Season 4: Episode 8 - The Sly and Mighty: How Toxic Leadership Can Contribute to Burnout with Kathleen Saxton
What happens when certainty is mistaken for capability, charm disguises harm, and everybody around a difficult leader is waiting for somebody else to speak? Psychotherapist, executive coach and former C-suite headhunter Kathleen Saxton returns to Burnout to Brilliance to explore the psychology of toxic power and the workplace conditions that allow it to flourish. Building on recent conversations about narcissism, trauma and the Dark Triad, Jayne and Kathleen consider why particular traits can be rewarded in leadership, why people may feel unable to leave damaging environments, and how prolonged exposure to control, unpredictability and self-doubt can contribute to burnout. In this episode, we explore… The Dark Triad of narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy, and how these traits may overlap in leadership Why confidence, decisiveness and charisma can be mistaken for competence The “charm before the storm” and our need for safety, direction and belonging Why leaving a harmful workplace is not always simple How silence, bystanderism and self-doubt can allow damaging patterns to continue Why whistleblowers can become scapegoated and the importance of safe allies How sustained threat and relational unpredictability can affect the nervous system and contribute to burnout Practical routes towards greater agency, including documenting patterns, maintaining boundaries and seeking support Kathleen’s approach of “love and rockets”, combining care with courage, preparation, evidence and a clear outcome A key theme running through the conversation is the impact of silence. When nobody else acknowledges troubling behaviour, we can begin to question our own perception. Alongside workload, this can create an invisible demand of monitoring, anticipating, documenting and second-guessing that becomes profoundly depleting over time. Jayne and Kathleen explore what individuals, colleagues and organisations can do to recognise these dynamics and begin creating change. About Kathleen Saxton Kathleen Saxton is a psychotherapist, speaker and author whose work brings together psychological insight and extensive corporate experience. Before qualifying as a psychotherapist, she built a successful career in media, held senior board positions and founded a C-suite headhunting business. She is the author of My Parent the Peacock: Discovery and Recovery from Narcissistic Parenting and Sly and Mighty: How to Recognize, Resist and Rise Above Toxic Power . Resources & concepts mentioned Sly and Mighty: How to Recognize, Resist and Rise Above Toxic Power – Kathleen Saxton My Parent the Peacock: Discovery and Recovery from Narcissistic Parenting – Kathleen Saxton The Dark Triad: narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy The bystander effect Attachment theory and the work of John Bowlby The physiological sigh and other nervous-system regulation practices Related podcast episodes S4E7 – The Dark Triad and Burnout with Dannielle Haig S4E6 – ACEs and Burnout with Linda Lewis S4E5 – Burnout, Trauma and the Nervous System with Dr Susanna Petche S4E4 – Narcissism and Burnout with Kathleen Saxton About Jayne Morris Jayne Morris MCC is the UK’s leading Executive Burnout Coach, founder of Balanceology and author of Burnout to Brilliance: Strategies for Sustainable Success . She helps individuals and organisations prevent and recover from burnout through evidence-informed coaching, integrative art psychotherapy and somatic approaches. Links Kathleen Saxton & Psyched Ventures: https://psychedventures.com/ Sly and Mighty – book information: https://psychedventures.com/publications/ Jayne Morris: https://www.jaynemorris.com/ Balanceology: https://www.balanceology.uk/ Connect Kathleen Saxton on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathleensaxton/ Jayne Morris on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynemorrismcc/ Listen on Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube Connect with Jayne Morris MCC The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon Follow Balanceology LinkedIn: @Balanceology Website: www.balanceology.uk About Balanceology Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive. The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs








