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Grow in your partnership with God in your daily life at work and in business. In this Business as Mission (BAM) podcast series you will discover keys together with Gea Gort and her co-host Bill Job. Their aim is to strengthen your partnership with God, to become professionally excellent and to be spiritual fruitful in your daily life at work. Bill speaks from 30 years experience as BAM-practitioner in China and shares how God transformed his ideas; the journey became much lighter. Gea and Bill also invite others to join the conversation. Get inspired through these candid talks about life and faith; about challenges and blessings. This bi-weekly podcast is connected to the online learning platform BAM Moves.com where you can find short and to-the-point course material rooted in real life. ]]>

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September 30, 202632 min

“You’ll Go to the Nations—But Not the Way You Thought”

What if God wants to take you to the nations—but through business rather than traditional ministry? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with Monica Ahn, a Korean-Brazilian ordained pastor and entrepreneur living in California. After years of church leadership, Monica and her husband began asking a new question: Could there be another way to do church—and even fund mission through business? That journey unexpectedly led Monica into Korean skincare and network marketing. What initially seemed unlikely became a growing international business and, for Monica, a new expression of her calling. Then God spoke words that reframed her journey: “You’re going to go to the nations, but not the way you thought.” Monica came to believe that business would open doors to relationships, discipleship, and ministry across nations. She also shares what happened when she sensed spiritual opposition within her growing international team and invited people into 40 days of prayer and fasting. Thirty to forty people from different countries joined daily—including some who were not Christians. Monica describes reconciliation, renewed strength, answered prayer, and a remarkable custody breakthrough for one team member. Together, Monica, Bill and Gea explore what it means to hear God in business, recognize spiritual realities in the workplace, and see business itself as a place to shepherd people. Ultimately, Monica's story is about intimacy with God, recognizing His voice, and having the courage to follow when He leads somewhere unexpected. Are you interested in the Mentorship Program with Bill and Gea, Monica talked about? Join the online cohort Kingdom Mindsets for Business >> Timeline 00:19 Meet Monica Ahn 01:10 Korean, Brazilian, American—and ordained pastor 02:00 Searching for a different way to do church 03:15 Can business help fund mission? 03:55 An unexpected introduction to Korean skincare 05:30 Waiting for God's confirmation 07:15 “I'm making you a director” 08:20 Experiencing God's presence at a business convention 09:00 “You'll go to the nations—but not the way you thought” 10:20 Bill: business can open doors to the nations 11:55 Sensing spiritual opposition in business 13:10 How Kingdom Mindsets changed Monica's perspective 14:35 Learning to stand firm spiritually 15:55 A call to prayer and fasting 16:40 Inviting the entire business team into a 40-day fast 18:05 Including people who aren't Christians 20:25 30–40 people praying together every day 21:35 An unexpected answer to prayer 22:50 A daughter's phone call and a custody breakthrough 23:45 How prayer changed the atmosphere of the team 25:05 Bill: can a business owner also shepherd people? 26:15 Learning about fasting 27:25 Monica: intimacy with God comes first 28:20 Learning to recognize the Holy Spirit's voice 29:45 How Monica, Gea and Bill unexpectedly connected 31:20 A surprising invitation to mentorship 32:00 Closing thoughts #KingdomKeys #BusinessAsMission #FaithAtWork #KingdomBusiness #ChristianBusiness #ChristianEntrepreneur #FaithAndBusiness #PrayerAndFasting #Prayer #MarketplaceMinistry #BusinessMinistry #KingdomEntrepreneur #HolySpirit #WalkingWithGod #Calling #ChristianLeadership #BAM #BillJob #MonicaAhn #BAMMoves #GeaGort

