Hack Your Own PR

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Learning how to DIY your PR is the growth hack every small business owner needs - the Hack Your Own PR podcast will teach you everything you need to know to get your business and yourself authentically featured in the most impactful publications. Publicity, PR, media relations, call it what you like. On Hack Your Own PR Odette Barry shares conversations with some of her favourite publicists, journalists, editors, presenters and producers about the often misunderstood industry of public relations. So whether you're a small business owner learning how to DIY your PR, a publicist looking to deepen your knowledge, or an aspiring publicist striving to gain new skills and understand the media landscape, this podcast offers personal insights and stories, practical tips to improve your pitching and step-by-step guidance to secure headline news. If you have any questions about how to DIY your PR and win your own publicity - shoot me a DM over on LinkedIn or Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/

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December 8, 2025Episode 11542 min

DIY PR pitching to US media with Brett Farmiloe, CEO of HARO | Ep 115

In this episode of Hack Your Own PR , the podcast that helps founders and change-makers tell their story, build credibility without needing a big PR budget, we're chatting with Brett Farmiloe , the Founder and CEO of Featured , and the owner of the iconic Help a Reporter Out — HARO. Brett is literally in the thick of the AI world right now. What I love about Brett is that he sits at this fascinating intersection between expert sourcing , media opportunities , and the evolving world of AI visibility . He's seen every mistake people make when pitching themselves. He knows what actually helps a journalist say yes. And he's got a front-row seat to how brands are trying to show up inside large language models and what actually moves the needle. In our conversation, we explore: How to use HARO and Featured to land expert commentary pieces The anatomy of a pitch that cuts through (including Brett's very cheesy but genuinely helpful HARO acronym) Why journalists can immediately spot AI-generated pitches What citations really mean for visibility inside LLMs The emerging tension between the media industry and AI — and how founders can navigate it If you're a founder trying to build thought leadership, a not-for-profit leader trying to get your message out, or a publicist wanting to stay ahead of the curve, you will absolutely take away something practical from this chat. So grab a cuppa, or pop your headphones in while you take the dog for a lap around the block, and let's dive into this conversation with Brett Farmiloe . Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Brett Farmiloe online https://www.helpareporter.com/ https://www.instagram.com/helpareporter/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/brettfarmiloe/

December 5, 2025Episode 11445 min

How to pitch to Sunrise with Laura Francis | Ep 114

In this episode of Hack Your Own PR ! with Odette Barry, we take you inside one of the most dynamic, fast-paced environments in Australian media — breakfast television. Odette is joined by Laura Francis , the Managing Editor of Sunrise , where she oversees the editorial direction, content strategy, and daily rhythm of the country's highest-rating morning show. She's the one shaping the stories you sip your coffee to every morning — from breaking news and political hot topics, to consumer segments and yes, the occasional tap-dancing dachshund. If you've ever wondered what it takes to fill three hours of live TV every day — and keep millions of Australians tuned in before 9am — Laura's here to break it down. We talk about: How stories are chosen, shaped, and prioritised overnight and in real-time The kinds of pitches that actually make it to air — and what gets instantly binned How Sunrise balances hard news, entertainment, and real human stories What publicists and media talent often misunderstand about live TV And why the most effective guests are never just 'available' — they're relevant Tips for pitching Tailor pitches with an understanding of Sunrise's structure. Avoid generic press releases — they won't land if they aren't visual, short (approx. 3 minutes), or morning-TV friendly. Sunrise is built around visuals. If you're pitching a segment, ensure you've got strong, clear footage or imagery that brings the story to life. Even a preview or pre-event demonstration is better than nothing. Craft a concise one-liner that reads like a Sunrise segment tease. Producers are time-poor — if they can't instantly see how it fits into the show, it's a miss. Laura shares incredibly practical advice for anyone hoping to land a breakfast segment — and gives us a peek into the editorial engine room of a program that sets the national conversation every day. This episode is packed with newsroom gold — for PRs, founders, and anyone curious about how big media moves behind the scenes. Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Laura Francis online https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-francis-58101677/

