More Than You’re Saying

Hosted by Maryanne Katsidis

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Most leadership conversations happen at the surface. Strategy. Culture. Performance. Execution. This one goes underneath. Maryanne Katsidis is an executive advisor who works privately with CEOs and organisations carrying pressure that hasn't been named yet. Each episode is a direct observation from that work, what she sees in the room, what's sitting beneath the presenting problem, and what shifts when it's finally named. No frameworks. No inspiration. Just the truth about what's actually shaping how leaders think, decide, and show up. Episodes are short and sharp. Solo observations and occasional conversations with leaders and practitioners worth listening to. More Than You're Saying because what's underneath is always the real conversation.

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June 5, 2026Episode 113 min

Why I Named It More Than You're Saying

This podcast has a new name. For four years it's been Heart-Led Changemakers. And that name was true for where I was. But the work has shifted. And I've finally found the words for what it's always been about. More Than You're Saying. That's the thing I walk into every time I enter a room with a leader. Not what they're saying. What they're carrying underneath it. The pressure that hasn't been named. The pattern nobody's acknowledging. The thing a CEO already knows in their body but hasn't found language for yet. That's where this podcast lives now. Short episodes. Real observations from real rooms. And occasionally a conversation with someone doing something quietly significant that most people haven't caught up to yet. If you've been here from the beginning, thank you. Stay. If you're finding this for the first time, you're here because something resonated before you could explain why. That's usually how the right things find you. Welcome to More Than You're Saying. --- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

May 29, 2026Episode 101 hr 30 min

What Creativity Actually Does

Entrepreneurs treat creativity as optional. Something to get to when the real work is done. In this conversation with Michelle Stark, founder of Aleph Studio, we explore what that actually costs and what becomes available when creativity is treated not as expression but as a way of thinking that pressure systematically shuts down. We talk about what happens in the body when you force your way through a creative block, why lying on the floor for ten minutes is more strategic than it sounds, and how the most useful breakthroughs arrive in the pause, not the push. A conversation for entrepreneurs carrying the weight of building something and wondering why the thinking that used to come easily has gone quiet. Together, we explore creativity as a leadership technology, not as something decorative or “nice to have,” but as a way of seeing, sensing, and navigating the truth beneath the pressure of entrepreneurship. We talk about the symbolic layers of design, the imaginal world leaders often ignore, and the creative blocks that reveal more about identity than strategy ever could. This conversation is for entrepreneurs who feel the weight of leading and know there’s a deeper, more creative way to move through it. If you’ve been craving clarity, resonance, or a return to your own creative intelligence, this episode will land exactly where it needs to. --- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

May 22, 2026Episode 97 min

When You Stop Performing

There's a difference between using your voice and being in your voice. Most leaders don't realise which one they're doing until something makes them stop. In this episode I share a story I haven't told this way before, the moment I realised I'd been performing capability for years, and what happened when I finally put it down. If you've ever felt tired in a way sleep doesn't fix, or full in your life but strangely empty in yourself, this is the pattern underneath that. ------------------------------- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

May 8, 2026Episode 859 min

The Courage in This Work

Some work carries a weight most people don't see. In this conversation I speak with Lisa O'Malley about what it means to lead in a system that is simultaneously broken and essential and how leaders in high-stakes, high-consequence work stay grounded when the pressure is constant and the stakes are real. A conversation about courage, endurance, and what it costs to care at this level. ---- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

April 24, 2026Episode 74 min

When the Same Pattern Comes Back

You make a change. It works. Things move again. And then quietly, gradually, the same pattern comes back. Different situation. Different people. Same feeling. This is one of the most consistent things I see in leaders and organisations. Not resistance. Not failure. A pattern that hasn't been addressed at the level where it's actually generated. This episode is about what that pattern is, where it lives, and why surface-level change can't reach it. ------------------------------- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

April 10, 2026Episode 649 min

Leading with Purpose in Complexity

Leading a purpose-driven organisation carries a specific kind of pressure. The mission is visible. The resources are constrained. The emotional labour is high. And the leader is often holding the weight of both the organisation and the community it serves. In this conversation I speak with David Woodcock about what it actually looks like to lead with clarity and steadiness in that environment and what happens when the pressure of purpose starts to quietly consume the person carrying it. 🎧 Listen now on all platforms 🔗 Follow @maryannekatsidis and learn more at nfpas.com.au ---- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

March 27, 2026Episode 53 min

When You Become the System Holding Everything Together

There's a pattern I see in high-functioning leaders that nobody names until it breaks something. They've become the system. Not by design. By default. Gradually, quietly, they've become the thing holding everything together and the organisation has quietly stopped being able to function without them. This episode names how it happens, what it costs, and what the first move out of it looks like. --- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

March 13, 2026Episode 449 min

Change That Sticks

Most change initiatives fail not because the strategy is wrong but because the system underneath hasn't shifted. In this conversation I speak with Sarah Cassells about what it actually takes to design organisations that hold change, not just implement it. A conversation for leaders who've watched initiatives land well and disappear quietly, and want to understand why. ------ Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

February 27, 2026Episode 34 min

When Decisions Feel Heavy, It’s Usually Not About the Decision

Decision fatigue is usually talked about as a volume problem, too many decisions, too many inputs, too much complexity. In this solo episode I look at something different: what’s happening internally while decisions are being made. Unresolved tension, background pressure, and the mental noise we carry from one conversation into the next can quietly interfere with clarity long before the number of decisions becomes the issue. This isn’t about productivity or decision frameworks. It’s a look at what happens inside leaders when decisions start to feel heavier than they should and how that affects pace, confidence, and the people around them. If you’re decisive but feeling more drained than usual, this conversation will probably feel familiar. ---- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

February 13, 2026Episode 21 hr 9 min

Human Durability, Leadership & Surviving the Impossible

In this gripping episode, Maryanne speaks with Derrick McManus, former STAR Group officer and founder of the Australian Centre for Human Durability. In 1994, Derrick was shot fourteen times in less than five seconds during a high-risk operation. He then spent three hours bleeding on the ground before rescue. His survival and his extraordinary return to elite duties, defied all medical and psychological predictions. Derrick shares the strategies, mindset, emotional conditioning, and deep personal responsibility that made the impossible possible. Together, they explore: - The world-first framework of Human Durability - How to prepare for extreme challenge - The psychology of crisis, survival & recovery - Leadership in high-pressure, high-consequence environments - And how to build internal capacity that sustains long-term performance This is not just a story of survival, it’s a masterclass in the human potential we rarely see. ---------- Follow Maryanne for updates here: www.maryannekatsidis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maryannekatsidis/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maryannekatsidisadvisor Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryannekatsidis/ By accessing this podcast, I acknowledge that the entire contents are the property of Maryanne Katsidis, or used by Maryanne Katsidis with permission, and are protected under the Australian and International trademark laws. Except as otherwise herein, users of this podcast may save and use information contained in the podcast only for personal and other non-commercial, educational purposes. No other use, including, without limitation, reproduction, retransmission or editing of this podcast may be made without prior written permission of Maryanne Katsidis, which may be requested by contacting info@maryannekatsidis.com. This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application or interpretation of the information presented herein.

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