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Apprenticeship 2.0

Apprenticeship 2.0

Hosted by Reach University

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93

Latest episode

Oct 2026

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About the show

What if the future of college isn't a campus—but the workplace? What if your job wasn't something you did instead of earning a degree, but where you earned it? Apprenticeship 2.0 explores the people, programs, and ideas challenging how America learns, works, and prepares for the future. Hosted by Reach University President and co-founder, Joe E. Ross, and Provost and Chief Academic Officer, Dr. Anastasia Wickham, the show brings together the educators, employers, policymakers, workforce leaders, apprentices, and innovators on the front lines of the apprenticeship movement. We look beyond the buzzwords to ask what's actually working—and what needs to change. How do you build an apprenticeship that can scale? Can work count toward a college degree? Who should pay for it? What can policymakers do to expand access? And as AI transforms the workplace, could apprenticeship offer a new way to prepare people for jobs that don't yet exist? Twice a month, Apprenticeship 2.0 brings you candid conversations about the policies, experiments, successes, failures, and emerging ideas shaping the future of work-based learning. If you're building the next generation of workforce programs, rethinking higher education, shaping public policy—or just trying to understand where work and learning are headed—this is the conversation you need to be part of. Apprenticeship 2.0 is produced by Reach University.

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October 13, 202644 min

Can the Liberal Arts Save Higher Ed in the Age of AI?

What happens to higher education when the skills universities have traditionally taught—numeracy, literacy, and analysis—can increasingly be performed by machines? In this episode, Joe E. Ross talks with Ben Wildavsky, senior advisor to the Harvard Project on Workforce and author of the forthcoming Know How: The Global Rise of Hands-On Higher Education, and Pano Kanelos, founding partner of The Athos Group, former president of St. John's College and senior fellow at the Civitas Institute at the University of Texas at Austin. They explore an increasingly important question for higher education: How can colleges prepare people for work without losing sight of the broader purpose of education? Ben makes the case for a "both/and" approach—combining broad, durable skills with targeted career skills and the social capital students need to navigate the workplace. Pano argues that AI may fundamentally change what universities are for, shifting their focus away from skills that machines can increasingly perform and toward questions of meaning, purpose, judgment, and what it means to be human. In this episode: Why higher education could become smaller, shorter, and more focused Whether college degrees are actually losing their value—or whether the evidence tells a different story Why a liberal arts education could become more important, not less, in an AI-driven economy How apprenticeship and work-embedded learning can bring theory and practice together More resources: The new core curriculum at the University of Texas at Austin: https://catalog.utexas.edu/general-information/academic-policies-and-procedures/core-curriculum/ More about Ben and his forthcoming book: https://pw.hks.harvard.edu/post/ben-wildavsky-team-profile Music by PaulYudin from Pixabay .

September 29, 2026Episode 7645 min

Apprenticeship Degrees Are Gaining Ground. What Will It Take to Scale?

A few years ago, the idea of combining a college degree with a paid apprenticeship was still unfamiliar—and, in some corners of higher education and government, viewed as something that didn't even exist in the United States. Today, Apprenticeship Degrees are gaining recognition and adoption across states, employers, higher education, and government. So what comes next? In this episode, the two co-founders of Apprenticeship Degrees (and the technology that drives them) come back together for an intimate and honest discussion exploring the state of the field, the challenges at hand, and what comes next. Host Joe E. Ross is joined by Reach University co-founder Dr. Mallory Dwinal-Palish, now president of Craft Education, to talk about the ways the Apprenticeship Degree field has evolved—and what still stands in the way of taking it to scale. They challenge some conventional assumptions about what's holding Apprenticeship Degrees back. Are accreditors really the obstacle? Does expanding apprenticeship require entirely new curricula? And why might the biggest opportunities lie instead in the less glamorous work of controlling costs, braiding public funding, redesigning systems, and giving academic credit for work? Mallory also makes the case that many of the field's biggest constraints are solvable—but only if higher education and workforce leaders rethink how they approach funding, mentorship, data, and employer partnerships. Check out the CAEP playbook Building and Scaling Teacher Apprenticeships: https://www.crafteducation.com/webinars-downloads/building-scaling-teacher-apprenticeships This is a second part of an ongoing conversation on the podcast. Be sure to check out our previous conversation with Mallory here: https://reach.edu/blog/apprenticeship-2.0-the-origin-future-of-u.s.-apprenticeship-degrees-in-higher-education Music by PaulYudin from Pixabay .

September 3, 20261 hr 56 min

ICAD 2026: Insights From Oxford – Part Two

In this episode of Apprenticeship 2.0, guest host Dr. Anastasia Wickham, Provost and Chief Academic Officer at Reach University, leads interviews with leaders at the 2026 convening of the International Center for the Apprenticeship Degree at the University of Oxford. Guests include Taikein Cooper, President and CEO of the Richmond Ed Fund; Dr. Graeme Atherton, Associate Pro-Vice Chancellor for Regional Engagement at the University of West London, Vice Principal of Ruskin College, Oxford, and the Director of the World Access to Higher Education Network (WAHEN); Dr. Gavin Lind, CEO of the Australian Mining and Automative Skills Alliance; Josh Davies, Founder and CEO of The Non-Prophets; Iyioluwa Adesan , Founder of Apprentis; and Samantha Dickey, Assistant Commissioner for Postsecondary Policy at the Missouri Department of Higher Education and Workforce Development. Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay .

August 24, 20261 hr 0 min

ICAD 2026: Insights From Oxford – Part One

In this episode of Apprenticeship 2.0, guest host Dr. Anastasia Wickham, Provost and Chief Academic Officer at Reach University, leads interviews with leaders at the 2026 convening of the International Center for the Apprenticeship Degree at the University of Oxford. Guests include Scott Cheney , CEO of Credential Engine ; Colleen Connolly , Freelance Journalist and Contributor to Work Shift ; Dr. Lisa McIntyre-Hite, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer at the Competency-Based Education Network (C-BEN); and Claire Viall, Vice President of Public Policy, Postsecondary Education, and Finance, at Strada Education Foundation. Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay .

August 17, 2026Episode 7545 min

Building on an Innovative Workforce Strategy in Rural Colorado

In this episode, Joe chats with Mark Gregory, CTE Coordinator at Colorado River BOCES, and Jeff Barratt, President and CEO of Associated General Contractors of Colorado. Together, they discuss rural workforce development in western Colorado, workforce challenges in rural communities and apprenticeship as a local talent strategy, skilled trades career pathways, employer-led apprenticeship and training partnerships, how the Opportunity Now grant has helped to bolster career opportunities in rural Colorado, Project SCALE and construction talent pipeline development, apprenticeship pathway expansion in Colorado, and much more. Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay .

August 3, 2026Episode 7447 min

ICAD 2026 Preview: Moving the Apprenticeship Degree Forward Through Partnership

In this episode, Joe chats with Dr. Holly Smith, Executive Director and Vice President of Apprenticeship Degree Design at the National Center for the Apprenticeship Degree, and Matthew McKenney, President and CEO of JobForward . Together, they discuss the partnership between NCAD and JobForward , why the partnership makes sense and why now is the right time for it, reflections from the I nternational C onvening for the A pprenticeship D egree (ICAD) 2025 and what to look forward to at ICAD 20 26 , how listeners can work with NCAD and JobForward in the future, and much more . Read Inside Higher Ed 's "The A pprenticeship Wish List" at https://www.insidehighered.com/news/tech-innovation/alternative-credentials/2026/06/29/apprenticeship-wish-list . Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay .

July 20, 2026Episode 7331 min

Crafting an Innovative and Expansive Workforce Strategy in Colorado

In this episode, Joe chats with Eve Lieberman, Executive Director of the Colorado Office of Economic Development and International Trade, and Andrew Sutliff, Apprentice at CoorsTek . Together, they discuss t he role of economic development initiatives in strengthening Colorado's workforce; Colorado's Opportunity Now initiative and investment in apprenticeships, higher education, and skills-based learning; innovative workforce initiatives that connect learners with in-demand careers; expanding apprenticeship opportunities across urban and rural communities; Andrew' s experience earning while learning in advanced manufacturing; the future of apprenticeship and work-based pathways to high-demand careers in Colorado; and much more. Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay .

July 13, 2026Episode 7237 min

Building Stronger Foundations for Skilled Trades Careers in Arizona

In this episode, Joe chats with Sidney Hawkins, Director of Apprenticeship at the Arizona Builders Alliance (ABA), and Drake Williams, Apprentice for Delta Diversified Enterprises . Together, they discuss a pprenticeship in Arizona and the ABA's workforce mission; the role of apprenticeship in addressing labor shortages; building high-quality apprenticeship programs and expanding career pathways; changing perceptions of the skilled trades and engaging the next generation; Drake's journey through work-based learning and career development; the future of apprenticeship and opportunities to combine education with paid hands-on experience; and much more. Learn more about the ABA's apprenticeship programs at www.azbuilders.org/apprenticeships . Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay .

June 29, 2026Episode 7149 min

Inside North Carolina's Apprenticeship Ecosystem

In this episode, Joe chats with Analisa Archer, Senior Director of Policy at EducationNC ; Caroline Sullivan, Executive Director of the North Carolina Business Committee for Education; and Dr. Chris Harrington, Director of ApprenticeshipNC , North Carolina's State Apprenticeship Agency . Together, they discuss North Carolina's rise as an apprenticeship leader, the growth of apprenticeship programs across the state, youth apprenticeship and high school pathways, expanding apprenticeship into new industries and sectors in the state, how other states could replicate North Carolina's model, apprenticeship funding and sustainability, employer engagement in North Carolina apprenticeship, the role of community colleges in supporting apprenticeship growth , and much more. Read Analisa's recent article, "Apprenticeships are on the rise in North Carolina. Will that growth continue?" at www.ednc.org/apprenticeships-are-on-the-rise-in-north-carolina-will-that-growth-continue . Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay .

June 15, 2026Episode 7040 min

A Teacher Apprenticeship Pathway and the Partnerships Behind It

In this episode, Joe and guest co-host Dr. Anastasia Wickham, Provost and Chief Academic Officer at Reach University, chat with Kristi Kirschner, Board President of edwell ; Tamika Bartley, Success Coach Coordinator, Registered Apprenticeship Program, Sheldon Independent School District in Texas; and Alexandra Perez, Student at Reach University and AVID Tutor Manager transitioning into the role of Teacher Resident at Null Middle School, 6th Grade Reading and Writing, in Sheldon ISD . Together, they discuss what motivated Sheldon ISD to invest in a teacher apprenticeship pathway as part of its long-term workforce strategy , how the district has grown its teacher apprenticeship program with help from edwell , overcoming barriers to successful apprenticeship program implementation in the district, what the program has meant for t eacher development and effectiveness in the district, what inspired Alexandra to pursue a teacher apprenticeship pathway through Reach, how her experience is shaping her career as an educator in Sheldon ISD, and much more. Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay .

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