November 4, 2025Episode 11345 min

Pitching 6pm Nine News features with Meredith Marks | Ep 113

In this episode of Hack Your Own PR, the podcast where we pull back the curtain on what actually works in modern PR and media, host Odette Barry, publicist, and the founder of Odette & Co chats with someone who sits at the coalface of mainstream television journalism, Meredith Marks, Features & Investigations Producer at Nine News in Sydney. Meredith has spent over 20 years in news from the trenches of 4am radio starts and election campaign media rooms, to the high-pressure deadlines of 6pm news bulletins. These days, she's the powerhouse behind many of the feature stories you see promoted across Nine's platforms, the ones that hook you in and have the whole group chat buzzing the next morning. In this episode, Meredith generously shares: What actually makes a pitch stand out in her inbox The kind of data, case studies and visuals that cut through (and what makes her hit delete) Why exclusives matter and how to offer them properly Her biggest bugbears with product PR and last-minute case study dropouts Plus, the behind-the-scenes realities of what it takes to get a story from inbox to screen We also talked about ethical storytelling, especially for those of you working in social impact, and Meredith gave incredibly grounded advice on how to work with sensitivity while still telling powerful, visual stories. Honestly, this chat is a goldmine for anyone pitching television and Meredith is a dream. Straight-talking, smart, and so generous with her wisdom. Big Ideas Masterclass This FREE 60 minute masterclass will help you - a leader or changemaker - turn your stories into powerful tools for visibility and impact. Stories that open doors. Through PR strategies, pitching techniques, and influence-building tactics, you'll learn how to secure media coverage, land speaking engagements, and amplify your mission…before you burnout! Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Meredith Marks online: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meredith-marks-458138277/

October 27, 2025Episode 11246 min

Lucy Asker on Cultivating Influence at MECCA | Ep 112

Today's Hack Your Own PR guest is someone who has built one of the most enviable PR careers in Australian beauty! Joining us is Lucy Asker, Head of PR & Influencer at MECCA Brands, an enviable role she's earned through more than a decade of strategic, creative, and deeply connected work in the world of communications. From her early days cutting her teeth at Two Birds Talking and AMPR, through to her time in London leading beauty accounts and business development at b. the communications agency, Lucy's career has spanned continents and some of the world's biggest beauty brands. Since joining MECCA in 2019, Lucy has steadily climbed the ranks, from Publicist to now leading the entire PR and influencer division across Australia and New Zealand. She's shaped blockbuster brand campaigns, launched cult products, built enduring talent relationships, and helped position MECCA as a cultural brand as much as a retail destination. In this conversation, we unpack how Lucy thinks about earned influence, the evolving role of media, navigating the fast pace of retail PR, and what it really takes to build trust. This one's for the beauty lovers, the brand builders, and anyone curious about what it looks like behind the scenes of one of Australia's most loved beauty brands We cover a lot of ground in this conversation, including: The evolution of beauty PR — from editorial desks and long leads to reactive content, real-time storytelling, and TikTok virality. How to think more holistically about impact, visibility, and relationships. Her approach to influencer marketing — including how MECCA fosters authentic, long-term relationships with creators rather than transactional content. Big Ideas Masterclass This FREE 60 minute masterclass will help you - a leader or changemaker - turn your stories into powerful tools for visibility and impact. Stories that open doors. Through PR strategies, pitching techniques, and influence-building tactics, you'll learn how to secure media coverage, land speaking engagements, and amplify your mission…before you burnout! Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Lucy Asker online https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucy-asker-64602454/

