Career & Leadership Real Talk

Hosted by Pamela Langan & Jacqui Jagger

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Welcome to Career & Leadership Real Talk; a weekly podcast full of guidance and advice for ambitious managers who are ready to take ownership of their career. It’s hosted by Pamela Langan, a job search coach and c.v. writing expert, and Jacqui Jagger, a mindset and leadership coach. We’re here for you if you want to have more impact, land a new job or get the promotion you know you deserve. There’s no high level, intellectual theory here – it’s a fluff-free zone We’ll be talking about how to stand out in your job search, how to hit the ground running in a new role and how to cope when things aren’t going *quite* the way you want at work In our career clinic section we’ll answer real questions from listeners and our clients, and we’ll also share our take on books on the topics of careers, leadership, & management so you can decide which are worth your time You can connect with us on LinkedIn – feel free to DM us with any questions you’d like us to answer on the show! https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangancoaching/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/

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October 19, 202636 min

Ep 174 - Communicate Like a Senior Leader The Habits That Make You Sound More Junior Than You Are

Have you ever been told you’re “not quite ready yet”, or that you need more gravitas, without anyone saying what that actually means? In this episode, we talk about the communication habits that can make capable, experienced people come across as more junior than they are. It’s feedback hardly anyone gives you directly, and it can quietly cost you promotions, job offers and a seat at the table. From our work with coaching clients and leadership teams, we share four patterns we see again and again, and why fixing them is often far simpler than people expect. We finish with three practical ways to make sure the way you communicate matches the level you’re working at. Key points from this episode Why being capable and visible isn’t the same as being seen as senior The interview habit that keeps experienced candidates getting pipped to the post How staying quiet to protect your reputation can end up damaging it What “looking up and out” means, and why communicating only for your own function keeps you small A simple structure that stops you saying too much or too little 00:00 Introduction: Why Communication Shapes How Senior You’re Perceived 01:00 The Feedback Nobody Gives You 03:25 Pattern One: Saying Too Much 07:05 Interview Answers That Miss the “So What” 08:55 Storytelling Without Going Round the Houses 13:25 Pattern Two: Saying Too Little 17:30 Is This the Right Meeting for You? 22:15 Pattern Three: Too Narrow a Lens 25:15 Looking Up and Out 27:30 Pattern Four: Not Reading Your Audience 29:55 Tailoring Presentations to the People You Need to Influence 31:25 Tip One: Ask for Specific Feedback 32:35 Tip Two: Prepare Rather Than Wing It 33:15 Tip Three: Bottom Line Up Front (BLUF) 34:30 How We Can Help and Close Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

October 5, 202625 min

Ep 173 - How to Create a Culture of Accountability

When leaders say they want their team to "take more accountability", it often lands as a hunt for whose head will roll. In this episode, we unpack why that version of accountability actually gets in the way of delivery, and what a genuine culture of accountability looks like instead: high standards, clear commitments and a team that surfaces problems early rather than hiding them. Drawing on our recent work facilitating leadership teams, we share the simple exercise that exposes how aligned (or not) a team really is on its priorities, Jacqui's honest reflection on her own head-down habit earlier in her career, and a practical feedback framework you can use in your next team meeting to build peer-to-peer accountability. Key points from this episode Why "whose head will roll" is the fastest way to undermine accountability The three-priorities question that leaves most leadership teams surprised Why your best performers might be the ones not flagging risks A simple feedback exercise that stops teams giving each other a get-out-of-jail-free card The balance of challenge and support that gets people delivering more Timestamps 00:00 Introduction: why we're talking about accountability 01:00 What accountability is and isn't 03:30 Why accountability starts before something goes wrong 04:00 The top three priorities exercise 07:30 Ranking priorities and understanding individual capacity 09:00 Surfacing risk early and the role of psychological safety 10:30 Jacqui's head-down habit and what it cost her 13:30 Moving from manager-led to peer-to-peer accountability 16:00 The AID feedback framework 18:45 Why you can't explain yourself, but you can ask questions 20:15 High challenge, high support 22:15 Recognition as part of accountability 23:30 Final thoughts Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

