The ChurchGear Podcast

Hosted by Toby Walters [Church Tech Advocate]

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Aug 2026

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Are you a church tech director? If so, this podcast exists to serve you specifically. Each week we pull the tech director out of the booth and place them onto the stage to share their most outlandish stories and hidden wisdom from the tech trenches. Hosted by Toby Walters and Blake Hodges.

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September 7, 2026Episode 23651 min

Touring with Petra, 12Stone's Culture & Stop Copying Everyone [Ronny Cates]

What is it like to transition from playing arenas with a legendary Christian rock band to running Sunday morning production for a massive multi-site congregation? In this incredible episode, we are joined by Ronny Cates, former bassist for the iconic band Petra and current production leader at 12Stone Church. Ronny shares amazing behind-the-scenes stories of what Petra's massive concerts and touring gear looked like in their prime, and tackles the heavy debate of whether or not modern Christian music has officially stalled out. In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: The Live Event "Blue Dot" Trend 4:45 Ronny Cates (12Stone Church / Petra) Joins 9:20 How Ronny Ended Up in the Legendary Rock Band Petra 13:00 Behind the Scenes: Petra Concerts & Touring Gear 16:00 The Big Debate: Has Christian Music Stalled Out? 22:00 Stop Copying Other Churches' Audio Mixes 28:30 Mixing for Your Congregation (Not Your Personal Preference) 37:00 Transitioning from Arena Tours to Church Tech 40:00 Inside the Production Culture at 12Stone Church 41:30 Church Tech Disaster: Double Checks and Backups 45:00 Keep Sundays Running Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

August 31, 2026Episode 23552 min

Worship in the Round & Production for 3,000 People [Debbie Uecker-Keough]

How do you manage the massive logistical nightmare of running production for a 3,000-seat auditorium? And more importantly, how do you pull off a center-stage "Worship in the Round" setup without completely ruining your audio and lighting? In this episode, we are joined by Debbie Uecker-Keough from Water of Life Church to talk about high-level church production at scale. We chat about the gear challenges and visual challenges of designing a service "in the round," and debate whether it is actually crazy to buy permanent AVL gear for those types of center-stage setups. In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: Toby’s Iron Gut 6:25 Debbie Uecker-Keough (Water of Life Church) Joins 8:00 Debbie’s Start in Church Production 10:40 The Unique Challenges of a 3,000-Seat Auditorium 13:00 The Logistics of Doing "Worship in the Round" 17:45 Is It Crazy to Buy Permanent Gear for In-the-Round Setups? 20:30 Training Church Tech Volunteers at Scale 26:45 Gear Talk: Is Debbie on AVID’s Payroll? 33:30 Navigating Church Production as a Female Leader 35:45 Church Tech Disaster: LED Wall Dilemmas & Planning to Fail 46:00 Keep Sundays Running Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

August 24, 2026Episode 23454 min

Fixing Communication Breakdowns & Debriefing Without Finger-Pointing [ServiceCrew Pt3]

What happens when a simple lack of communication leads to a complete Sunday service meltdown? And more importantly, how do you fix it before it happens again? In this episode, we sit down with Marc Millan, an experienced executive pastor and ministry leader, to tackle the vital role of communication between church leadership and the tech booth. We break down the early warning signs of a communication breakdown and establish exactly who should be responsible for managing the Sunday service flow. Link to ServiceCrew resources. In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: Marc Millan’s Background & Ministry Journey 4:45 When a Communication Breakdown Causes a Sunday Meltdown 12:00 Early Warning Signs of a Tech Team Communication Failure 20:00 Key Sunday Service Details You Must Know Ahead of Time 22:45 Who Is Actually Responsible for the Sunday Service Flow? 27:30 How to Debrief a Sunday Failure Without Finger-Pointing 34:15 Is It Possible to Communicate Too Far in Advance? Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

August 17, 2026Episode 23355 min

From Wall Street to Exec Pastor: Budgeting & Tech Lifecycles [ServiceCrew Pt.2]