September 16, 202629 min

Don’t Chase Your Calling—Walk With God

What if your business is not separate from your calling—but actually part of it? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with “Jacob,” a fifth-generation Dutch entrepreneur whose family has worked in the food industry for more than 125 years. As a teenager, Jacob sensed a call to serve God among the nations and assumed that might mean leaving business for full-time ministry. Instead, God gradually brought his calling and entrepreneurship together. Jacob shares how his journey eventually took him to Asia, where he developed a protein-rich food business with a holistic mission. The road was far from straightforward: partnerships failed, doors closed, cultural mistakes were made, and he encountered situations where corruption was considered normal. Yet along the way, Jacob repeatedly saw unexpected people, ideas, and opportunities come together. One of his most important practices is surprisingly simple: every Sunday morning he walks for one or two hours, praying, listening, and bringing his business before God. The conversation explores calling, integrity, receiving ideas from God, finding the right people, and redefining profit as impact—not simply money. Jacob’s encouragement is simple: you don’t need to anxiously search for your calling. Ask God for wisdom and guidance, walk faithfully, and trust Him to lead. Timeline 00:19 Meet Jacob: fifth-generation entrepreneur 01:20 125 years of faith and family business 03:20 “Every job is a calling” 03:35 Smuggling Bibles behind the Iron Curtain 04:35 A surprising call from Acts 22 06:00 Staying in business instead of entering ministry 07:15 Growing the Dutch family business 07:40 The move toward Asia 08:10 Encountering extreme poverty and spiritual pressure 10:30 Business mistakes and the importance of understanding culture 11:40 Recognizing an old calling in a new place 13:10 Starting again without local partners 13:45 Finding employees in unexpected ways 14:55 Bill: trusting God for the right people 17:20 Seeing God’s hand in key relationships 18:15 Receiving business ideas from God 18:45 Redefining profit as impact 20:25 Jacob’s weekly prayer walks 22:15 George Washington Carver and receiving ideas from God 23:20 How calling becomes clearer over a lifetime 24:10 “Ask for guidance and God will guide you” 25:40 Choosing integrity when corruption is expected 26:30 Working for your real Master 27:25 Bill: relationship, trust and the “easy yoke” 29:00 Closing #KingdomKeys #BusinessAsMission #BAM #FaithAtWork #ChristianBusiness #KingdomBusiness #Calling #FaithAndBusiness #ChristianEntrepreneur #BusinessWithGod #PurposeDrivenBusiness #KingdomEntrepreneur #IntegrityInBusiness #WalkingWithGod #ChristianLeadership #ImpactBusiness #BillJob #BAMMoves

September 2, 202633 min

If God Owns It All, Why Do We Invest Like Everyone Else?

If we believe God owns it all, does that change the way we invest? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job welcome Don Simmons, an investment professional with nearly 40 years of experience and author of The Steward Investor. Don shares how his understanding of stewardship changed—from helping people grow their wealth and give generously to seeing how investments themselves can accomplish God’s purposes. What if our money could help build businesses that address poverty, create opportunities, share the gospel and help communities flourish? Together, we explore: What “God owns it all” means for our investments. Why profits can serve employees, customers and communities. The personal story behind The Steward Investor. Bill’s “400-year rule” for making decisions with eternity in mind. Finding joy in obedience, even through business difficulties. A vision of prosperity that blesses an entire neighborhood. An honest and challenging conversation for investors, entrepreneurs and anyone seeking to steward what God has entrusted to them. See more on Don's website https://www.thestewardinvestor.com/ Explore Don’s book The Steward Investor, and his Wealth and Wisdom videos for more on faith, finances and stewardship Want to integrate your faith with your business? Discover Kingdom Mindsets for Business, the hands-on, ten-week online journey with Gea and Bill. Subscribe for conversations about walking with God in business, life and work. CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction and welcome 01:30 Meet Don Simmons: rethinking wealth and stewardship 03:49 Discovering the missional potential of investing 06:00 God owns it all—what does that change? 06:59 Bill and Don’s connection 08:16 The story behind The Steward Investor 12:16 Rethinking the foundations of investing 13:53 Walking with God as the Owner 16:12 Using profits to build people 17:46 A growing movement of redemptive investment 19:25 Investing to address poverty and exploitation 21:31 An eternal perspective and the “400-year rule” 24:46 Practical resources: Wealth and Wisdom 25:44 Joy and obedience through business difficulties 28:03 What does “well done, good and faithful servant” mean? 28:41 Investing in flourishing neighborhoods 29:44 When the righteous prosper, the city rejoices 30:44 Closing prayer 31:58 Farewell 32:16 Kingdom Mindsets for Business #BusinessAsMission #FaithAndWork #Stewardship #ChristianInvesting #KingdomBusiness #TheStewardInvestor #DonSimmons #ChristianEntrepreneur #FaithDrivenInvesting #KingdomMindsets #BillJob #GeaGort

