1670694709 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5324NQbv334J8G3PmG9uVA?si=e91050526ede401a Jesse on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore Show website: https://nicheincontrol.com/leverage-for-growth-podcast YouTube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR9twFUjg-_sO6s4SHVOVdlvuLLZO0t5A

January 14, 202626 min

S3 / AL EP 78: Vince Quinn - Who Podcasting is Really For...And Who It Isn't

Most podcasts don't fail because of audio quality. They fail because they didn't have what was needed to succeed in the first place. In this episode of The Leverage for Growth Podcast, Jesse P. Gilmore sits down with Vince Quinn, co-founder of SBX Productions, to break down who podcasting actually works for, who it doesn't, and why so many business podcasts burn out fast. Vince shares his journey from corporate radio to building a podcast agency, the hard lessons learned from saying yes to the wrong clients, and why podcasting only works when there's a real business behind it. This conversation is for: • Agency owners • Coaches and consultants • B2B and service-based businesses • Founders who already know how to sell but want smarter marketing leverage In this episode, you'll learn: • Why most podcast advice leads to wasted time and burnout • The difference between entertainment podcasts and business podcasts • How podcasting functions as a business system, not just content • Why clarity in your offer determines podcast success • When podcasting accelerates revenue and when it's a distraction If you've ever wondered whether podcasting is worth your time, this episode will give you a clear answer.

November 19, 202518 min

S3 / AL EP 77: Eric Ritter - Delegation, Processes, & AI's Impact on Agencies

In this episode of Leverage for Growth, Jesse P. Gilmore sits down with Eric Ritter, Founder and CEO of Digital Neighbor & Host of The Search Bar Podcast to break down the real skills agency owners need to scale—delegation, documentation, and operational discipline. Eric shares how he grew his digital marketing agency by moving from "saying yes to everything" to building repeatable processes, clear SOPs, scalable services, and a culture rooted in mission and values. You'll learn why documenting your work isn't optional if you want to scale, how to stop being the bottleneck inside your agency, and why "AI is the new intern"—powerful, but not a substitute for strategy, brand voice, or leadership. We dive into the evolving future of AI in digital marketing, the shift from execution to strategic partnership, and how agencies can thrive by systemizing workflows, tightening their positioning, and empowering their teams. Whether you're running a lean team or a growing agency, this episode gives you the frameworks to build a business that runs without your constant involvement.

November 13, 202522 min

S3 / AL EP 76: Sharon Toerek - How to Legally Protect Your Agency's Creative Work & Avoid Costly Mistakes

In this episode of Leverage for Growth, Jesse Gilmore sits down with Sharon Toerek, Founder and CEO of Legal & Creative - Toerek Law, to uncover the legal blindspots most creative agencies ignore. You'll learn: ✅ The most common legal mistakes agencies make (and how to avoid them) ✅ What should (and shouldn't) be in your client contracts and freelancer agreements ✅ How to protect your creative IP in the age of AI and online brand dilution ✅ Why a strong trademark strategy can increase your agency's valuation ✅ How to future-proof your agency for partnerships, M&A, and scale