Design Systems: Beyond The Button

Hosted by Michelle Chin and Nefertiti Dukes

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Aug 2024

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Wondering what’s involved in making a successful design system? So is Nef, the newest member of zeroheight’s marketing team. In this podcast, Nef is joined by one of zeroheight’s trustiest Design Advocates, Michelle Chin, to get their questions answered about everything related to the big world of design systems. If you’re eager to make the bestest design system ever, you’ve found the perfect place!

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August 8, 2024Episode 1058 min

Beyond the Button #10: How do design systems foster user trust?

This month, Michelle is joined by two new faces: Tim Legierse, one of the most tenured members of the zeroheight team, and Beau Ulrey, Sr. Design System Manager at U.S. Bank. This month’s discussion is about how design systems can foster user trust. Sure, a good set of reusable components can create a more consistent product. But what does that mean for users? According to the folks at U.S. Bank, a more consistent UI is a key driver for user trust and adoption, and they’ll tell us how.

July 4, 2024Episode 943 min

Beyond the Button #9: Where does user research fit into design systems?

As designers, we aim to be user-centered, but figuring out where to incorporate user research can be tricky. How do we add user research when there’s a demand for components ASAP? Is it weird to ask users how they would use a button? Join us as we explore how user research fits in with the evolution of your design system. We cover approaches for integrating user research in practical and appropriate ways to meet the demands of a design system.

June 5, 2024Episode 851 min

Beyond the Button #8: How do you even start documenting patterns?

You’ve created most or all your components, but now people are asking about patterns. In this episode, we break down the initial steps of documenting your patterns, which patterns to document first, and top tips when it comes to pattern documentation.

May 22, 2024Episode 753 min

Beyond the Button #7: How do we collaborate around a design system?

This time, we’re tackling how to collaborate on a design system. We’ll talk about the tools you should be using, who should be doing what, and how you can create a review and governance process that ensures your design system site is accurate and consistent.

March 15, 2024Episode 644 min

Beyond the Button #6: We’re measuring our design systems impact, right?

In this episode, we’re talking about something everyone seems to struggle with: measuring the impact of their design system. Should we be measuring how many visitors a design system site has? How often components are used? And, what qualitative measures are worth keeping an eye on?

February 20, 2024Episode 555 min

Beyond the Button #5: How are we supposed to be using design tokens, anyway?

In this episode, we discuss a hot topic: design tokens. We talk about when a design system should incorporate design tokens and when. We also explore best practices for creating and maintaining your design tokens, including Michelle’s hot topics on design token naming conventions.

February 5, 2024Episode 448 min

Beyond the Button #4: How involved should brand and marketing be in your design system?

In this episode, we jump into the intersection of design systems and branding. We uncover the secrets to striking the perfect balance, exploring what works seamlessly and what may hinder your design process. We explore integrating brand and marketing into your design system, discussing collaboration and coherence, and creating a visual language that works for product design and great user experiences.

January 10, 2024Episode 350 min

Beyond The Button #3: How can my team build a successful design system?

In this episode, we ask a tough, subjective question – how can your team build a successful design system? Believe it or not, the answer might be easier than you can imagine. Nef and Michelle uncover what success means and how that might apply to your team.

December 4, 2023Episode 246 min

Beyond The Button #2: Who uses a design system?

Developers and designers use design systems, right? They do, but do you know who else uses them? We’ll cover who else uses design systems, why understanding this matters, and how you can best help your design system users.

November 9, 2023Episode 141 min

Beyond The Button #1: What is a design system?

In the first episode, Nef and Michelle answered the most fundamental question, “What is a design system?” Is the answer easy and straightforward, or is this a trick question?