
"The National Debt Doesn't Care If You Vote Republican or Democrat" – Tyler Hassen, Author of "Inside DOGE"
Today we had the pleasure of hosting Tyler Hassen, CEO of Zone Frontier and author of the recently published book, Inside DOGE. Tyler spent 16 years in the oilfield services industry, serving in both CFO and CEO roles, before joining the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and serving as Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management and Budget at the U.S. Department of the Interior. His book offers a firsthand look at the inner workings of DOGE, the challenges of reducing government spending, and the opportunities to improve efficiency and accountability across federal agencies. We were delighted to host Tyler for a fascinating discussion about his experience inside government, lessons learned, and what meaningful government reform could look like going forward. In our conversation, Tyler shares his background in the oilfield services industry, his motivation for joining the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), and his concerns about the growing U.S. national debt. He discusses his experience transitioning from the private sector into government, working alongside Elon Musk and Secretary Doug Burgum, and bringing a business-oriented approach to federal spending. We explore the history of government efficiency initiatives, the importance of bipartisan cooperation, and the challenges of reducing spending while preserving essential government services. Tyler explains that while the Department of the Interior received approximately $18 billion in annual congressional appropriations, total spending was closer to $35 billion when accounting for additional funding programs. We discuss his efforts to review thousands of contracts and grants, identify unnecessary spending, and establish greater accountability across the department. We turn to the organizational inefficiencies, outdated technology, and opportunities to modernize government operations Tyler encountered. He shares examples of duplicative administrative functions, fragmented procurement practices, and disconnected technology systems. One striking example involved 19 separate permitting systems at the Department of the Interior, which Tyler says contributed to a backlog of more than 160,000 permits and average processing times of approximately four years. Tyler describes how DOGE engineers connected the systems within weeks, highlighting the potential for technology improvements to accelerate energy and infrastructure development. We explore opportunities to consolidate government services, evaluate underutilized federal land and real estate, and introduce more disciplined spending practices, including Tyler’s implementation of a $50,000 approval threshold for new contracts and grants. We discuss the public perception of DOGE, the challenges of communicating its objectives, and lessons learned from the initiative. Tyler reflects on the media scrutiny surrounding DOGE, Elon Musk’s leadership style and emphasis on urgency, and the importance of building public support for fiscal reform. We explore the potential for AI to identify waste and fraud, streamline government processes, and modernize outdated systems. Tyler shares his belief that government efficiency efforts should become a permanent, bipartisan initiative supported by talented individuals from the private sector. We conclude with his perspectives on what a future DOGE initiative could look like, the importance of attracting more talent into public service, and the need for greater awareness of the long-term implications of the national debt. We greatly appreciate Tyler joining us and sharing his insights. Mike Bradley opened the discussion by highlighting mixed market performance, with U.S. Treasury yields modestly lower, broader equity markets slightly higher, and oil prices declining. The benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury yield was trading at approximately 5.1%, down from 5.2% a week earlier, as investors focused on the upcoming October 28 Federal Open Market Committee meeting, where another rate hike is widely expected. Turning to energy commodity markets, WTI crude oil was trading at approximately $102 per barrel, down $2 on the day but up roughly $8 over the past week, supported by escalating geopolitical tensions in the Middle East and continued tightness in global refined product markets, particularly diesel. In broader equity markets, the S&P 500 was modestly higher on the day but remained lower for the week, weighed down by Technology sector weakness. The Nasdaq Composite and Magnificent 7 stocks declined roughly 4% over the past five trading days, while the SOX Semiconductor Index fell approximately 7%–8%. Investors have increasingly rotated toward more defensive sectors. Turning to energy equities, third-quarter earnings season was underway, with Halliburton and other Oilfield Services companies providing updates on North American frac, International, and Offshore markets. Investors were also focused on Valero Energy's upcoming results for insights into refining fundamentals, margin sustainability, and shareholder returns. In power markets, Utilities outperformed, while IPPs declined roughly 8% over the past week and many distributed generation and Small Modular Reactor companies fell by mid-teen percentages. Mike concluded by noting that Energy and Power earnings season will accelerate next week, with investor attention particularly focused on Integrated Oil Majors and U.S. Refiners. Veriten Senior Advisor Deborah Byers also joined and added her perspectives and questions throughout the conversation.










