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Hosted by Nick & Kim Bogardus

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We believe that the quality of your life and leadership depend on the quality of your relationships. Lead Together is the podcast designed for Christian men and women striving to lead more effectively at home and work. In a world of constant change and demands, it's common for couples in leadership to feel disunified, unprepared, or reactive. That's why we're here—to guide you with practical leadership skills that will increase your impact in all your spheres of influence. Your hosts are Nick and Kim Bogardus.

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May 4, 2026Episode 432 min

Q&A: Feedback, Broken Habits, New Teams, and Grieving Unmet Expectations

This is one of our favorite formats: real questions from real people, answered without filler. In this Office Hours episode, Nick and Kim tackle five questions covering some of the most common and costly relational mistakes leaders make at work and at home.In this episode:How to build self-awareness that lets you receive hard feedback, even from people you do not trustWhat to actually do when a marriage has developed damaging patterns over yearsWhat works in the first 90 days of leading a new team, and what most leaders get wrongWhy most leaders undercommunicate, and a practical framework for fixing itHow to grieve the life you expected without losing hope for the one aheadReferenced: The First 90 Days by Michael Watkins, Atomic Habits by James Clear, The Chronicles of Narnia by CS Lewis.Submit your question for a future episode at relationalleadership.co/leadtogether.Book a strategy call: relationalleadership.coHow you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

April 20, 2026Episode 336 min

The Hidden Costs of Growth: The Paradox Many People Don't Talk About

Growth is worth celebrating. But no one talks about what it actually costs.In this episode, Nick and Kim Bogardus get honest about what happens when organizations, churches, and families grow faster than their systems can keep pace — and why even healthy cultures can fracture under the pressure.Drawn from real client work and personal experience, this conversation gives you language for what you're feeling and a practical framework for navigating it well.What you'll walk away with:The four specific challenges every growth season createsWhy culture doesn't scale automatically and what to do about itThe right person / right seat problem, and how to spot it earlyA simple question to ask yourself before your next season of growthResources mentioned:Strategy call with Relational Leadership: relationalleadership.coMinistryEngine consulting for churches: ministryengine.comFollow us: @RelationalLeadershipLead Together is for Christian men and women who want to lead better at work and at home. New episodes drop weekly.How you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

December 1, 2025Episode 258 min

From the NFL & NBA to Family Life: Lessons on Leadership That Matters with Scottie Parker

In this episode of Lead Together, we sit down with Scottie Parker, former athletic trainer with the Seattle Seahawks, Portland Trail Blazers, and Atlanta Hawks, to unpack what elite sports taught him about leadership, identity, and calling.You’ll learn:Why his “dream job” nearly crushed himWhat he learned about the disconnect between stated values and lived realityHow Scottie rebuilt his leadership on faith, relationships, and clarityThis episode is for every high-achieving Christian professional who’s tired of leading from a place of pressure instead of presence.How you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

November 17, 2025Episode 148 min

What the Director of Green and Gold Taught Us About Leadership That Lasts

In this episode of Lead Together, filmmaker and faith-driven creative Anders Lindwall shares how storytelling can transform your grind into purpose. Anders is the director of Green and Gold, starring Craig T. Nelson, which premiered nationally and is now streaming on Amazon Prime and Angel Studios.You’ll learn:Why every leader needs a “cathedral vision”The story that reframes ditch-digging as holy workHow to cast vision that fuels both your team and your familyHow you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

September 22, 2025Episode 1250 min

Charlie Kirk, CS Lewis, & Andy Crouch and leading with conviction, grievance collection, and forgiveness

In this episode Nick and Kim reflect on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and what it reveals about leadership, formation, and family in today’s digital world.This isn’t about politics—it’s about the spiritual and emotional exhaustion of living in a world where evil is unavoidable and moral clarity is rare.They then share and comment on a few resources they've been reading lately that turn out to be related to current events.You’ll learn:Why “witnessing evil on repeat” is damaging your soul (and what to do about it)How to raise kids with anchored convictions in an age of online indoctrinationThe hidden danger of becoming a “grievance collector”—and how that mindset sabotages marriages, teams, and parentingWhy Christian leaders must pursue grace + truth with humilityHow forgiveness frees us from the cycle of revengeWhether you’re leading a team, a church, or just trying to show up better at home—this episode will equip you with practical tools and Christian perspective.Resources Mentioned:"Strong and Weak" by Andy Crouch"After Humanity: A Guide to CS Lewis' Abolition of Man" by Michael WardModern Wisdom podcast with James Kimmel Jr.Connect with us: RelationalLeadership.co | Book a strategy call to explore leadership coachingHow you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

September 15, 2025Episode 1134 min

Productivity: 4 traps keeping high-capacity Christian leaders stuck

Feeling like you're spinning your wheels despite being busier than ever? You're not alone. Most productivity advice treats you like a machine that needs optimization, but you're a person created for relationship.In this episode, Nick and Kim break down the four core productivity challenges keeping Christian leaders overwhelmed and unfulfilled:Time awareness gaps - not knowing where your hours actually goPrioritization traps - spending more time on urgent than important tasksSystem shortages - constantly reacting instead of being proactiveFocus fallacies - getting distracted from meaningful workDiscover the urgent vs. important matrix that will transform your decision-making and learn why productivity isn't optimization—it's stewardship of the gifts God has given you.Resources:Michael Hyatt Focus PlannerAsana, Jira, Pomodoro TimerBook a strategy call: relationalleadership.co/contactConnect: relationalleadership.co | @relationalleadershipHow you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