How do you actually get your Executive Pastor to say "Yes" to new church tech gear? And on the flip side, what does your leadership team wish you understood about the church's finances? In this highly practical episode, we are joined by Pete Rodriguez, who shares his incredible journey of leaving his career during the Wall Street financial crisis to becoming an Executive Pastor. Pete brings his high-level financial expertise into the church tech world, breaking down exactly how to weigh a "want" versus a "need" when planning your AVL budget. ServiceCrew Resources Link In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: Pete Rodriguez Joins the Podcast! 1:00 From the Wall Street Financial Crisis to Executive Pastor 8:45 Budgeting: Weighing a "Want" vs. a "Need" in Church Tech 11:45 Knowing When Your Church Should Actually Spend Money 17:00 How to Pitch the Tech Gear Lifecycle to Your Executive Pastor 21:30 Is It Time for a Budget Band-Aid or a Full Upgrade? 26:00 Strategy: How to Stagger Your Gear Replacement Costs 37:30 The Instant "Yes" and "No" for Church Tech Purchases 44:00 Advice Pete Would Give to His Past Self as an XP 45:00 What Every Executive Pastor Wishes Their Tech Director Knew 47:00 What Every Tech Director Wishes Their XP Knew Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

August 10, 2026Episode 23253 min

Don't Let Your Knowledge Base Literally Walk Out [ServiceCrew Pt1]

Get your ServiceCrew resources here ! What happens to your Sunday service when your most critical technical volunteer gets sick, goes on vacation, or moves away? If your church production relies entirely on one or two people, you are one person away from a total disaster. In this episode, we tackle the danger of having a "single point of failure" in your tech booth. We break down the crucial importance of cross-training your church tech volunteers so that your audio, video, and lighting positions are never dependent on just one person. In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: Meet Our Guest & Guest Host 7:00 What Happens When Your Lead Techs Miss a Sunday? 14:00 The Crucial Importance of Cross-Training Volunteers 22:00 Documentation: Building a Church Tech Knowledge Base 33:00 Is Building a Massive Volunteer Bench Actually Realistic? 40:40 How to Communicate Your Need for Volunteers to Leadership 43:30 The Danger of Depending on Just One Tech Volunteer Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

August 3, 2026Episode 23147 min

How Many Errors Are Your Tech Volunteers Allowed to Make? [David Leuschner]

How do you define "excellence" in a church tech ministry? And when a volunteer consistently falls short of that standard, how do you actually "fire" them and find a new ministry that better suits them? In this episode, we are joined by church production veteran David Leuschner to tackle the hardest leadership conversations in ministry. We discuss the biblical definition of excellence, debate whether there should be different standards for the on-stage worship team versus the behind-the-scenes production techs, and answer the uncomfortable question: how many errors are your volunteers actually allowed to make? In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: The HouseRight Event & Toby’s Lack of Taste 4:30 David Leuschner (Digital Great Commission Ministries) Joins 8:15 Defining True "Excellence" in Church Production 14:45 How to Train Your Volunteers for Excellence 21:00 The Debate: On-Stage vs. Behind-the-Scenes Volunteer Standards 26:00 What Does the Bible Actually Say About Excellence? 28:45 The Budget Debate: Is It Okay to Spend a Fortune on AVL Gear? 30:30 Grace vs. Standard: How Many Errors Are Volunteers Allowed? 35:00 The Hardest Conversation: How to Fire a Tech Volunteer 41:45 Keep Sundays Running: Focus on Transitions Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

July 27, 2026Episode 2301 hr 11 min

Identifying Burnout & Celebrities on the Team [Shaun Miller]

What is it actually like to run Sunday morning production when global superstar Carrie Underwood is on your worship team? And more importantly, how do you sustain the intense pace of church tech without completely burning out? In this episode, we are joined by Shaun Miller of Rolling Hills Church (Franklin, TN). After Toby recaps his recent trip to an L-Acoustics event, Shaun shares his experiences balancing a healthy marriage with the chaotic touring lifestyle. We then dive into the unique culture at Rolling Hills, breaking down their specific church tech setup and what it is like to mix a service with a celebrity on the stage. In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: Toby’s Trip to the L-Acoustics Event 6:40 Shaun Miller (Rolling Hills Church) Joins 11:15 Balancing Marriage and the Touring Lifestyle 19:00 What It's Like Having Carrie Underwood on Your Worship Team 22:15 Behind the Scenes: The Rolling Hills Tech Setup 29:00 Avoiding Burnout: How to Identify It Before It’s Too Late 47:45 Did Shaun Actually Like Toby’s Book? 58:00 Tech Disaster Story: "I Swear We Sent You the Videos!" Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