August 12, 202628 min

Creation Care: An Essential Part of God's Mission

What if caring for creation is not optional—but central to God's mission? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job welcome Mark Polet—biologist, Business as Mission (BAM) leader, and passionate advocate for Creation Care. Mark shares his remarkable journey from environmental scientist to global BAM practitioner, explaining how caring for the earth became an essential part of his calling. Together they explore why creation care is not a distraction from the Gospel but an expression of it. They discuss how the BAM movement has rediscovered the environmental "bottom line," how businesses can contribute to ecological and spiritual flourishing, and why restoring land, communities, and relationships reflects God's Kingdom. Filled with practical stories from Central Asia, Africa, and beyond, this conversation offers hope that business can become a powerful force for restoration. In this episode you'll discover: Why Creation Care belongs at the heart of Business as Mission How stewardship reflects the character of God The turning point that changed the BAM movement Practical examples of businesses restoring people and the land Why flourishing creation points people to the Creator How every believer can participate in God's restoration of the world Whether you're an entrepreneur, business leader, or simply passionate about God's Kingdom, this conversation will broaden your vision of mission and stewardship. 👉 Learn more about Mark's work at regen.global Subscribe for more conversations on faith, business, leadership and Kingdom living. #BusinessAsMission #CreationCare #KingdomKeys #FaithAtWork #ChristianBusiness #KingdomBusiness #Stewardship #EnvironmentalStewardship #Creation #Leadership #FaithAndWork #BAMGlobal #ChristianLeadership #Mission #Regeneration #BillJob #MarkPolet

July 29, 202628 min

How to Work With God Without Becoming Overwhelmed

How can busy entrepreneurs and leaders make space for people, their responsibilities—and God—without becoming overwhelmed? In this episode, Gea Gort continues her conversation with entrepreneur Bill Job about working with God rather than carrying every responsibility alone. Bill shares how he seeks God’s guidance not only about what to do, but also how to do it. Drawing from the example of Jesus, they explore what it means to do what should be done—without trying to do everything that could be done. They discuss intuition, daily decisions, other people’s expectations, joy in ordinary tasks, and the importance of investing in our relationship with God through worship. Bill also speaks honestly about setbacks, spiritual battles and seasons when a business does not seem to flourish. He closes with an encouraging update about a vertical farming project in China that appeared to have failed—but is now unexpectedly gaining new momentum. A practical and honest conversation for entrepreneurs and professionals who want to experience greater freedom, joy and dependence on God in their everyday work. Would you like to integrate your faith more deeply with your business? Gea and Bill also facilitate the ten-week online training Kingdom Mindsets for Business—a hands-on journey for businesspeople from around the world >> www.bammoves.com Subscribe to Kingdom Keys for Business, Life & Work for a new episode every two weeks.

