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Cloud Wars analyzes the major cloud vendors from the perspective of business customers. In Cloud Wars Live, Bob Evans talks with both sides about these profoundly transformative technologies, and with monthly All-Star guests from across the business community about the trends impacting how the world lives, works, plays, and dreams. Visit https://cloudwars.com for more.

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June 16, 20265 min

'Larry Ellison Story Hour' Ends After 40-Year Run

In today's Cloud Wars Minute, I look at how Oracle's leadership transition reflects Larry Ellison's long-term succession plan. Highlights 00:05 — I wanted to mention here that after 40 years, the long-running show called Larry Ellison's Story Hour has ended. Now, I'm taking a little bit of license here. The Story Hour was the quarterly earnings call for Oracle, and it was 40 years ago that Oracle went public. 00:30 — While he would certainly talk occasionally about the numbers, the financial results, he used those occasions, those earnings calls, to tell the stories of what was going on not just within Oracle, but in the outside world, the direction in which technology was headed, where the business world was headed, and then where the technology was following. 01:15 — Larry Ellison did not make any opening remarks for the first time in 40 years. Last week on their Q4 earnings call, Ellison wasn't even on the call itself. The three executives handled everything. I believe they did a great job, so no disrespect toward them, but it's just kind of not going to be the same. 02:24 — In about two months, Larry Ellison is going to have his 82nd birthday. He has been building up to this moment for about the last 12 years. Larry Ellison, I think, clearly believes he does not need to be on these earnings calls anymore because the company is in great hands with its new CEOs. 04:10 — I am not trying to say that Larry Ellison is riding off into any sunset, but I do think it was just a momentous occasion here when he decided 40 years of the Larry Ellison Story Hour on these earnings calls is enough, and time for a new chapter. Larry Ellison has a lot of work in a lot of different areas, and clearly he is deeply focused on them. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 15, 20265 min

Oracle AI/Cloud Pipeline World's Largest, Topping Microsoft's

In today's Cloud Wars Minute, I compare Oracle, Microsoft, Google Cloud, and AWS through the lens of backlog growth and future demand. Highlights 00:02 — I talked last week a little bit about Oracle's Q4 results, very strong across the board. I wanted to go into a little more detail today about one number in particular: its RPO, remaining performance obligation. That's contracted business not yet recognized as revenue. 00:18 — Some people refer to it as RPO. It's also known as pipeline or backlog. But with what Oracle reported for Q4, its AI and cloud backlog, pipeline, or RPO is now the largest in the world: $638 billion. It's even bigger than Microsoft's. This reveals a lot about who's got momentum into the future. 01:02 — So, as I said, Oracle's RPO for the quarter ended May 31 was $638 billion, up 363%. A couple of months ago, when Microsoft reported its fiscal Q3 and calendar Q1 numbers for the period ended March 31, it reported RPO of $627 billion, up 99%. So, Oracle beats them slightly on total RPO, but look at the difference in the growth rate: 99% versus 363%. 02:20 — But when we flip the arrow of time from the recent past, which revenue reflects, into the future, that's where we see Oracle is just winning an outlandish share of the business going forward, even more than Microsoft. We're seeing more and more of that pipeline, or RPO, over time convert to revenue for both of these companies. 03:40 — These are multiplier effects, and again, my point here is about who's growing faster and who is moving into leadership positions going forward. Clearly, as Microsoft and AWS led the first chapter of the cloud, here in the AI chapter, the leaders jumping out in front, growing faster, and finding new ways of doing things are Oracle and Google Cloud. 04:12 — Speaking of AWS, how does it fit into this whole RPO tale of the tape? AWS refers to this as backlog, and in its most recent quarter, ended March 31, it said that its backlog was $364 billion, up 49%. For Google Cloud, its backlog is $462 billion, growing at 98%. So clearly, all three companies are outperforming AWS in this backlog/RPO space. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 12, 20265 min

