Better Advertising with BTR Media

Hosted by Destaney Wishon and Justin Nuckols

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Oct 2026

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Better Advertising with BTR Media is a podcast for Amazon sellers & the ecommerce community to share strategies to optimize & scale online brands with Amazon PPC, Amazon DSP, Walmart Connect, Instacart, Target & more. Your hosts, Justin Nuckols & Destaney Wishon, talk with other advertisers, online sellers, & brands dominating their categories on Amazon.

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October 20, 202628 min

How MANN+HUMMEL Builds Trust on TikTok

Jonathan Alsop started in e-commerce selling products out of a boutique home and garden store in Charlotte and ended up managing 15,000 SKUs for Rack Room Shoes before jumping to one of the most technically complex catalog challenges in the industry at MANN+HUMMEL, home to Purolator, Wix Filters, and some of the most loyal automotive customers on the planet. In this episode he and Destaney get into how to balance a highly loyal legacy audience with new customer acquisition, why building confidence in a DIY customer is completely different from selling a shoe, and how mini how-to videos shot in his own driveway are becoming one of the most effective tools in the catalog. They also get into AI, Alexa shopping, blinker fluid jokes, and why a single TikTok can now create a million dollar product while some legacy companies are still running on antiquated data systems. Connect with Jonathan on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathandalsop/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

October 13, 202624 min

What Vital Proteins Gets Right About Influence

Mike Sommers has spent his career building brands that show up in culture in ways that actually stick. From spending eight years reaching endurance athletes at the point of sweat for Nuun, to activating at the US Open for Vital Proteins six weeks after signing the contract, he has figured out something most brand marketers are still trying to solve. You do not have to reach everyone to build a brand that everyone knows. In this episode he and Destaney get into why lighthouse brands aim narrow to reach wide, why follower count no longer equals influence, and why 99% of brands have zero permission to show up authentically on Reddit no matter how hard they try. Connect with Mike on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-sommers/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

October 6, 202624 min

How Sourmilk Built a Yogurt Brand Worth Talking About

Elan Halpern did not set out to start a yogurt company. She set out to fix her gut. What started as making small batches at home turned into 50 customer interviews, yogurt drops with personal phone numbers handed out at the door, and eventually a Midwest launch into 70 Fresh Thyme stores less than a year after hitting their first grocery shelf. She joined Destaney to talk about building iteratively, meeting your audience where they already are, and why building in public has been one of the single greatest marketing strategies Sour Milk has taken on. Connect with Elan on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elan-halpern/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

September 29, 202620 min

You Are Reading the Wrong Scorecard

David Khoshpasand has spent years at Hasbro figuring out why retail media keeps getting blamed for things that are not its fault. The answer almost always comes back to the same problem. Brands are using the wrong scorecard. In this episode he and Destaney get into why total OPS is a terrible way to measure retail media effectiveness, why a high ROAS and a low ROI can exist at the exact same time, and why one competitor going viral overnight can tank your organic share in ways that have nothing to do with your ads. Connect with David on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dkmarketing/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

September 22, 202625 min

AI Is the New Word of Mouth

Christian Campisi taught himself Amazon advertising by sitting in on US account calls while doing his accounting job at Pink Stork. Two years later he was launching the brand into 4,600 Walmart stores. He recently joined Wedderspoon, the leading Manuka honey brand, to do it all over again. In this episode he and Destaney get into why brands that start with the tool instead of the problem almost always get it wrong, why lifetime value and acquisition cost are the only two north star metrics that really matter for CPG brands, and why sometimes every KPI says one thing and your gut says the other and your gut wins. Connect with Christian on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christian-campisi10/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

September 15, 202628 min

How Soom Foods Built a Brand Before Anyone Knew What Tahini Was

Amy Zitelman co-founded Soom Foods in 2013 with no branding experience, no marketing budget, and a product most Americans had never heard of. She built the brand by selling to chefs, showing up at farmer's markets, and collecting feedback for eight years before she felt ready to scale to consumer channels. She joined Destaney to talk about the flywheel effect between food service and Amazon, why if you cannot find the attribution there is none, and what the pivot from tahini jars to dressings is teaching them about listening to your customer. Connect with Amy on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-zitelman/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

September 8, 202620 min

What AI Gets Wrong About Your Catalog

Nick and Destaney get into how to think about budget allocation across a catalog when every SKU has a different role, why a one dollar ROAS on a specific product might actually be the right call, and why brands that are still optimizing purely for ACOS and ROAS are falling behind without even realizing it. They also get into why giving AI just spend and ROAS data without the right context is one of the most dangerous things a brand can do right now, how time to conversion data should be changing how you think about day parting, and why the digital shelf is not that different from a physical retail shelf when you think about where the traffic actually goes. Connect with Nick on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/n-amos/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

September 1, 202627 min

Stop Chasing Viral. Start Building Real.

Cullen Gilchrist has spent 15 years watching food and beverage brands succeed and fail. As CEO of First Run, he has seen enough companies light money on fire chasing growth, distribution, and viral moments to know exactly where the pattern breaks down every single time. In this episode Cullen and Destaney get into why scaling never fixes a margin problem, why repeat purchases are the only metric that actually tells you if your product is working, and why the fundamentals of building a great brand really have not changed in a hundred years. AI, TikTok shop, and D2C have just added more ways to ignore them. If you are building a CPG brand or advising one, this one is worth your time.

August 25, 202623 min

The Context Problem: Why Most Brands Are Using AI Wrong

Dustin Wassner is BTR Media's VP of Technology and one of the most genuinely knowledgeable people in the space when it comes to the actual infrastructure behind retail media advertising. He is also the person Destaney calls when something sounds easy and needs someone to figure out if it actually is. In this episode they get into why MCPs are everywhere right now and what they actually do, why connecting every tool you own to your AI context window is slowing you down, and why the onboarding process is quietly one of the most important things an agency can get right in an AI-driven world. One of the more honest inside looks at how a retail media agency is actually building with AI right now. Connect with Dustin on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dustin-wassner/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

August 18, 202630 min

3 Roles, 100 Brands, Here's What She Learned

Cherene Aubert went from agency operator to VP of Growth at Bobby to head of digital at Ilia Beauty, and then left her dream job to start Growth Capital. In this episode she breaks down the pattern recognition that comes from seeing a hundred plus brands up close, how to think about media budget distribution at every stage of growth, and why copying someone else's channel strategy is one of the most expensive mistakes a brand can make. Connect with Cherene on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chereneetemadi/ Connect with Destaney on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/destaney-wishon/

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