July 15, 202628 min

God's Business Metric Isn't Profit—It's People | Bill Job

What if the most important business metric isn't profit—but people? After returning to China recently, Bill Job experienced a profound shift in how he sees leadership. Instead of focusing primarily on financial performance, God reminded him that He is interested first and foremost in people. In this deeply practical conversation, Bill shares how God led him back into active leadership of his manufacturing company, where he began learning the names and stories of more than 70 employees. Rather than measuring success only by financial results, Bill explores what it means to steward a business that belongs to God and to create eternal value in the workplace. This episode is full of practical insights for business leaders, entrepreneurs, managers, and anyone who wants to integrate faith into everyday work. In this episode you'll discover: Why Bill returned to lead his company in China What it means when God is the true Owner of your business Why people—not profit—are God's primary metric The surprising power of learning employees' names How God's presence changes workplace leadership Creating eternal value through ordinary business Practical ways to "see" people as God sees them If this conversation encouraged you, please like the video, subscribe to the channel, and share it with someone who wants to integrate faith and work. 👉 Learn more about the 10-week training Kingdom Mindsets for Business: https://bammoves.com Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:15 Why Bill's joy meter was a 10 after returning to China 03:20 Returning to lead the company again 06:00 What if God owns the business? 10:15 God's business metric: people before profit 15:30 "I want to be among the people" 18:45 Learning the names of 70 employees 22:30 The power of making people feel seen 27:00 Practical examples from the factory floor 33:00 Leading with God's presence instead of pressure 38:00 Does this require great management? 42:30 Creating eternal value through business 46:00 Final encouragement for business leaders #BusinessAsMission #FaithAndWork #KingdomBusiness #ChristianLeadership #KingdomEntrepreneur #Leadership #BusinessLeadership #WorkplaceMinistry #Entrepreneurship #BillJob #KingdomMindsets #BusinessForGod #ChristianBusiness #PurposeDrivenBusiness #BAMMoves

July 1, 202631 min

Business as Worship: A Blueprint for City Transformation

What if business could become an act of worship—and a catalyst for transforming an entire city? In this inspiring conversation, Paul Unsworth shares the bigger vision that emerged from Kahaila, the coffee shop and social enterprise movement he started in the heart of East London. Drawing from the rich history of London’s ancient guilds and "Worshipful Companies," Paul explores how business leaders, churches, and communities can work together to address social challenges, create opportunities, and seek the flourishing of their cities. Together with Bill Job and Gea Gort, Paul reflects on God's heart for cities, the role of business in social transformation, and why worship is far more than something we do on Sundays. What if your company, organization, or daily work became an expression of worship to God? This conversation will challenge and inspire entrepreneurs, church leaders, and anyone who longs to see faith make a tangible impact in society. The next cohort Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts Wednesday September 23rd. You are invited to join this 10-week online program, which includes six biweekly sessions with Bill and Gea. Due to the smaller group setting, space is limited. Timeline 00:00 Introduction and recap of Kahaila's story 01:28 Church for the unchurched: coffee shops, bakeries, and social impact 02:46 From a local project to a vision for transforming London 03:41 Isaiah 61 and God's heart for cities 06:04 Discovering God's call to a specific place 07:15 London's challenges after COVID: isolation, stress, and mental health 08:39 Business as a response to social injustice 10:03 The surprising Christian roots of London's Worshipful Companies 12:06 Business as worship and social transformation 14:01 The vision for modern "Worshipping Companies" 15:03 Returning to ancient blueprints for city transformation 17:01 Worship in the workplace: Bill Job's experience 19:09 How churches can release entrepreneurs into their calling 22:05 What does a Kingdom business look like? 23:36 The power of collaboration for city-wide impact 24:58 Can 10% of business owners transform a city? 28:04 Giving God your "yes" like Joshua and Caleb 29:14 Paul's prayer for business leaders and entrepreneurs If this conversation encouraged you, please like, subscribe, and share it with someone who is passionate about faith, business, and transforming communities.

June 17, 202632 min

What If Church Looked More Like a Coffee Shop?

