Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work

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Grow in your partnership with God in your daily life at work and in business. In this Business as Mission (BAM) podcast series you will discover keys together with Gea Gort and her co-host Bill Job. Their aim is to strengthen your partnership with God, to become professionally excellent and to be spiritual fruitful in your daily life at work. Bill speaks from 30 years experience as BAM-practitioner in China and shares how God transformed his ideas; the journey became much lighter. Gea and Bill also invite others to join the conversation. Get inspired through these candid talks about life and faith; about challenges and blessings. This bi-weekly podcast is connected to the online learning platform BAM Moves.com where you can find short and to-the-point course material rooted in real life. ]]>

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June 3, 202630 min

What If You Heard God Wrong? | Bill Job

What happens when you think you heard God clearly… but life turns out completely different?In this honest and deeply personal conversation, host Gea Gort sits down again with Bill Job to talk about disappointment, closed doors, wrong assumptions, and learning to trust God beyond outcomes. Together they explore what it means to live with God instead of merely doing things for Him.Bill shares stories of missing direction, unexpected detours, surrender, desires, identity, and the surprising freedom that comes from relationship over performance. From airplanes and mission life to unanswered expectations and spiritual growth, this episode is full of vulnerable reflections and practical wisdom for anyone trying to discern God’s voice in everyday life.Timeline00:00 – Introduction00:20 – What if you thought God spoke… but things turned out differently?01:16 – Bill shares how often he “misses it” and learning to recover quickly02:47 – Fear of making wrong decisions and learning to trust God04:46 – Surrender, obedience, and the adventure of following Jesus06:26 – “Slave” language, identity, and God’s character07:47 – Does following God mean losing yourself?09:01 – Airplanes, desires, and how God gives gifts12:33 – Sacrifice, suffering, and religious thinking14:03 – Dying to self versus living resurrected life18:17 – Still learning after decades of walking with God19:24 – The oil drilling story: when the real “oil” was people21:04 – Closed doors, disappointment, and healing deeper issues24:05 – Ministry success versus relationship with God26:28 – From performance and goals to deeper intimacy28:01 – Spiritual warfare and opposition29:21 – Final reflections and looking ahead to future conversationsThis conversation doesn’t offer simple formulas or “five steps to success” — but it does invite you into a more relational, honest, and freeing walk with God.#KingdomKeys #BillJob #HearingGod #ChristianPodcast #FaithAndWork #BusinessAsMission #DiscerningGodsVoice #ChristianLife #SpiritualGrowth #GeaGort

May 20, 202628 min

What if the Church is suffering from “Spiritual ALS”?

In this thought-provoking episode, Bill Job explores a powerful metaphor: just as ALS disconnects the brain from the body, many believers live disconnected from the Head — Jesus Himself.Bill shares why hearing God’s voice is not reserved for a spiritual elite, but is meant to be a normal part of everyday life. From practical stories about daily decisions to deeper reflections on identity, shame, joy, and intimacy with God, this conversation challenges religious mindsets and invites listeners into a more relational walk with Jesus.Together, Bill and Gea discuss:What “Spiritual ALS” means for the ChurchWhy many believers struggle to hear God’s voiceThe difference between conviction and condemnationHow church culture and shame can block intimacy with GodLearning to recognize God’s “accent”Living with joy in ordinary daily lifeWhy following Jesus should feel more relational than religiousThis episode is both deeply practical and spiritually refreshing — especially for anyone longing to experience a closer, more natural relationship with God.📌 In the next episode, Bill will discuss what happens when we think we heard God… but things turn out differently than expected.👉 Subscribe for more conversations on hearing God, Kingdom living, business, life, and faith.#HearingGod #KingdomLiving #ChristianPodcast #BillJob #FaithAndWork #IntimacyWithGod #SpiritualGrowth #KingdomKeys

May 6, 202626 min

More Than Food: Why Kids Need Play to Thrive

What if play isn’t a luxury—but a key to a child’s future?In this episode, Bill Job and I sit down with Ferdi van den Bergh to explore a different side of his journey—far beyond business in the Netherlands. This time, we dive into his heart for children in Uganda and the story behind Tjeko, a growing social enterprise creating spaces where kids can simply be kids.Ferdi shares how a simple moment—watching children peeking through a fence at others playing—sparked a vision:What if every child had access to joy, creativity, and play?From that moment, Tjeko was born. What started as a personal desire to create something for his own daughter has grown into a mission reaching thousands of children—combining business and ministry in a sustainable way.This conversation is about more than playgrounds. It’s about:Seeing the gold in people. Building something that is both social and profitableChoosing joy—even in difficult seasonsAnd discovering how God can use your natural talents for a bigger purpose💡 Key takeaway: You don’t have to separate business and mission. Sometimes, the most powerful impact starts with simply noticing what’s missing—and responding.🔔 Subscribe for more conversations on faith, business, and impact.

April 22, 202631 min

The Gold in Your Team | Ferdi van den Bergh

What if the real “gold” in your business isn’t your strategy… but your people?In this episode, we sit down with Ferdi van den Bergh to explore a powerful shift in leadership: from managing performance to discovering hidden value in the people around you.Ferdi shares insights from his upcoming book 'Goud in Handen' (Gold in Hands) and his work with businesses across the Netherlands. Together, with Bill Job, Gea Gort, we unpack what it really means to “see” people—not just for what they do, but for who they are and what they carry.This conversation goes beyond theory. It’s about real businesses, real pressure, and the tension between profit and people—and how both actually belong together.🔑 What you’ll learn in this episode: Why your employees are the real “gold” in your organizationHow to recognize hidden potential in your teamThe role of vision in unlocking people’s valueWhy timing and patience matter in leadershipThe balance between business results and caring for peopleA simple but powerful practice to start seeing people differently💡 One takeaway to remember: Take two minutes and ask yourself: “When did someone truly see me—and what did that unlock?” Now go and do that for someone else.📘 Ferdi’s book 'Goud in Handen' (Gold in Hands) launches during a symposium Gold Within, June 23rd in the Netherlands, for info see https://goud-in-handen.nl/ If this episode resonates, don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share it with someone who leads others—at work, at home, or anywhere in between.

April 8, 202635 min

How to Hear God in Business | With Jonathan Brake & Bill Job

What happens when business stops being just about profit and starts becoming a place of discipleship, pastoral care, and listening to God?In this second conversation with Jonathan Brake, we go deeper into what it means to build a disciple-making business. Jonathan shares from his work coaching business owners in the United States, helping leaders create healthy cultures that start with their own formation before function.Together, we explore how hearing God’s voice can shape leadership, coaching, company culture, and the way we value people in the workplace. This conversation is full of practical wisdom for business owners, leaders, and anyone who wants to follow Jesus more closely in everyday work.We talk about:why healthy businesses start with healthy leadershow Jonathan coaches business owners by first listening to their storythe role of listening prayer in leadership and strategyhow God speaks in the middle of business decisionswhy employees are not just resources, but people with eternal valuewhat it means to pastor and disciple people in the workplacehow abiding in God changes the way we leadThis episode is an encouragement for anyone who wants to move from living for God to living with Him — also in business.#JonathanBrake #DiscipleMakingBusiness #FaithAndWork #ChristianLeadership #KingdomBusiness #HearingGod #BusinessAsMission #WorkplaceMinistry #LeadershipCoaching #BAM

March 25, 202633 min

He Lost His Business — But Not His Calling

What happens when the business you poured your heart into suddenly comes to an end — and you are left not only with uncertainty, but also with shame?In this honest and hope-filled episode, we sit down with Kingdom-minded leader Jonathan Brake to talk about the personal impact of losing his business and the inner journey that followed. Beyond the practical consequences, Jonathan shares openly about the emotional weight he carried — the sense of failure, and the struggle with shame that many entrepreneurs experience but rarely talk about.This conversation offers encouragement for entrepreneurs, leaders, and professionals navigating setbacks, transitions, or unexpected endings. It is a reminder that while businesses can be lost and reputations can feel shaken, purpose rooted in God’s Kingdom remains steady — and new direction can emerge from even the most painful experiences.🎙 Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work is part of the BAM Moves platform, equipping entrepreneurs and leaders to integrate faith, purpose, and practical action in business and everyday life. You can also watch the video version on BAM Moves YouTube channel.

March 11, 202630 min

How to Start a Faith-Driven Venture Fund

In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work, we continue the conversation with Leen de Bruyne—entrepreneur, author of 'Building a Startup Without Going Crazy, and founder of the Living Hope venture capital fund. Leen shares how a clear sense of calling led him to start Living Hope, a European, faith-driven investment fund—confirmed in unexpected ways. He talks openly about courage, risk, and learning to walk “on water” in business. Central themes include investing in community, stewardship over ownership, and building from meaning instead of fear. This conversation invites you to move from fear to meaning, from ego to calling, a from control to trust—in business and beyond.On Wednesday, March 25th, 2026, the first cohort session of the Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts. Interested in this ten-week online training together with Christian entrepreneurs from around the world? Registration and more info at http://www.bammoves.com #ChristianEntrepreneurship#FaithDrivenInvesting#KingdomBusiness#ChristianBusiness#VentureCapital#BusinessAsMission#FaithAtWork#ChristianLeadership#KingdomEntrepreneur#Stewardship

February 25, 202628 min

How to Build a Startup Without Losing Your Soul

Christian entrepreneur burnout is real. How do you build a startup without losing your identity, your faith, or your soul?In this episode, Leen de Bruyne shares how startup success led to anxiety and burnout—and how rediscovering his identity in Christ changed the way he builds, leads, and lives.The link to get Leen's book 'Building a Startup Without Going Crazy >> https://leendebruyne.com On Wednesday, March 25th, 2026, the first cohort session of the Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts. Interested in this ten-week online training together with Christian entrepreneurs from around the world? Registration and more info at http://www.bammoves.com

February 11, 202631 min

What It Means to Trust God When Business Hurts

What do you do when a business that should work… doesn’t?After years of seeing God’s tangible involvement in business overseas, Bill Job shares what happened when he started a company in the U.S. — and the results were very different. No quick wins. No obvious favor. Just losses, questions, and an invitation to go deeper.This episode explores leadership in uncertainty, moving beyond “common sense,” and rediscovering what it means to truly invite God into the work — even when the story isn’t finished yet.A rerun of 'Thriving Amidst Adversities. Part 4'. (April 2024)Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business. Gea Gort and Bill developed a 10-week training program to empower business leaders and professionals to partner with God at work. The training includes six online sessions in a small cohort. The next cohort starts March 25th, 2026. Look at our site www.bammoves.com. Mail Gea when you're interested >> geagort@gmail.com

January 28, 202640 min

Joyful Fasting 2: 58 Days Sustained by God

What does it mean to be sustained by God?After a 58-day fast, Bill shares, “The Lord has been feeding me. This wasn’t about willpower or heroics—Jesus is the hero.”In this episode, Bill reflects on joyful fasting, abiding in Christ, and how deeper dependence on God brought clarity, peace, and unexpected movement in both business and daily life.What could change if God truly became your source?As promised in the podcast, hereby the link to Boterna >> https://www.boterna.com