September 21, 202632 min

Ep 172 - Low Confidence at Work: The Four Things Killing Yours

Confidence, self-doubt and imposter syndrome are some of the topics you listen to most, and there's a reason we keep coming back to them. In this episode we step back from the individual stories and look at what's driving low confidence at work, because we'd argue it's usually a symptom rather than the problem itself. We walk through four things that quietly erode confidence, from an environment that strips it away to the odd lag that hits when your title changes but you don't feel any different. Most of us are dealing with two or three at once, and that's completely normal. We've also pulled together a playlist of five episodes from the back catalogue, so you can go deeper on the one that fits you best. Key points from this episode Why low confidence is often a symptom, and what it might be pointing to The many ways low confidence shows up, and why so many of us hide it Why you can't build confidence in an environment that strips it from you The identity gap: what happens when your title changes but you don't feel any different Why imposter syndrome so often arrives as a package deal with the others Go deeper: the confidence playlist Listen to the full playlist here Ep 27: Overcoming Self-Doubt: Practical Strategies for Building Confidence at Work Ep 67: The Difference Between Confidence and Self Belief Ep 90: 6 Confidence Myths that Hold Leaders Back Ep 110: Imposter Syndrome with Aoife O'Brien Ep 164: Imposter Syndrome: Why It Gets Worse as You Get More Senior 00:00 Introduction and How the Playlist Works 01:00 Why Low Confidence Is a Symptom, Not the Problem 02:00 How Low Confidence Shows Up 05:00 The Overthinking Cycle 06:00 When Caring What People Think Is Rational, and When It Drains You 08:00 Cause 1: Your Environment 14:30 Cause 2: Finding Something Difficult 18:00 Cause 3: The Identity Gap 23:00 Cause 4: Imposter Syndrome 29:00 Coaching and Imposter Syndrome 30:30 Why Most of Us Have Two or Three Stacked, and Wrap Up Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

September 7, 202632 min

Ep 171 - CV Positioning: How to Apply for Roles Above Your Current Title

We've both had this come up constantly in coaching conversations lately: talented people who are already operating above their job title, but who rule themselves out of applying for that next-level role because they haven't got the title (or the box-ticked experience) to "prove" it yet. In this episode, we break down exactly how to position yourself on paper and in interview when you're going for a role you haven't technically done before, and why waiting for permission is costing you opportunities right now. We cover the CV rewrite that actually gets you noticed, the one interview question you need to have properly rehearsed, and how to handle the gaps you're dreading being asked about, without sounding like you're making excuses. Key points from this episode Why staying in a role you've outgrown often feels safer than going for the promotion you actually want, and why that logic doesn't hold up The CV shift that stops you blending in with every other candidate (hint: it's not about listing more responsibilities) A simple framing technique you can use in your CV or cover letter to be upfront about the gap between your title and your actual level How to prepare for "tell me about yourself" so it doesn't derail your entire interview Why the energy you bring to an interview might matter more than how many boxes you tick Timestamps 00:00 Introduction: applying for roles above your current title or experience level 01:00 Why ambitious people stay stuck, waiting for the "right" experience before applying 04:00 Step one: positioning your CV to get picked for interview in the first place 06:00 Rewriting bullet points around scope and impact, not job description tasks 09:00 The "ready for" framing technique for your CV or cover letter 11:00 Why job titles mean less than you think, and what recruiters actually look for 14:00 Ignoring the "tough market" echo chamber and focusing on your own positioning 17:00 Interview prep: nailing the "tell me about yourself" question 21:00 Handling the gaps you're most worried about being asked 24:00 Finding leadership evidence outside your job title, including outside work entirely 25:00 Why energy and authenticity outweigh ticking every box at interview 29:00 Final advice: stop waiting for permission and start applying now Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

