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Group Dentistry Now Show: The Voice of the DSO Industry

Group Dentistry Now Show: The Voice of the DSO Industry

Hosted by Kim Larson & Bill Neumann of Group Dentistry Now

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100

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Jun 2026

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We bring you dental support and emerging dental group practice analysis, conversation, news and events. Listen to leaders in the DSO and emerging dental group space talk about their challenges, successes and what they see as the future of group dentistry. To read all of our articles and learn about all industry events, please visit GroupDentistryNow.com. Looking for a job or have a job to fill? Visit JoinDSO.com. We hope you enjoy today's show!

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June 14, 202640 min

The AI Graveyard: Why DSOs Are Burying Money in Unused Technology — and How to Stop It. Dental Cyber Watch Live Episode 3

Welcome to the third episode of Group Dentistry Now & Black Talon Security's Dental Cyber Watch Live. As dental groups rush to adopt artificial intelligence, many are spending on tools no one uses and feeding patient data into platforms no one controls. The result is wasted budget, hidden liability, and growing security exposure. In this episode of Dental Cyber Watch Live, Bill Neumann (CEO, Group Dentistry Now) sat down with Gary Salman (Co-founder and CEO, Black Talon Security) and Matthew McGaw (founder, DSO Compass; co-founder, Relay) to unpack the promise and peril of AI in dentistry. The clear message for DSOs of every size: AI is transformative, but only when paired with governance, training, and due diligence. Here are the key takeaways. Shadow AI: The Risk You Can't See Shadow AI is the unmonitored use of large language models — ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude — by employees without policy, oversight, or controls. Staff turn to these tools to work faster. The problem is that no one is watching what data goes in. Salman described the scope at a recent DSO event with roughly 20 leaders, representing practices from 10 to 200-plus locations. Most reported a mix of LLMs already in use across their teams. Few had standard operating procedures governing what could be entered. Fewer still had any technology to monitor that activity. The exposure is real. Information uploaded to a free model may be anonymized, but it can resurface when others ask similar questions. "When the product's free, you're the product. They're not doing you a favor." — Gary Salman, Black Talon Security For an organization handling protected health information, that is a compliance event waiting to happen. The fix doesn't require shutting AI down — it requires structure: enable privacy settings so platforms don't train on your data, write SOPs that define what can and cannot be entered, and train staff on why it matters. The AI Graveyard: Paying for Tools No One Uses The "AI graveyard" is where promising technology goes to die. It's the software a DSO bought with enthusiasm, then abandoned because of poor implementation, failed training, low adoption, or clunky integration — while the subscription keeps billing. McGaw pointed to two familiar culprits: "shiny object syndrome" and the "Hawaiian shirt guy effect," where a charismatic salesperson wins the room and the product never fits the problem. Neumann offered a grounded example. Some automations at Group Dentistry Now worked well. Others proved clunky and were better handled manually. A buried tool isn't just a wasted subscription. It drains training hours, erodes staff confidence in future rollouts, and makes the next investment harder to champion. The escape route is unglamorous but reliable: plan, implement, and train before you scale. Roll out to a small group, confirm adoption, refine the workflow, then expand. Design Backward, Build Forward The smartest framing of the conversation came from a concept Salman credited to Andy Farina of Destination DSO: design backward, build forward. Understand the problem you're solving first, then align products to it — never the reverse. Most purchasing runs backward. A leader sees an exciting tool, then invents a reason to need it. McGaw captured the trap: "Sometimes the problem that they think they have to solve isn't always the problem that is really the problem." Salman's advice for separating substance from hype was blunt: "Stay away from the shiny penny and buy the gold." Before any AI purchase, leaders should define the problem, set clear criteria for success, evaluate fit against those criteria, and only then buy. Vendor Due Diligence — and Who's Really Liable Many DSO leaders misunderstand a critical point: under HIPAA, breach liability sits with the healthcare entity — the DSO — not the software or technology provider. Assuming the vendor carries that risk is a dangerous shortcut. That makes cyber due diligence non-negotiable. Before signing with any AI vendor, ask: How do they access, store, and share data? Who, specifically, has access to it? What security measures protect it? Salman's larger point: security should be the first question in any technology evaluation, not the last. Too often it's raised only after the contract is signed and the data is already flowing. Building AI Securely The throughline of the discussion was AI governance, risk, and compliance treated as a foundation, not an afterthought. For organizations handling patient data, that distinction separates innovation from exposure. Leaders should expect real safeguards from any tool touching PHI: scrubbing confidential data like dates of birth, Social Security numbers, and patient health information on upload; annotating sources so answers can be traced; flagging possible hallucinations; and hashing files to protect their integrity. Pair those safeguards with disciplined implementation, and today's investment doesn't become tomorrow's graveyard occupant. Protecting What You've Built AI is a genuine opportunity for DSOs willing to pair ambition with discipline. The risk isn't the technology — it's deploying it without control. Three steps to start now: Audit current AI usage to learn which tools your team uses and what data flows into them. Establish AI governance and SOPs before the next tool goes live. Make vendor security due diligence standard, with security as the opening question. Is your DSO adopting AI faster than it can secure it? Get these fundamentals in place, and AI stops being a liability waiting to surface — and becomes the advantage it promised to be for your practice and your patients. Get the MAX Surgical Specialty Management Case Study: https://dso.pub/4v8OwfP

June 9, 202630 min

DSO Declassified 2026 Midyear DSO Event Discussion. What's New & What's Worth Attending

