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In That Case is a podcast from Shook, Hardy & Bacon featuring candid discussions between attorneys in the firm’s Orange County Office.

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March 20, 2025Episode 129 min

Regulating the Regulators: The Legal Battle Over EPA's Clean Air Authority

In this episode of In That Case, Shook attorney Henry Adams discusses Ohio v. EPA, a case examining the EPA’s authority under the Clean Air Act and its regulation of interstate pollution through the Good Neighbor Rule. The conversation explores the legal and procedural challenges surrounding the EPA’s rejection of multiple state implementation plans (SIPs) and the subsequent federal implementation plan (FIP) and the broader implications for administrative law and agency power. The hosts break down key arguments from the majority and dissenting opinions, highlighting the complexities of regulatory decision-making and judicial oversight.Case: Ohio v. Environmental Protection AgencyClick here to learn more about Shook attorney Henry Adams.Click here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

February 5, 2025Episode 1113 min

Redefining Administrative Enforcement Power / Environmental Implications

In this episode of In That Case, Kansas City attorney Joseph Zaleski unpacks the Supreme Court's landmark 2024 administrative law decision in SEC v. Jarkesy. The Court ruled that a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission civil administrative enforcement action seeking civil penalties violated the Seventh Amendment’s right to a jury trial. Joe explores the historical precedents, the public rights doctrine, and what this decision means for the future of administrative enforcement, particularly in environmental law and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency enforcement. Listen for an insightful discussion on how this ruling could reshape the scope of federal administrative enforcement in the future.Case: SEC v. JarkesyClick here to learn more about Shook attorney Joseph Zaleski.Click here to learn more about Shook's Toxic Tort and Exposure Litigation practice.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

October 7, 2024Episode 811 min

Digital Data on Trial with Henry Adams

In this episode, Shook attorney, Henry Adams dives into Briskin v. Shopify, a Ninth Circuit case examining whether California courts have jurisdiction to hear a lawsuit filed against Shopify, a Canada-based company, who allegedly violated California’s Consumer Privacy Act by failing to disclose the collection of data from California consumers. We explore the complexities of personal jurisdiction in the digital age, focusing on how back-end software companies like Shopify navigate legal challenges tied to data and state privacy laws.Case: Briskin v. Shopify, Inc., 87 F.4th 404 (9th Cir. 2023)Click here to learn more about Shook attorney Henry Adams.Click here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

June 26, 2024Episode 79 min

Polly Tran: Artificial Intelligence Cannot Be Listed as an Inventor

Shook Associate Polly Tran, together with other attorneys from the Orange County Office, take a brief look into the case of Thaler v. Hirshfeld. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia ruled in favor of the United States Patent and Trademark Office, affirming that artificial intelligence cannot be listed as an inventor on a patent. The court emphasized that the Patent Act requires inventors to be natural persons and rejected arguments to expand this definition to include AI, leaving the possibility of amendment to Congress in the future.Case: Thaler v. Hirshfeld, 558 F. Supp. 3d, 238 (E.D. Va. 2021).Click here to learn more about Shook attorney Polly TranClick here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

June 26, 2024Episode 67 min

Web Scraping

Shook Associate Polly Tran, together with other attorneys from the Orange County Office, has brought attention to a case involving hiQ Labs versus LinkedIn, which centers around web scraping and the collection of data from public profiles on LinkedIn. Despite LinkedIn's efforts to prevent web scraping, the Ninth Circuit ultimately ruled in favor of hiQ Labs. They interpreted the phrase "without authorization" in the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act narrowly, affirming the preliminary injunction against LinkedIn. This decision was based on the understanding that data on platforms like LinkedIn are publicly available, and the data scraping company utilized bots to gather information from LinkedIn.Case: hiQ Labs, Inc. v. LinkedIn Corp., 938 F.3d 985 (9th Cir. 2019)Click here to learn more about Shook attorney Polly TranClick here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

June 26, 2024Episode 511 min

Algorithmic Serendipity

Shook Orange County lawyers take a brief look into recent AI developments including the differences between traditional and generative AI. Shook Associate, Polly Tran, highlights a case where an appellant's use of fictitious AI-generated legal citations led to dismissal and sanctions by the Missouri Court of Appeals. The attorneys discuss the importance of adhering to court rules and the duty of candor, even when people represent themselves.Case: Kruse v. Karlen, No. ED111172, Missouri Court of Appeals Eastern District (Mo. App. E.D. Feb. 13, 2024).Click here to learn more about Shook attorney Polly TranClick here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

March 28, 2024Episode 47 min

Wetland Woes

In the fourth episode of For That Matter, Shook's latest podcast series, Orange County lawyer Brandon Gilligan discusses Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency. This case is about a couple who faced exorbitant fines from the EPA for filling in a lake on their own land. Neighbors complained it was a protected wetland and notified the EPA. Let’s listen in as Shook lawyers discuss why the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the couple. The United States Supreme Court, 21-454, May 25, 2023.Click here to learn more about Brandon Gilligan.Click here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

March 14, 2024Episode 39 min

Prop 65 Claim Against Global Online Retailer

Should an online retailer be responsible for the labeling of every product it sells? In our third episode of our podcast series In That Case, Shook attorney Tom Wynsma discusses with his colleagues, Lee v. Amazon, Inc., a Prop 65 case. Let’s listen to how the court made its decision impacting the world’s largest online retailer.California Court of Appeal) 76 Cal.App.5th 200 (2022) Click here to learn more about Tom Wynsma.Click here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

March 14, 2024Episode 24 min

Water Sewer District Accused of Leaking Waste Water

Shook Environmental and Toxic Tort lawyers take a brief look at the outcomes of cases that may impact business in California and nationally. In the second episode of our podcast series In That Case, Shook attorney Tom Wynsma discusses Cottonwood Environmental Law Center v. Edwards. The case is a Clean Water Act claim. Let’s listen to how the court determined its decision in favor of the sewer district accused of discharging wastewater into a river.Cottonwood Environmental Law Center v. Edwards (U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit) – 86 F.4th 1255 (2023)Click here to learn more about Tom Wynsma.Click here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com

March 14, 2024Episode 14 min

Utility Accused of Overcharging Customers

Shook Environmental and Toxic Tort lawyers take a brief look at the outcome of cases that may impact business in California and nationally. In the first episode of our podcast series In That Case, Shook attorney Tom Wynsma discusses East Texas Electric Cooperative, Inc. v. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit) with his Orange County office colleagues. Let’s listen to the debate on whether the fees charged by a utility were warranted or an overcharge to customers.East Texas Electric Cooperative, Inc. v. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit) Click here to learn more about Tom Wynsma.Click here to learn more about Shook's Orange County office.Please follow us on social media at:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/www.shb.com