SAP Autonomous Suite: Insights from Jan Gilg, Pres. for Customer Success

In today's Cloud Wars Minute, explore how SAP's Autonomous Suite could become the operating system for AI-powered enterprises Highlights 00:02 — The company that more than 50 years ago really started the whole enterprise applications business, SAP, last month at its big Sapphire event rolled out the latest, greatest, newest AI-powered version of their long-running ERP suite, but this time it's called the Autonomous Suite, so that's a huge change. 00:33 — I had a chance to sit down with Jan Gilg, who's Global President for Customer Success for the Americas at SAP headquarters and asked about a number of things that customers have the opportunity to move into with this newer, more fully integrated, more AI-powered Autonomous Suite. And I know there's been some risk that SAP took in selecting this name. 01:49 — Jan's been in SAP for about 15 years. He was on the development side for a long time, and he was leading, several years ago, the development of S/4HANA and that whole version of the suite. 02:36 — We talked about this issue of trust. Autonomous is right there in the name. It's one thing for different autonomous technologies to manage things. But, when you talk about the autonomous enterprise ... we got into the discussion of what SAP has to do to build up trust among its customers. 03:28 — What's the interplay between agentic AI and applications going in both directions? Oracle can now refer to its Fusion Applications as Agentic Applications. Is SAP doing everything it can to clarify in the minds of customers where applications end and agents begin, and the same thing in the other direction? Jan has some great thoughts on that. 04:12 — Everybody in the company, I guess, was running tokens 24 hours a day. So, Jan has some good thoughts on this. And then we talked about customer examples. Let's see, there was one from the retailer H&M, there was one from a manufacturing company, and we had some different ones in here that he brought up. But he really brought some good perspectives on that. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 12, 202620 min

SAP’s Jan Gilg Explains Why Trust Will Determine the Future of Enterprise AI

In this Cloud Wars Special report, Bob Evans speaks with Jan Gilg about how AI is reshaping enterprise software and why the next phase of innovation will depend on trust, governance, business outcomes, and clean data. Gilg explains how SAP is positioning its Autonomous Suite as a foundation for the autonomous enterprise, combining ERP, business processes, and AI agents. Trust Powers Enterprise AI The Big Themes: Autonomous Enterprise Vision: Jan Gilg said Sapphire generated strong enthusiasm because customers finally heard a clear vision for enterprise AI. Rather than focusing solely on AI models or isolated features, SAP presented an integrated strategy built around the Autonomous Suite and Business AI. While consumer AI has dramatically improved personal productivity, enterprise leaders need AI that can help make critical business decisions and automate end-to-end processes. SAP's message resonated because it connected AI directly to business execution, positioning enterprise systems as the foundation for autonomous operations rather than treating AI as a standalone technology layer. AI Economics Matter: Another major topic was the cost of AI. Gilg noted that enterprises are becoming increasingly focused on transparency, consumption, and measurable outcomes. As AI usage expands, costs can grow rapidly, creating new concerns for business leaders. Customers want detailed visibility into which agents are being used, how resources are consumed, and whether the resulting business value justifies the expense. Gilg compared this need for transparency to a detailed telephone bill. Data Quality Determines Success: The interview concluded with examples demonstrating that AI success depends heavily on modernized systems and clean data. Gilg spoke of initiatives involving retailers such as H&M, where AI can improve customer experiences, fulfillment, and revenue generation. He also referenced work with Bayer and discussed ExxonMobil’s modernization journey. These examples reinforced a key point: AI delivers the greatest value when built on standardized processes, strong master data, and simplified architectures. The Big Quote: “You have to lead with value. Yes, technology is exciting, but it does nothing if the customer doesn't see the outcome." More from Jan Gilg and SAP: Follow Jan Gilg on LinkedIn or learn more about Autonomous Suite. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 11, 20265 min

Oracle Crushes Q4, Led by RPO Surge to $638B, +363%

In today's Cloud Wars Minute, I dive into Oracle's remarkable Q4 earnings report, where the company delivered results that exceeded expectations across the board. Highlights 00:02 — We had a monster Q4 report from Oracle yesterday, absolutely crushed their numbers for Q4, led by an astonishing leap in their backlog or remaining performance obligation (RPO) of $638 billion, That's an increase of 363%. And no, those are not misprints. 00:29 — RPO represents business that's fully contracted, not yet recognized as revenue, so it's pipeline backlog, as opposed to revenue, which has already been posted for what has happened in the past. So I wanted to quickly pop out a couple highlights here that go along with that. Just remarkable RPO growth, cloud revenue overall was up 47% to 9.9 billion. 00:56 — Within that, cloud applications grew 10% to 4.1 billion, and the big star of the company, now their cloud infrastructure business was up 93% to $5.8 billion. One other number that Oracle put in its Q4 press release, that is pretty darn impressive, their multi-cloud AI database business, they said, was up 404% and they said that now makes this the fastest growing product in the company's history. 02:11 — Looking ahead a little bit, Oracle guided in Q1, they said their cloud business will grow between 57 and 63% so caught about 60% and that extends a long running streak of fast growing numbers there for Oracle's cloud revenue or cloud business. 02:33 — Oracle also said in its Q4 press release that it will be doing no more borrowing to fund its data center expansion throughout for calendar 2026, certainly possible for next year, but for this calendar year, no more borrowing. I think most people would yawn or overlook that fact. There have been a lot of folks on Wall Street, though as I've mentioned, that this has caused them fainting spells and pearl clutching, because they, nobody's done this before. 03:44 — Now, I don't know, I don't think there's a lot of companies that have run into that challenge before. It's a delightful challenge to have, but it is not something that you know a lot of companies can just, you know, reach into the petty cash box and say, you know, here's $100 billion $200 billion dollars to fund it. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 10, 20262 min