We are about halfway through 2026 already. In this DSO Declassified, Bill Neumann runs through what to expect at the upcoming ADSO Summit where GDN will host the Emerging Dental Groups to Watch awards. Bill also looks back at the events that have already happened this year and what the rest of year has instore for the DSO and dental group industry. Takeaways include: The Emerging Dental Groups to Watch awards at the ADSO The rise of the intimate, invite-only DSO events What to expect for the rest of the year To learn about all of the important DSO events in the industry make sure you visit: https://www.groupdentistrynow.com/events/list/

May 22, 202645 min

Building a 27-Year Partnership: How Pearl Street Dental Partners Preserves Private Practice Culture in Group Dentistry

The Co-Founders of Pearl Street Dental Partners, David Meese, CEO & Dr. Robby Jennings, Chief Clinical Officer discuss: Their 27-year partnership  Choosing culturally aligned partners Their deep strategic partnership with Ivoclar Much more To learn more about Pearl Street Dental Partners visit https://www.pearlstreetdentalpartners.com/ Thank you to Ivoclar for sponsoring this podcast. To learn more about Ivoclar Learning Pathways visit: https://dso.pub/4dD237R Subscribe to our channel for more episodes and stay updated on the latest DSO news, insights, and events! If you like our podcast, please give us a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review on iTunes https://apple.co/2Nejsfa and a Thumbs Up on YouTube.

May 20, 202626 min

The 2026 ADSO Summit & Emerging Dental Groups to Watch Awards

Andrew Smith, CEO of the Association of Dental Support Organizations rejoins the show to share: What to expect at the 15th annual ADSO Summit The Emerging Dental Groups to Watch awards & panel Updates on the ADSO's accomplishments this year DSOs and dental group practices can save 20% by using code DISC20GDNMEM. Visit https://dso.pub/ADSORegister26 The 15th annual ADSO Summit takes place in Chicago at the Hyatt Regency on June 15th - June 18th.

May 12, 202636 min

Revolutionizing the Dental Conference: The Smile Together Experience – Use Code GDN26 for an Additional $500 Benefit

Aaron Pugh & Scott Johnson from Together Media discuss Smile Together's unique hosted buyer event with one-to-one meetings & much more. The two share:  What makes Smile Together unique & what to expect Event details: October 1-3 in Las Vegas Special benefits for GDN's audience:  code GDN26 DSOs, emerging dental groups and solo practices can register at https://www.smiletogetherlive.com/ . Up to $600 flight reimbursement, up to 3 nights hotel covered, additional perks and if you use code GDN26 you receive and additional $500 benefit.  You can also connect with Scott Johnson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-johnson-54ba923/ or Aaron Pugh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaron-pugh-705b65/ .

May 5, 202639 min

Insider Information on the 2026 Dykema DSO Conference - Use Code GDN26 to Save $250

Brian Colao, Member & Director of the Dental Service Organizations for Dykema joins the show to share details about the 13th annual Dykema DSO Conference that you won't learn about anywhere else. Brian shares: The current state of the industry What to expect at the Dykema conference  Save $250 with code GDN26 Don't wait. Register now at https://dso.pub/Dykema26  The 2026 Dykema DSO conference takes place in Aurora, CO at the Denver Gaylord Rockies, July 15 - 17.

April 28, 202648 min

A CEO's Perspective on the Future of Dentistry. An in-depth interview with Paul Keel of Envista.

Paul Keel, CEO of Envista with his over 20 years of experience in the dental industry discusses: Digitization transforming dentistry The growth of DSOs and dental groups Despite short-term volatility dentistry remains strong To learn more about Envista visit: https://envistaco.com/en To learn more about Envista's portfolio visit: https://envistaco.com/en/businesses

April 26, 202635 min

Revolutionizing Orthodontic Diagnostics: How AI is Transforming DSO Workflows and Patient Outcomes

Danny Abraham, CEO & Founder of Orca Dental AI & CephX joins the show and discusses: AI revolutionizing ortho diagnostics & workflow AI will become standard of care in orthodontics ROI from efficiency, outcomes & legal protection To learn more about CephX visit: https://cephx.com/ To contact Danny you can email him here: danny@cephx.com

April 22, 202652 min

On the Road in MN with Park Dental Partners. Building a Doctor-Led Publicly Traded Dental Organization.

Pete Swenson, CEO, Dr. Alan Law, Chief Clinical Officer, Specialty & Dr. Christopher Steele, Chief Clinical Officer, General Practice share Park Dental Partners story. Key takeaways include: timeline: from two dentists to NASDAQ doctor ownership & governance long-term strategy  Make sure to watch the video podcast version of this episode. Where we visit several Park Dental practices and sit down for an interview in their resource group office.  To learn more visit https://parkdentalpartners.com/

April 21, 20261 hr 6 min

The Future of AI in Dentistry with OpenAI's CFO, The Smilist's President & SGA Dental Partners' CIO

In the special episode Jane Levy, CEO of PlanForward interviews Sarah Friar, CFO of OpenAI. Jane then joins Phil Toh, President of The Smilist & Ron Kerensky, CIO of SGA Dental Partners to discuss: The rapid evolution of AI in healthcare & dentistry HIPAA compliance and data security Job roles evolving vs. disappearing To learn more about PlanForward and their membership platform visit: https://www.planforward.io/ you can also email Jane Levy at jlevy@planforward.io To learn more about The Smilist visit: https://thesmilist.com/ or connect with Phil Toh at phil@thesmilist.com  To find out more about SGA Dental Partners visit: https://sgadental.com/ or reach out to Ron Kerensky at rkerensky@sgadental.com  To stay up to date on OpenAI visit: https://openai.com/ or you can follow Sarah Friar on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-friar/

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