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Aug 2026

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Tune in to CLOC Talk every other week to discover thought leaders hailing from corporate law departments, law firms, legal technology enterprises, legal services firms, consulting services providers, and academia. You may just find the meaning of life.

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August 6, 202615 min

CGI 2026: Must Know Session: Spending in 2026: What Legal Operational Professionals Must Know

Recorded live at the CLOC Global Institute (CGI) 2026, this episode of CLOC Talk features Mark Ross of Deloitte in conversation with Ari Kaplan, Founder of Ari Kaplan Advisors, for a timely discussion on the forces reshaping legal operations. Together, they unpack the latest trends in legal operations spending for 2026, explore how in-house legal teams and law firms are adapting to the rapid rise of generative AI and evolving pricing pressures, and share practical insights for navigating today's changing legal landscape. Ari also reveals the skills that will define the next generation of legal operations leaders—from relentless curiosity and strong business acumen to the ability to clearly demonstrate measurable ROI—making this a must-listen episode for anyone looking to stay ahead of what's next.

July 23, 202622 min

CGI 2026: General Counsel Priorities of 2026

In this special CLOC Talk Live from CGI 2026 episode, host Jeremiah Kincannon sits down with Lucy Bassli, founder and CEO of InnoLaw Group and former in-house attorney at Microsoft and Snowflake, to discuss the top priorities for GCs in 2026, with a focus on AI adoption, governance, and the tension between mandating AI use and actually modeling it as a leader. The conversation covers practical strategies for legal ops teams to help GCs navigate AI implementation, change management, and the cultural shift required to treat AI less like a tool and more like a working resource. Tune in for actionable insights on leading AI adoption, driving meaningful change, and preparing your legal team for what's next.

July 9, 202625 min

Navigating the CLOC Compass Tool

In this special CLOC Talk Live from CGI 2026 episode, leaders from Neota Logic and the CLOC Maturity Committee pull back the curtain on the highly anticipated CLOC Compass , a powerful new tool designed to help legal operations professionals measure, benchmark, and accelerate their maturity journey. Hear the story behind a vision that began as a simple spreadsheet and evolved into an interactive platform that delivers personalized insights, actionable roadmaps, and a new way for legal ops teams to demonstrate value and drive strategic growth. Whether you're a legal ops team of one or leading a mature global function, this conversation offers an exciting look at how data, benchmarking, and AI-powered insights are shaping the future of legal operations.

June 25, 202632 min

The Human Operating System of Legal Ops

In this thought-provoking episode of CLOC Talk , Oyango Snell and Mark Dean explore the intersection of neuroscience, legal operations, and AI adoption. The conversation examines how lawyers are trained to seek certainty and minimize risk, why that mindset can create barriers to innovation, and how legal professionals can reframe experimentation as a path to growth and better outcomes. Listeners will gain practical insights into change management, technology adoption, professional responsibility, and the mindset shifts needed to thrive in an AI-enabled future. Thank you to our sponsor, Discernis AI Native Discovery.

June 11, 202624 min

Go Far, Go Together: The Power of Industry Partnerships

This episode of CLOC Talk Live from CGI 2026 features CLOC President & CEO Oyango Snell in conversation with Timo Karakashev , exploring the power of community, partnerships, and innovation in the legal industry. Together, they discuss how conferences like CGI create opportunities for connection, education, and business growth while expanding access to legal technology around the world. The conversation also examines the role of AI, the future of legal services, and why collaboration—not competition—is the key to building a stronger global legal ecosystem.

May 14, 202612 min

CGI 2026 Meditation #3: Feeling Tones

This wellness-focused podcast from the CLOC Global Institute 2026 guides listeners through a meditation practice centered on observing “feeling tones”—the positive, negative, or neutral emotions attached to thoughts. It emphasizes mindful awareness, encouraging participants to gently notice distractions, reconnect with their breath, and build self-awareness without judgment. Sponsored by Legal Fly , the session promotes mental clarity, presence, and gratitude as tools for overall wellbeing.

May 13, 202611 min

CGI 2026 Meditation #2: Visualization

This wellness podcast from the CLOC Global Institute 2026 guides listeners through a calming, sensory-based visualization meditation, inviting them to imagine a peaceful walk to the ocean. By engaging all five senses—sight, touch, sound, smell, and taste—the practice helps deepen relaxation, emotional awareness, and presence in the moment. Supported by Legal Fly , the session encourages listeners to reconnect with their breath, body, and inner calm before returning to their day.

April 27, 202611 min

CGI 2026 Meditation #1 Breathing

This wellness podcast from the CLOC Global Institute 2026 introduces a foundational breathwork meditation aligned with the theme “Stronger by Design,” emphasizing intentionality, presence, and the power of stillness. Listeners are guided to anchor their attention on the breath using a simple mantra, building awareness while gently releasing distractions without judgment. Supported by Legal Fly, the session encourages mindfulness, emotional check-ins, and a calm, focused return to the day.

April 23, 202628 min

The Business of Law with Kunoor Chopra

Host: Janessa Nelson Guest: Kunoor Chopra This episode of CLOC Talk features Janessa Nelson in conversation with Kunoor Chopra, exploring how legal departments can rethink the business of law through smarter use of technology, data, and global resources. The discussion highlights the shift from traditional, reactive legal models to more intentional, design-driven approaches that prioritize efficiency, scalability, and strategic impact. Chopra shares practical insights on right-sourcing work, leveraging alternative legal service providers, and integrating technology in ways that actually solve business problems—not just signal innovation. The conversation also emphasizes the human side of transformation, focusing on enabling legal professionals to spend more time on high-value work while reducing administrative burden. As Corporate Legal Operations Consortium Global Institute approaches, the episode leaves listeners with actionable guidance on where to start, how to build momentum, and why now is a pivotal moment for legal operations evolution.

April 2, 202628 min

Shaping the Future of Legal Ops Learning (Part 2)

In this episode of CLOC Talk, host Adam Becker sits down with Catrine Chevalier and Andrea Shaheen to explore how the Education Advisory Council (EAC) is redefining learning in legal operations. From building a global, collaborative learning ecosystem to navigating rapid innovation like GenAI, they share how education is becoming a strategic driver of credibility and career growth. The conversation dives into what modern legal ops professionals need most—practical skills, peer-driven insights, and the ability to think strategically in a constantly evolving landscape. If you're looking to stay ahead in legal ops, this episode offers a clear view of where learning—and the profession—is headed next.