Workday Expands Enterprise AI Strategy with New Autonomous Agents

In today's Cloud Wars Minute, I analyze how Sana is helping Workday transform from a system of record into a system of action. Highlights 0:00 — Workday has announced two new agents: Sana for IT Service Management, or ITSM, and Sana Travel Agent. To recap, Workday acquired Sana at the end of 2025, and since then, the technology has evolved into Workday's employee AI layer, what the company describes as its "front door for work." 0:42 — Sana for ITSM automates workflows for tasks like employee onboarding, off-boarding, access changes, and standard IT requests, while the Sana Travel Agent helps employees plan work trips, book travel, and manage expenses. Both agents are built directly on Workday, meaning they have the same security and governance protocols by default, and tap into the bespoke contextual company data and policy information contained within the platform. 00:57 — Cloud Wars founder Bob Evans commented on the development in the official Workday press release: "Extending agents into adjacent workflows like onboarding, travel, and expenses, where Workday already has the people and finance data and policies, is not only practical but also a transformational way to help HR and finance leaders meet and exceed their objectives." 01:25 — Workday's acquisition of Sana was a pivotal moment in the company's recent history and accelerated its push in the enterprise AI era. The deal signaled a strategic evolution beyond Workday's traditional role as a system of record for HR and finance processes. 01:44 — At the same time, that deep system of record foundation is exactly what makes Sana's autonomous AI agents such a strong fit, because the agents can operate with rich context, permissions, policy, and workflow data already embedded within the platform. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 9, 20265 min

Oracle, Google Cloud Blaze New Trails to Fund $1 Trillion in Backlog

In today's Cloud Wars Minute, I analyze how a trillion dollars in cloud backlog is driving innovation beyond technology and into corporate finance. Highlights 00:03 — In the Cloud Wars, all sorts of crazy things are going on with the technology, what customers are doing with it, but also in how this whole remarkable time is being funded. I want to talk a little bit today about how Google Cloud and Oracle are choosing to fund this unprecedented market demand and why new possibilities require new ways of doing things. 01:25 — In Oracle's most recent quarter, it reported that its RPO, or Remaining Performance Obligation, similar to backlog, is over $550 billion. For Google Cloud, it had an amazing jump as well in its most recent quarter, ended March 31, $462 billion in backlog, almost double what it had been a year before that. So there's amazing demand, these two companies totaling a trillion dollars. 02:09 — Six months ago, Oracle reached out and said, “No, no, we're going to go to some outside funding, some borrowing, to do that.” But the market reacted with a panic. “Oh my God, nobody's ever done this.” And, you know, "What if they can't pay it back?” So there was a lot of skepticism about Oracle's plan six months ago. 02:58 — Now, a week ago, we see Alphabet step up and say, “Hey, we're going to do some equity financing. We're going to take $10 billion from Warren Buffett and some other places. We need this money. We think it's the best way to pursue funding our own data center expansions, our own CapEx needs, which will be somewhere between $185 and $190 billion.” Oracle's will probably be around $75 billion. 04:37 — Oracle and Google Cloud have risen to the top of the Cloud Wars Top 10 because they brought innovation at levels in technology and go-to-market, how they think about customers, deployment models, and so forth, that have really set the new standard for what's happening in the AI cloud business now. Seeking outside funding to meet this demand shows another way to do it. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 8, 202611 min