October 22, 2025Episode 1111 hr 1 min

How to Pitch to Ready or Not with Lucinda McKimm

In this episode of Hack Your Own PR, Odette Barry is joined by Lucinda McKimm, journalist-turned-podcaster, producer, and co-host of Ready or Not. Lucinda has built one of Australia's most dynamic podcasts exploring the collision of motherhood, career, and feminism. With her background in sports media and branded content at Cricket Australia, plus years of freelancing and yoga teaching on the side, she brings both grit and creativity to a rapidly growing platform that now spans three weekly shows. We dive into the reality of producing high-calibre, independent content while raising kids, setting boundaries in business partnerships, and why personalisation matters more than ever when pitching to Ready or Not. On Hack Your Own PR, we unpack the art and science of media relations, publicity, and storytelling so you can DIY PR, amplify your voice, and share your message. In this episode, Lucinda breaks down: Her journey from journalism student to Cricket Australia, then into podcasting during parental leave How Ready or Not evolved from an interview series into three shows a week (Ready or Not, Witching Hour, and Ask Ready or Not) What it takes to run a podcast brand at professional standard while balancing freelancing and parenting How she and co-host Loz divide roles, manage workflows, and set boundaries (including "no WhatsApp on Wednesdays") The importance of diversity in guest selection and why she actively seeks different motherhood and career stories What makes for a great pitch, and the red flags that guarantee a "no" Key Takeaways: A strong pitch balances both story and audience: either a killer narrative or an engaged following (ideally both). Tailoring matters — if you've never listened to Ready or Not and send a generic pitch, you won't get far. Guests who amplify their own episode can drive as many downloads as "big name" talent. Honesty and openness make for the most compelling conversations — you don't need to have lived through tragedy to tell a meaningful story. Boundaries protect creativity and longevity: clear roles, set days for work, and rules about when not to message are part of their survival strategy. What to Avoid: Spray-and-pray press releases with no reference to Ready or Not's themes or audience. Long, attached PDFs — put the essentials in the email body. Overlapping pitches during book tours without disclosing where else the guest is appearing. Ignoring the importance of story amplification post-release. This episode is a candid masterclass in independent podcasting, building a brand with integrity, and pitching to a show that's fiercely loved by mums navigating the messy middle of ambition and motherhood. This episode is a masterclass in live TV pitching, producer relationships, and how to turn a great story into a compelling segment on Australia's breakfast screens. Access the Big Ideas Masterclass: https://diyprhub.mykajabi.com/Big-Ideas-Masterclass Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Lucinda McKimm online: https://www.instagram.com/lucindamckimm_ https://www.instagram.com/readyornot.pod

July 5, 2025Episode 1101 hr 4 min

How to pitch to Today Extra with Cosi Toni | Ep 110

In this episode, I'm joined by Cosi Toni, Executive Producer of Channel Nine's Today Extra and all-around legend of live television. With nearly a decade of experience across producing, segment wrangling and live control room chaos, Cosi brings an infectious energy and razor-sharp editorial instinct to one of Australia's longest-running lifestyle programs. We talk about what really goes on behind the scenes of a two-and-a-half-hour daily live show, how she maps out a week of segments across celebrity, consumer, health, real-life stories and news — and what makes a pitch cut through when her inbox is bursting and her phone is off limits from 9am to 11:30am. On Hack Your Own PR , we explore the art and science of media relations, publicity, and storytelling to help you DIY PR, amplify your voice, and share your message. In this episode, Cosi breaks down: How she got her start as an intern on Today Extra and worked her way up to the EP's chair What makes Today Extra so dynamic, unpredictable, and welcoming of fresh story ideas Why her ideal guest is "ready to chat and not afraid to take a stand" How she balances the daily show format with bigger-picture programming and panel casting The visual expectations of TV: from B-roll and photos to on-screen charisma and timing Key Takeaways: Cosi wants to see the full package in your pitch: clear hook, guest bio, HD photos, video or sizzle reel, and visual assets like B-roll. Morning TV is fast-paced and visual — if there's no supporting imagery or talent can't deliver concise answers, it's a tough sell. Know the show before you pitch. Calling at 9:30am when they're live on-air? That's an instant red flag. Today Extra is always looking for new experts and storytellers — but they must be confident, succinct, and ready to contribute to a flowing conversation. There's no one formula — but the best pitches are clear, respectful of time, and deeply tailored to the show. What to Avoid: Copy-paste press releases without context. Cosi needs to know why the story matters now , and why it's right for her show. Forgetting it's TV: a talking head without visuals won't cut it. Sending incomplete pitches with no talent photo, bio, or media experience. Getting her name wrong (spoiler: it's Cosi, not Tony). This episode is a masterclass in live TV pitching, producer relationships, and how to turn a great story into a compelling segment on Australia's breakfast screens. Access the Big Ideas Masterclass: https://diyprhub.mykajabi.com/Big-Ideas-Masterclass Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Cosi Toni online: https://www.instagram.com/cosimatoni/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/cosima-toni/