What happens when a church starts looking more like a coffee shop than a Sunday service? In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with Paul Unsworth, founder of Kahaila , a thriving café and community in East London that has become a powerful example of Business as Mission in action. As a Baptist pastor, Paul became convinced that many people would never walk into a church building—but they would walk into a coffee shop. That conviction led him to create a space where people could belong before they believed, where faith could be discovered through relationships, hospitality, and practical love. What started as a café on Brick Lane grew into initiatives helping women leave sex work, supporting survivors of human trafficking, creating employment opportunities, and launching new businesses that continue to transform lives. Paul also shares honestly about the challenges: growing too fast, navigating organizational tensions, surviving COVID, and learning to trust God's voice through seasons of pruning and uncertainty. This conversation is a powerful encouragement for anyone sensing God's invitation to step out in faith, even when they feel unqualified. Paul: "My main gift isn't entrepreneurship. My main gift is faith." The next cohort Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts Wednesday September 23rd. You are invited to join this 10-week online program, which includes six biweekly sessions with Bill and Gea. Due to the smaller group setting, space is limited. In this episode: Why Paul skipped church to explore London's streets Creating belonging before belief Starting a café as a form of church How business became a platform for mission Supporting women leaving sex work and survivors of trafficking Lessons from rapid growth and painful pruning Hearing God's voice in difficult seasons Why faith matters more than expertise How God provides what we need when we step out in obedience #BusinessAsMission #BAM #KingdomBusiness #FaithAtWork #Kahaila #PaulUnsworth #BillJob #GeaGort #KingdomKeys

June 3, 202630 min

What If You Heard God Wrong? | Bill Job

What happens when you think you heard God clearly… but life turns out completely different? In this honest and deeply personal conversation, host Gea Gort sits down again with Bill Job to talk about disappointment, closed doors, wrong assumptions, and learning to trust God beyond outcomes. Together they explore what it means to live with God instead of merely doing things for Him. Bill shares stories of missing direction, unexpected detours, surrender, desires, identity, and the surprising freedom that comes from relationship over performance. From airplanes and mission life to unanswered expectations and spiritual growth, this episode is full of vulnerable reflections and practical wisdom for anyone trying to discern God’s voice in everyday life. Timeline 00:00 – Introduction 00:20 – What if you thought God spoke… but things turned out differently? 01:16 – Bill shares how often he “misses it” and learning to recover quickly 02:47 – Fear of making wrong decisions and learning to trust God 04:46 – Surrender, obedience, and the adventure of following Jesus 06:26 – “Slave” language, identity, and God’s character 07:47 – Does following God mean losing yourself? 09:01 – Airplanes, desires, and how God gives gifts 12:33 – Sacrifice, suffering, and religious thinking 14:03 – Dying to self versus living resurrected life 18:17 – Still learning after decades of walking with God 19:24 – The oil drilling story: when the real “oil” was people 21:04 – Closed doors, disappointment, and healing deeper issues 24:05 – Ministry success versus relationship with God 26:28 – From performance and goals to deeper intimacy 28:01 – Spiritual warfare and opposition 29:21 – Final reflections and looking ahead to future conversations This conversation doesn’t offer simple formulas or “five steps to success” — but it does invite you into a more relational, honest, and freeing walk with God. #KingdomKeys #BillJob #HearingGod #ChristianPodcast #FaithAndWork #BusinessAsMission #DiscerningGodsVoice #ChristianLife #SpiritualGrowth #GeaGort

May 20, 202628 min

What if the Church is suffering from “Spiritual ALS”?

In this thought-provoking episode, Bill Job explores a powerful metaphor: just as ALS disconnects the brain from the body, many believers live disconnected from the Head — Jesus Himself. Bill shares why hearing God’s voice is not reserved for a spiritual elite, but is meant to be a normal part of everyday life. From practical stories about daily decisions to deeper reflections on identity, shame, joy, and intimacy with God, this conversation challenges religious mindsets and invites listeners into a more relational walk with Jesus. Together, Bill and Gea discuss: What “Spiritual ALS” means for the Church Why many believers struggle to hear God’s voice The difference between conviction and condemnation How church culture and shame can block intimacy with God Learning to recognize God’s “accent” Living with joy in ordinary daily life Why following Jesus should feel more relational than religious This episode is both deeply practical and spiritually refreshing — especially for anyone longing to experience a closer, more natural relationship with God. 📌 In the next episode, Bill will discuss what happens when we think we heard God… but things turn out differently than expected. 👉 Subscribe for more conversations on hearing God, Kingdom living, business, life, and faith. #HearingGod #KingdomLiving #ChristianPodcast #BillJob #FaithAndWork #IntimacyWithGod #SpiritualGrowth #KingdomKeys