Velosio Acquires Domain Six to Accelerate AI and Industry Expertise

In this special report, John Siefert, CEO, Dynamic Communities and Cloud Wars, speaks with Robbie Morrison about Velocio's acquisition of Domain Six and what the move means for customers, partners, and the broader Microsoft ecosystem. Morrison explains how the acquisition expands Velocio's enterprise capabilities, vertical-industry expertise, and delivery capacity while strengthening its ability to help organizations modernize around cloud, data, and AI. Velocio Expands Expertise The Big Themes: Domain Six Expands Velocio's Reach: Velocio's acquisition of Domain Six represents more than a simple expansion of headcount. Robbie Morrison describes the acquisition as a strategic move that adds highly skilled consulting talent, enterprise delivery capabilities, and valuable intellectual property in specialized vertical markets. Domain Six brings expertise in areas such as rental businesses and professional services, allowing Velocio to broaden its market reach while deepening its industry-specific knowledge. Consulting is fundamentally a people-centric business, making the addition of experienced professionals especially valuable. Customers Gain Access to Broader Expertise: One of the biggest benefits of the acquisition is the expanded access customers receive to specialized talent and services. Morrison notes that existing Velocio customers will gain access to Domain Six's industry expertise, while Domain Six customers will benefit from Velocio's larger global team and deeper Microsoft platform knowledge. The combined organization can now offer expertise spanning Azure, Dynamics, Microsoft 365, Fabric, data platforms, and business applications. Governance Has Become a Competitive Advantage: Data governance is no longer just a security requirement. Morrison explains that governance, access controls, documentation, and process discipline have become business enablers. Proper governance ensures that the right employees can access the right information at the right time, allowing organizations to move faster and make better decisions. As AI systems increasingly depend on organizational data, governance frameworks become essential for both compliance and performance. The Big Quote: “Everything that we do is people-centric. We're a consulting business at heart, and a consulting business is built on the knowledge and the abilities of the people you bring in, so bringing in that great team at Domain Six was key." More from Velocio and Robbie Morrison: Connect with Robbie on LinkedIn, read the press release about the Domain 6 acquisition, or check out the Velocio website. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 8, 20265 min

Bill McDermott Aims 'AI-Native' ServiceNow at 5 Hypergrowth Markets

In today's Cloud Wars Minute, I look at how ServiceNow's AI strategy, open platform, and workflow data fabric are driving its next phase of growth. Highlights 00:02 — ServiceNow is off to a hot start, not only with its quarterly results, but also in how CEO Bill McDermott is framing where the company is right now and, in terms of that, how that new position, which he says is, "We're 100% AI native," is going to allow them to pursue five what he called hyper-growth markets for quite some time. 01:06 — Who is AI native, and who is just sort of glossing over, applying some AI lipstick to their traditional solutions and technologies? The term that ServiceNow uses to refer to that latter category is AI sidecars, where they say that's just a little AI glomming onto traditional technology, and that's becoming less appealing to customers. 02:34 — Among the highlights he pointed out to support the strength of the company, he said, "We've got a $28 billion RPO, remaining performance obligation, that grew 23.5% in Q1." In addition to that, he said, "We've got the most open enterprise platform." 03:14 — First, its core ITSM business. He said with the complexity that's going on in enterprises and the more reliance on data that's going to be taking place here in the AI era, we're going to see a 50x —not 50%, 50x — boom in the number of tickets that are being sent through for IT support. 04:12 — He talked about what's going on there with Moveworks and the changes that ServiceNow has made to that, and how that's going to simplify things and help bring down the anxiety some people have about AI. And finally, he said, "Our workflow data fabric," which helps pull all the data together, is so essential for what's going on now with AI. Visit Cloud Wars for more.

June 5, 20265 min

Workday Pumps New Agentic Capabilities into Extend Platform at DevCon

In today's Cloud Wars Minute, I discuss how Workday's Extend platform is helping developers build faster while maintaining governance and trust. Highlights 00:03 — Earlier this week, Workday held its DevCon conference in Las Vegas. It was the biggest DevCon that Workday has ever had. They had 8,000 attendees, and of course, these days, the star of the show was new agentic capabilities that, in this case, Workday is pumping into its Workday Extend platform. 00:53 — This Developer Agent is being added to a number of new capabilities within the Extend platform, and I listened to this whole roundtable discussion, and a number of things jumped out. I just want to share some of the reactions with you because they give a sense of what's going on here among developers in the early stages of the AI revolution. 01:58 — One person called it a real game-changer, this Developer Agent, and she said, "What used to take me days, I can now do in about one hour." Another person said that, with Workday ensuring that all the guardrails around security, trust, and governance are there, "I can build now without losing any sleep every night." 03:08 — This person said actually hiring for software engineers here in the AI era is way up. I think what came across in this roundtable that Workday held at DevCon was the optimism that these folks showed. We're not only surviving the changes brought by AI, we're going to have chances to do more than we ever have before. 04:12 — Here they see that now the work, the time, the effort, the energy, the brain muscle that they are putting into their work is going to result in better output, more impact on the business, more capability, because the technology through these agents is both taking care of lower-level work and ensuring governance, trust, and security are wired in. Check out this press release outlining the major introductions at DevCon. Visit Cloud Wars for more.