August 17, 202631 min

Ep 170 - How to Get Out of the Weeds and Think Strategically

In this episode, we're tackling a topic we know lands hard for so many of you: how to be strategic when your operational workload keeps dragging you back into the weeds. It's one we've covered from different angles before, but it kept coming up in client conversations, so we thought it was time to revisit it properly. Rather than focusing on time management tips you've probably already tried, we dig into why this is so often about habits and identity rather than a lack of hours in the day. We share five reasons this keeps happening, then three practical steps you can start using straight away to create genuine thinking space. Key points from this episode Why "just block out time in your diary" so rarely works, and what's really going on underneath The five hidden drivers keeping you stuck in the weeds, from the escalation loop to the relentless optimism trap Why being the person with all the answers might be quietly holding your career back A simple question to ask before you jump in and solve someone else's problem for them The three Ds framework for working out what you can stop being involved in 00:00 Introduction and why this topic keeps coming back 06:00 It's not just a practical problem, it's about habits and identity 07:00 Driver one: the escalation loop 12:00 Driver two: the addiction to being needed 14:00 Driver three: the expertise trap 17:00 Driver four: diary space isn't head space 19:00 Driver five: the relentless optimism trap 22:00 Acknowledging your part in it 23:00 What to do: catch yourself before you jump in 26:00 What to do: find the pattern, not the instance 28:00 What to do: the three Ds - ditch, delegate, design differently 30:00 Final thoughts and where to find the playlist Useful Links Strategic Thinking Episodes Playlist Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

August 3, 202632 min

Ep 169 - Preparing for Promotion Conversations

You're doing brilliant work, you know you could probably do your boss's job, and you're still waiting for someone to notice. Sound familiar? In this episode, we unpack why performing well and waiting for the tap on the shoulder rarely gets you promoted, and what to do instead. We talk through the very British discomfort with "shouting about yourself," why recognition for your current role doesn't automatically translate into being seen as ready for the next one, and how to have promotion conversations that feel like advocacy rather than an ultimatum. We share a real client example of how raising the conversation months in advance completely changed the outcome, plus practical advice on timing, who to actually speak to, and how to reframe a knockback into a clear, strategic next move. Key points from this episode Why being a "reliable pair of hands" can quietly work against your chances of promotion The very British instinct that's stopping you asking for what you want Why your manager praising your work doesn't mean they see you at the next level A real client story of how starting the conversation early changed everything Who you should actually be having this conversation with (hint: it's not always who you think) Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and why this topic matters 01:00 Why performing well isn't a promotion strategy 06:00 The British discomfort with self-promotion 09:00 Why being noticed doesn't mean being seen as ready 12:00 A client's story: raising the conversation months ahead 17:00 Why timing beats waiting for the annual appraisal 19:00 Choosing who to have the conversation with 21:00 Reminding people of your impact 29:00 Turning a "no" into a clear next move Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

July 20, 202642 min

Ep 168 - DISC Personality Types: Building Confidence When Working with Different Styles

Ever felt like a colleague or your boss was speaking a completely different language, even though you're both talking about the same thing? This week we're joined by Gayle Tong, confidence coach and DISC practitioner, to unpack why working with different personality types can quietly chip away at your confidence at work, and what to actually do about it. We get into what DISC really measures (it's not personality, whatever the name suggests), why the value isn't in the report itself but in the conversation that follows it, and how understanding your own style, and other people's, can turn "why don't they just get it?" into genuinely better working relationships. Key points from this episode Why psychometric tools like DISC measure behaviour, not personality, and why that distinction matters more than you'd think The DISC styles explained in plain English, plus what each one looks like on a good day versus a bad one Why some of the most common workplace friction comes down to two particular styles clashing, and what to do about it The real cost of being told to "just be more confident" without specifics A simple team exercise that surfaces things colleagues have never known about each other, even after years of working together 00:00 Introduction: welcoming guest Gayle Tong 01:00 Gayle's background in confidence coaching and DISC 02:00 Why working with different personality types affects confidence 03:00 How this shows up with Gayle's coaching clients 04:00 DISC explained: behaviour, not personality 06:00 The four DISC styles: D, I, S and C 09:00 Why report feedback works best through discussion 10:00 What happens when you don't recognise yourself in your profile 13:00 Starting with self-awareness before anything else 14:00 The strengths and challenges of each style, good day versus bad day 18:00 Which styles clash, and which connect naturally 21:00 A real example: adapting communication style by email 26:00 Team exercise: the 'My DISC Profile' activity 33:00 When you feel pressure to be more like a 'D' style 35:00 Having the honest conversation about how you work best 37:00 Why "just be more confident" isn't useful feedback from managers 40:00 How to find and work with Gayle Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Connect with Gayle Website: https://www.enrichmentcoaching.co.uk/ LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/gayletong Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