July 2, 2025Episode 10939 min

How to pitch to SBS Food with Sudeshna Ghosh | Ep 109

In this episode, I'm joined by Sudeshna Ghosh, cross-platform content wizard and current Managing Editor at SBS Food. With a career spanning TV, print, magazines and digital across India, Dubai and Australia, Sudeshna brings a global sensibility to local storytelling — and a deep appreciation for the way food connects us across cultures. At SBS Food, Sudeshna leads the online and social ecosystem, where recipes, editorial, and digital content come together to celebrate Australia's rich multicultural identity. From commissioning features and developing social video, to championing lesser-known culinary voices, Sudeshna is driven by a simple but powerful question: what value does this story bring to our audience? On Hack Your Own PR , we explore the art and science of media relations, publicity, and storytelling to help you DIY PR, amplify your voice, and share your message. In this episode, Sudeshna shares: Her global media career and how she found her sweet spot in food and travel How SBS Food plans content — and why video and cross-platform thinking are central Why authenticity and cultural nuance matter more than polish What kind of stories and pitches actually cut through (and what gets instantly skipped) Why timing and flexibility are critical in earned media — especially in food Key Takeaways: SBS Food prioritises evergreen, values-led storytelling . They're not looking for the latest trend or product drop — they're looking for lasting cultural conversations through food. Sudeshna is driven by value: "If we're asking for someone's attention, we need to give them a really good reason." When pitching, lead with a clear hook and highlight access and assets — but keep it real. Don't pitch your campaign; pitch your story. SBS Food actively seeks stories that are under-represented, community-led, and outside the mainstream PR cycle. Social-first content is growing — and Sudeshna is open to co-developing briefs for digital video. If you can provide thoughtful B-roll or edited content to spec, it's a win. What to Avoid: Generic campaign pitches with no clear why Stories without an audience benefit — SBS Food's readers are passionate, curious home cooks Assuming your moment is everyone's moment — relevance matters more than urgency Over-polished, overly media-trained talent — especially for video interviews This conversation is a rich insight into values-aligned, culturally grounded food journalism — and a practical roadmap for how to pitch stories that matter in a busy media landscape. Access the Big Ideas Masterclass: https://diyprhub.mykajabi.com/Big-Ideas-Masterclass Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Sudeshna Ghosh online: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ghoshsudeshna/

July 1, 2025Episode 10851 min

How to pitch to Two Doting Dads with Jessica Smalley | Ep 108

In this episode, I'm joined by Jessica Smalley — producer, storyteller and comedic strategist behind Two Doting Dads , a weekly parenting podcast hosted by Matty J and Ash that's reshaping the way men talk about fatherhood. After producing business deep-dives for Mark Bouris, Jess pivoted to the parenting aisle — bringing her systems brain, strategic storytelling and creative intuition to a show that's part chaos, part catharsis, and entirely relatable. With a growing audience of mostly 29–35 year old women (and their partners), Two Doting Dads offers the kind of parenting convos you'd usually only hear on the daycare run or at 2am with your sleep-deprived bestie. Jess shares how she's helped build the show from a funny side hustle into a fully-fledged universe, and what it really takes to pitch and land a meaningful guest spot on a conversational, story-led podcast. On Hack Your Own PR, we always explore the art and science of media relations, publicity, and storytelling to help you DIY PR, amplify your voice, and share your message. In this episode, Jess provides a producer's lens on: Transitioning from straight-laced business pods to fart jokes and fatherhood Building a podcast universe — and why clarity on your "why" is essential Managing talent, guiding ADHD minds, and bringing structure to spontaneous comedy Her unique pitch criteria: from guest chemistry to narrative payoff What she really looks for in a compelling, guest-led episode Key Takeaways: Podcast producers aren't gatekeepers — they're collaborators. Your job is to make their job easier. Understand the why of the show before you pitch. Jess wants guests who fit the mission — not just the category. She has to pitch guests to the hosts — so give her strong, story-led reasons they'll say yes. Presence matters more than profile. Can you speak for 45 minutes? Can you riff? That counts more than follower count. Ask the producer which 3 episodes best represent the tone of the show. Use that to prepare and pitch. What to Avoid: Generic "I've got a great guest" emails. Jess needs to know: what's the story, what makes it different, and why it's perfect for this show. Underestimating the nuance of talent dynamics. Matty J and Ash have different filters — and Jess has to balance both. Coming in too polished or too serious. Two Doting Dads is built on honesty, imperfection and silliness — guests need to match that energy. This episode is full of insider insight on the evolving podcast landscape — and a must-listen for anyone keen to pitch story-led shows in 2025 and beyond. Access the Big Ideas Masterclass: https://diyprhub.mykajabi.com/Big-Ideas-Masterclass Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Jess Smalley online: https://www.instagram.com/jess.smalley/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-smalley/ https://www.instagram.com/twodotingdads/