August 18, 2025Episode 1045 min

Character Beats Competence: What Kirk Cousins, a Kids Movie, and Declining Conscientiousness Teach Us About Leadership

In this Situational Awareness episode, three seemingly unrelated stories reveal a crucial truth: how you handle what you don't choose reveals your character—and character determines outcomes more than talent or intelligence.Nick and Kim connect Kirk Cousins' graceful response to being benched, the resilience themes in Angel Studios' Sketch, and alarming new research showing declining conscientiousness among younger generations.Key Topics:Why conscientiousness predicts career success better than IQ or backgroundThe Kirk Cousins framework for handling setbacks with graceHow to build character in team members who struggle with follow-throughPractical strategies for raising resilient kids in a culture that celebrates quittingThe hidden opportunity for leaders of Gen-Z in a declining-character cultureKey Takeaways:Character is revealed in how you handle what you don't chooseConscientiousness can be developed but requires intentional structureLeaders who model emotional regulation become incredibly valuableFamily is where character gets formed firstResources Mentioned:"I Love You And You're Alright" by Citizens Netflix Quarterback Season 2Angel Studios Sketch movieFinancial Times conscientiousness researchEdwin Friedman's A Failure of NerveJonathan Haidt's work on digital media and teensPerfect for Christian professionals leading teams and families who want practical frameworks for building character and resilience.Connect with Relational Leadership: Strategy Call: relationalleadership.co/contactEnneagram Assessment: relationalenneagram.comHow you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

July 14, 2025Episode 942 min

The delegation mistake that's leaving you overwhelmed and your team stuck

You're drowning in your own success. Your team comes to you for every decision. You stay late finishing work "only you can do." Sound familiar?In this episode, Nick and Kim Bogardus break down why the best leaders aren't afraid to delegate their most important work—and why your resistance to delegation might be sabotaging your team and your family.You'll discover:The biblical foundation for delegation (Moses, the disciples, and Jesus all did this)Why perfectionism, speed, and control are killing your leadership effectivenessThe DELEGATE framework: 8 practical steps for empowering others without losing qualityHow to identify who gets what responsibility (the A, B, C player system)Real examples of delegation wins at work AND at homeThe "80% rule" that will change how you think about standardsKey Quote: "If you're the bottleneck in your organization, you're not leading—you're limiting."Whether you're leading a team of 50 or a family of 5, these principles will help you multiply your impact by developing others.How you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

June 23, 2025Episode 835 min

Vision: Why successful leaders still feel stuck (and the missing piece)

Most Christian professionals have put significant effort into plans but lack compelling vision—and it's costing them clarity, unity, and resilience when circumstances change (and they inevitably do).Key takeaway: The quality of your life and leadership depends on the quality of your relationships—and the quality of your relationships depends on having shared vision for where you're going together.You'll discover:Why confusing goals with vision is a trap that keeps leaders stuckThe 3 characteristics every effective vision must haveWhy most leaders skip vision development (and pay the price)How to identify and overcome the 3 biggest "vision killers"Real examples of vision statements that actually work for families and teamsThe integration challenge that separates great leaders from good onesWhy vision development requires intentional process, not weekend retreatsResources mentioned:Complete vision development framework: relationalleadership.co/visionBook a strategy call: relationalleadership.co/callTake the Relational Enneagram: relationalenneagram.comPerfect for Christian professionals who want to lead effectively without compartmentalizing their faith, work, and family life.How you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.

June 16, 2025Episode 752 min

Feedback: The conversation you're avoiding (and why it's costing you)

Feedback doesn't have to be painful—when done right, it's one of the most powerful tools for building trust and driving growth. In this episode, Nick and Kim reveal the QBIQ method, a simple framework that makes feedback conversations productive whether you're leading a team or raising confident kids.You'll discover:Why most feedback fails (and the four fatal mistakes to avoid)The QBIQ method for giving feedback that actually worksHow to receive feedback without getting defensiveReal examples from workplace meetings to bedtime routinesStrategies for building a feedback culture at work and homePlus, Kim shares a real-time example of using the QBIQ method with a car dealership service manager—and why asking permission first changes everything.If you've been avoiding difficult conversations or your feedback isn't creating the change you want, this episode gives you the exact tools to turn feedback from dreaded confrontation into relationship-building opportunity.Resources mentioned:The Leader Lab bookRelational Leadership coaching servicesTake the Relational Enneagram assessmentSubmit your questions for upcoming Q&A episodes at relationalleadership.co/togetherHow you can support us:• Leave us a 5-star review on iTunes or Spotify• Share this episode with a friend• Send a question for a future Office Hours episodeYou can work with us at Relational Leadership.