July 20, 2026Episode 22951 min

Inside Sight & Sound Theatres: Disappearing LED Walls & Monitor Setups [Tim Zeager]

How do you manage the audio and production logistics for a massive, Broadway-level biblical stage production? And how exactly do you engineer a giant LED wall to completely disappear in under 15 seconds? In this episode, we are joined by Tim Zeager to get an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at Sight & Sound Theatres(Branson, MO). In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: Toby Discovers Theater in Branson, Missouri 5:15 Tim Zeager (Sight & Sound Theatres) Joins 10:45 The Story Behind Sight & Sound Ministries 21:45 Behind the Scenes: The Monitor Setup at Sight & Sound 25:00 Engineering: Making a Massive LED Wall Disappear in 15 Seconds 29:00 Gear Talk: The PA System Powering Sight & Sound 35:45 Lessons From Tim’s Time in the Studio 39:00 Live Production Disaster: Mixing From the Basement 43:00 Keep Sundays Running: Preparation is Key Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

July 13, 2026Episode 22853 min

Can Non-Christians Serve in Tech? + The LED Wall Debate [Dave Bookhout]

In this episode, we are joined by Dave Bookhout from Grace Family Church to tackle some of the biggest debates in church tech. We dive deep into the culture of the tech booth, discussing how to actively recruit church tech volunteers and answering the tough question of who should actually be allowed to serve on Sunday mornings. In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro: Toby Claims God Tricked Him 4:30 Dave Bookhout (Grace Family Church) Joins 14:15 The Debate: Can Non-Christians Serve on the Tech Team? 23:15 Strategies for Recruiting Church Tech Volunteers 30:45 Gear Talk: Production Setup at Grace Family Church 33:45 Current Church Production Tech Trends to Watch 39:30 Should Your Church Actually Buy an LED Wall? 42:45 Church Tech Disaster: "Are You on Fire, or Am I?" 47:00 Keep Sundays Running Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!

July 6, 2026Episode 2281 hr 6 min

Navigating Church Hurt & Knowing When to Quit [Stephen Brewster]

What exactly is "Church Hurt," and how do you heal when the very place meant to provide spiritual safety becomes the source of your deepest pain? In this heavy but incredibly necessary episode, we are joined by creative leader Stephen Brewster. After kicking things off by discussing his journey in helping local churches write and produce their own original music, the conversation shifts to the painful reality of serving in ministry. Stephen opens up about his own personal experiences with church hurt and explains why we might need to reframe the conversation from "the church hurt me" to "broken people hurt me." In this episode you'll hear: 0:00 Intro Antics 5:30 Stephen Brewster: Helping Churches Release Original Music 13:30 Defining "Church Hurt" in Modern Ministry 25:00 Stephen’s Personal Story of Church Hurt 33:00 Reframing the Pain: "Church Hurt" vs. "People Hurt Me" 41:00 Why You Still Need to Go Back to Church 54:00 How to Be a Solution to Toxic Church Culture 57:00 Thinking of Quitting Ministry? Start Here. Take our survey here and you'll get the full report emailed to you December 4th! Connect with HouseRight on your next integration project here . Check out jobs at HouseRight here . Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here . Resources for your Church Tech Ministry Sell Us Gear: Does your church have used gear that you need to convert into new ministry dollars? We can make you an offer here. Buy Our Gear: Do you need some production gear but lack the budget to buy new gear? You can shop our gear store here . Connect with us: Sales Bulletin : Get better deals than the public and get them earlier too here ! Early Service: Get our best gear before it goes live on our site here . Instagram: Hangout with us on the gram here ! Reviews: Leaving us a review on the podcast player you're listening to us on really helps the show. If you enjoyed this episode, you can say thank you with a review!