July 6, 202625 min

Ep 167 - Influencing Without Authority

Ever felt unheard when trying to get buy-in from someone who doesn't report to you, or from a boss who just isn't responding to your usual approach? In this episode, we unpack influencing without authority: why it's such a common challenge in matrix organisations and cross-functional roles, and what actually works when you can't simply pull rank to get people on board. We explore the difference between personal power and position power, why doubling down on what isn't working rarely gets you anywhere, and share practical, actionable ways to build the kind of influence that lasts. Key points from this episode Why influencing without authority comes up so often, and why nobody ever really teaches us how to do it The crucial difference between personal power and position power, and what happens when you've only built one of the two How to spot the early signs that your usual approach isn't landing, and what to do instead Practical tools for building buy-in: getting curious, aligning with other people's priorities, and pre-socialising your ideas Why listening might be the single most underused skill when it comes to getting people on side 00:00 Introduction: why influencing without authority matters 03:00 What makes influencing feel so hard 06:00 Personal power versus position power 13:00 A simple first step: noticing frustration and getting curious 16:00 Aligning your priorities with theirs 18:00 Pre-socialising ideas and mapping the informal power structure 21:00 Listening: the most underused leadership skill 23:00 Final thoughts and how to get support Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

June 22, 202623 min

Ep 166 - Career Planning: Why the Plan in Your Head Isn't Working

Career planning is one of those things most of us know we should do and keep putting off. In this episode, we explore why it feels so much harder than it should be, and why the version most people have in their heads doesn't actually count as a plan. Pam shares the simple, one-page approach she uses with her clients that takes an hour (or 10 minutes a day across a week) and turns vague ambition into something you can actually act on. If you've ever thought "I'll do that when things settle down" or "I wouldn't even know what to put in a career plan," this one's for you. Access Pam's Career Plan on a Page resource to work through it after listening Key points from this episode Why keeping your career plan in your head is costing you opportunities, even if you think you've got it figured out The biggest misconception that stops ambitious people from starting: it doesn't have to be a big formal exercise Why good career planning starts with looking back, not forward, and what that unlocks How a career plan becomes a compass when you're in a role you're not loving or you're wondering "is this it?" What Pam's Career Plan on a Page actually contains, and how to use it to keep moving forward 00:00 Introduction and why career planning keeps getting put off 01:00 The problem with keeping your plan in your head 03:00 What stops ambitious people from committing it to paper 05:00 The clarity gap: not knowing what to even put in a plan 06:30 Where to start: reflection before direction 08:00 Looking back to move forward, and what the career mapping exercise reveals 11:00 Using your plan as a compass when things feel hard 12:00 When a career plan leads somewhere unexpected: client stories 14:00 Pam walks through the Career Plan on a Page process 19:00 What the completed plan looks like and how to keep it live 21:00 Final thoughts: treating it as an experiment, not a commitment Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

June 8, 202628 min

Ep 165 - Underselling Yourself Communication Habits That Can Stall Your Career

In this episode, we explore a pattern Jacqui sees regularly in her coaching practice — capable, high-performing professionals who are inadvertently stalling their own careers by the way they talk about their work. Using a real client story (shared anonymously), we unpack what underselling looks like in practice, why it happens, and what you can do differently. If you've ever described something you achieved and immediately wondered why it didn't land the way you hoped, this one's for you. Key points from this episode Why competence alone won't get you to director level — and what needs to change in how you communicate your contribution The visibility paradox: how the people doing the most impressive work are often the least visible How deep-seated discomfort with self-promotion shows up in the language you use every day The difference between describing what happened and articulating what you made happen A simple practical exercise to reframe how you talk about your work, and where to use it 00:00 Introduction and the client story behind this episode 01:00 The pattern: capable professionals who let their contribution go unnoticed 05:00 The visibility paradox and why senior leaders need to be seen, not just effective 10:00 Why "selling yourself" creates resistance — and a more useful way to think about it 13:00 The cost of invisibility: a real example from a Deloitte partnership decision 19:00 Comfort zones, default behaviours, and what's really driving the pattern 21:00 Tara Mohr's Playing Big and the language habits that keep people small 23:00 Active versus passive framing — and why it matters beyond the interview room 25:00 The practical exercise: write two versions and find the opportunity to use one Useful Links Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/ Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/ Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice Interested in working with us? Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website