June 28, 2025Episode 10734 min

How to pitch to 9Honey with Jo Abi | Ep 107

In this episode, I'm joined by Jo Abi, senior writer at 9Honey and one of the most refreshingly honest and compassionate voices in Australian media. With a background in radio, over a decade in digital journalism, and a side-hustle writing from the trenches of parenting three neurodivergent kids, Jo has a deep understanding of what makes a story resonate. At 9Honey, Jo writes across consumer, lifestyle, and real-life content — often drawing on her own lived experience and relentless curiosity (yes, she once wrote a whole article sparked by chickpeas on sale at Woolies). She's known for championing everyday Australians, turning PR pitches into powerful stories, and always keeping it real with her readers. On Hack Your Own PR, we explore the art and science of media relations, publicity, and storytelling to help you DIY your PR, amplify your voice and share your message. In this episode, Jo gives us an inside look at: Her journey from radio to mummy blogging to national newsroom. The unique content pillars at 9Honey — think relatability, reliability, entertainment and consumer insight. How she structures her 6am–2pm workday and juggles motherhood, deadlines, and ADHD with humour and grace. What she really wants in a PR pitch (including how many follow-ups are too few!). The value of storytelling with purpose, especially when it comes to vulnerable or advocacy-led case studies. Key Takeaways: Tailor your subject line and hook it with heart. Think about Jo's beats — parenting, personal struggle, quirky consumer finds — and write to them directly. Follow up more than once (four times is Jo's magic number). Include 8–10 relatable, non-staged images with every pitch. Social-media style over polished studio shots. Don't send just a PDF. Include the press release in the body of the email and make it easy to access. What to Avoid: One-size-fits-all pitches. If you're not sure what Jo writes, read her work first — and make your pitch personal. Failing to prepare case studies. Make sure talent is ready for the emotional weight of media attention, and never promise full editorial control. Holding back key details. If the story's about adversity or illness, Jo wants the full arc: the before, during and after — and the visuals to match. Calling 30 minutes after sending your pitch. Be patient, and follow up on a better day. This episode is a goldmine for anyone pitching human-led stories to lifestyle media — and a reminder that compassion and curiosity are your greatest PR tools. Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Jo Abi online https://www.instagram.com/joabi_9/

March 30, 2025Episode 10644 min

How to DIY PR headlines with AFR, The Australian, ABC and Mamamia with Melissa Reader | Ep 106

In this episode of Hack Your Own PR , we're joined by Melissa Reader, CEO of Violet, whose journey from profound personal loss to leading social change is nothing short of inspiring. Through Violet, Melissa is helping us all navigate life's final chapters with grace, humanity, and proactive planning. Over the past year, Melissa's voice has been everywhere, from AFR, The Australian and ABC to SmartCompany , Mamamia , and Women's Agenda . Her work is not just about practical end-of-life planning but about igniting broader social conversations on ageing, living well, and preparing for what lies ahead. Melissa shares how learning to DIY her PR, including her experience with Authority Brand and Meet The Media , and working with Hack Your Own PR host Odette Barry as a mentor, has amplified her message and driven real impact. We dive into the strategies behind her media wins, her approach to thought leadership, and why being proactive—whether for your media presence or your life—is a game-changer. In this episode, Melissa shares: The importance of proactive planning: Whether it's for end-of-life care or PR strategy, preparing early can prevent stress and ensure clarity. How to DIY your PR effectively: Melissa explains why founders and social change leaders should learn the PR ropes themselves before outsourcing. Why testing and iterating is critical: She reveals how experimenting with messaging and being open to feedback helped her find a narrative that resonated widely. Key Lessons: Plan ahead: Like preparing a birth plan, planning for life's final chapters or your PR strategy can make all the difference. Stay authentic in PR: Don't fully outsource your voice. Keeping close to your messaging ensures it remains true to your mission. Embrace feedback: Testing your messaging and refining it based on responses can lead to stronger, more effective communication. Melissa Reader suggests avoiding: Vanity metrics in PR: Instead of chasing meaningless numbers, focus on measurable, tangible results. Avoidant language around death: Using direct and honest language helps normalise important conversations. Over-extending yourself as a change maker: Self-care and setting boundaries are essential to avoid burnout. With her thoughtful approach to both social change and PR, Melissa Reader offers invaluable insights for changemakers, social entrepreneurs, and anyone looking to build a meaningful media presence. Watch the Big Ideas Masterclass https://diyprhub.mykajabi.com/Big-Ideas-Masterclass Find Odette Barry online: https://www.odetteandco.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/odetteandco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/odette-barry/ Find Melissa Reader online: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissa-reader/ https://www.meetviolet.ai/